Do Not Vote For Legalization Or You Are Stupid

Dragline

Dragline

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Dragline said:
Im still in the process of reading this thread. So forgive me if this has been discussed already. We already know if legalized the price in California will drop. But what do you think its effects will be on what will still be a black market in other states? If big corporations start producing product, what do you see its impact possibly in other states where that corporate product is smuggled to.
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anyone? anyone?
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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Dragline said:
anyone? anyone?
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I'll take it, Drag.

I enjoy discussing subjects on which we agree.
Dragline said:
Im still in the process of reading this thread. So forgive me if this has been discussed already. We already know if legalized the price in California will drop.
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Hopefully, this will be the case. But when MMJ came about, prices did not abate. Anyone in California, please correct me if I am wrong. Although this may not be relevant because MMJ was not full re-legalization.

Like the end of Alcohol Prohibition, the embedded Federal taxes almost made up for the artificial inflation imposed by Prohibition. Over half the price of a bottle of liquor is embedded taxes.

Re-legalization proponents in California are justifying re-legalization as a revenue-generating measure. Meaning they will impose heavy taxes on commercial producers.
Dragline said:
But what do you think its effects will be on what will still be a black market in other states?
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Interesting question. If commercial producers have to pay a tax to produce, it would do them little good to smuggle already-taxed product across state lines to be sold on the black market elsewhere.

I would venture to guess that the impact would be on private producers who wish to make money (bootleggers), who do not pay the commercial tax (tax evaders) and sell their product. Much like the Black Market operates now. This will be the case inside or outside of California.
Dragline said:
If big corporations start producing product, what do you see its impact possibly in other states where that corporate product is smuggled to.
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The corporate impact will be muted by the heavy embedded taxes. The wild card will be the outlaw growers (bootleggers). That is who the state revenue agents will go after with a vengeance. And rightly so.

With legitimacy comes responsibility.
 
akgrown

akgrown

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If we vote to legalize then all the shady dealers will have to get real jobs, like the rest of america, thus stimulating the economy even more. I will revere the day that i get to sit out on my front porch smoking a j w/o worrying about someone calling the cops. Think of how much more peaceful it will be. Not to mention since everyone will be getting stoned, who's going to want to drive anywhere reducing our need for foreign oil. And just think if it gets legalized i am buying a bunch of stock in Hostees, Doritos, and Ben and Jerry's.
 
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willworkforweed

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Resinator420 said:
If they were to legilize marijuana in the US ( that is were im talking about) The government would be creating a new REGULATED market. This means that you would be able to go to the gas station, or coffea shop or whatever and buy pot like beer. WHO CAN COMPETE WITH PERFECTLY ROLLD UP DOOBYS OF THE BEST SHIT???? CAN YOU???...... didnt thiknk so.....anyways back on track.

Right now about 80% of the cash earned by businesses in the US from retail sales comes from money that came from marijuana in one way or another. legilize it and about 90% of that money would dissapear meaning stores would close down, go out of business, people would go into debt, CHAOS.

Marijuana creates one of the biggest unregulated markets in the country with some 55MILLION people involved including people liek me and you. In a sense marijuana feuls america everyday. what do marijuana dealers do with the money they make???? THEY BUY SHIT, RANDOM SHIT CARS, BOATS, HOUSES, STOCKS, INVESTMENT, AND EVERYDAY THINGS FOOD, CLOTHS, GAS, HEALTH CARE PRODUCTS!! take this money, or market away from america and I think 60% of businesses would SIVEARLY suffer or all together shutdown. Alot of people would go crazy.

Decriminalization is a drastically different approach. If it were ever to happen, then think about it "all the users of your site could continue what they do everyday" the US continues to flourish like it does today except on average 185,000 people every year would be spared from jail, and we would save enough money from not having to house, feed, and jail these "criminals" (pot smokers, sellers) to bring our country out of this recession. Not to mention the millions we would save every year going after "weed criminals"

There would be millions and billions of dollars to spair for our coutry to use for valuable resources such as healthcare, military, and police for the REAL DRUGS cocaine, heroin, ect.

SO VOTE FOR DECRIMINALIZATION
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1. What proof do you have that 80% of all retail sales come from marijuana profits? That simply is not true.

2. So we should keep it illegal to stop market competition? That's crazy. Our laws are not meant to favor certain people or certain businesses. Keeping something illegal just so some people can monopolize an industry is wrong.

3. Businesses would not shut down. It would only stimulate our economy. Stores would open up to start selling marijuana.

4. It seems like you just want it to be kept illegal so dealers can charge high prices. You're saying that we should punish innocent people just so weed dealers can keep their prices high?
 
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Fenster Karton

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Why does the united states government have a patent on marijuana?

On the one hand, United States federal government officials have consistently denied that marijuana has any medical benefits. On the other, the government actually holds patents for the medical use of the plant.
Just check out US Patent 6630507 titled "Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants" which is assigned to The United States of America, as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services.
The patent claims that "Cannabinoids have been found to have antioxidant properties, unrelated to NMDA receptor antagonism. This new found property makes cannabinoids useful in the treatment and prophylaxis of wide variety of oxidation associated diseases, such as ischemic, age-related, inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. The cannabinoids are found to have particular application as neuroprotectants, for example in limiting neurological damage following ischemic insults, such as stroke and trauma, or in the treatment of neurodegenerative diseases.
 
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sm0keyrich510

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willworkforweed said:
1. What proof do you have that 80% of all retail sales come from marijuana profits? That simply is not true.

2. So we should keep it illegal to stop market competition? That's crazy. Our laws are not meant to favor certain people or certain businesses. Keeping something illegal just so some people can monopolize an industry is wrong.

3. Businesses would not shut down. It would only stimulate our economy. Stores would open up to start selling marijuana.

4. It seems like you just want it to be kept illegal so dealers can charge high prices. You're saying that we should punish innocent people just so weed dealers can keep their prices high?
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i might not agree with what the op originally stated but i am against legalizing marijuana (for other reasons)...mainly that the state/government will fuck us.

i noticed in your 4th point you state that with it illegal dealers can charge high prices and really cash in...

but look at it this way....

its either the growers make the $ or the state/government/big business will.

so who would you rather pay?

i personally would rather the grower make the $ than give it to guys who live so high off the hog already and could give a fuck less about marijuana or the people who use it.

the government/state will tax the living shit out of weed. you wont see an ounce for $300 (or in that neighborhood) ever again...

a gram will go from $20 to $30 or higher (guaranteed).

dont believe me? look at cigs or alcohol.

same idea. all these new propositions come around every two years and from time to time you'll see one to increase the tax on alcohol or cigs...so cigs for from being $1.20 a pack to up to $10 (if you live in NY).

where do you think that extra 8-9 bucks goes to? thats right...taxes and fees etc.

i think marijuana is expensive enough already. lets not make a dumb decision and become the governments new cash crop.

its always been the cash crop of the people and thats how it should stay.
 
Johnnyorganic

Johnnyorganic

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sm0keyrich510 said:
i might not agree with what the op originally stated but i am against legalizing marijuana (for other reasons)...mainly that the state/government will fuck us.
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If you don't think they are fucking us now... well, I just don't know what to say.
sm0keyrich510 said:
i noticed in your 4th point you state that with it illegal dealers can charge high prices and really cash in...

but look at it this way....

its either the growers make the $ or the state/government/big business will.

so who would you rather pay?
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Between criminals and non-criminals? I would rather pay the non-criminals.
sm0keyrich510 said:
i personally would rather the grower make the $ than give it to guys who live so high off the hog already and could give a fuck less about marijuana or the people who use it.
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Better to give your money to the criminal cartels. They have your best interests at heart. :-P
sm0keyrich510 said:
the government/state will tax the living shit out of weed. you wont see an ounce for $300 (or in that neighborhood) ever again...

a gram will go from $20 to $30 or higher (guaranteed).

dont believe me? look at cigs or alcohol.

same idea. all these new propositions come around every two years and from time to time you'll see one to increase the tax on alcohol or cigs...so cigs for from being $1.20 a pack to up to $10 (if you live in NY).

where do you think that extra 8-9 bucks goes to? thats right...taxes and fees etc.

i think marijuana is expensive enough already. lets not make a dumb decision and become the governments new cash crop.

its always been the cash crop of the people and thats how it should stay.
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Cannabis is already artificially inflated due to Prohibition. Any taxes imposed would merely replace the Prohibition-related costs. Just like alcohol.
 
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sm0keyrich510

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Johnnyorganic said:
If you don't think they are fucking us now... well, I just don't know what to say.

Between criminals and non-criminals? I would rather pay the non-criminals.

Better to give your money to the criminal cartels. They have your best interests at heart. :-P

Cannabis is already artificially inflated due to Prohibition. Any taxes imposed would merely replace the Prohibition-related costs. Just like alcohol.
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well were definitely getting fucked now but i believe we'll get fucked worse by the government. i really do. every time there is a tax needed they will pawn it off on marijuana.

why?

because more in the u.s. DONT use marijuana (and could care less what it costs) than the people who do use/grow it. and thats the facts. so think about future prop measures and such asking to tax marijuana...it will be an easy way to pass it on. and im sure the state/government will think of really awesome fees to slap on it on top of it.

im not saying criminals and criminal cartels. thats a bit different. im talking about the growers with prop 215 cards that you can go to on craigslist and buy their product who are straight up-front people.

i met a guy on craigslist who i got some tree off of...he's a pretty good guy...once i paid $40 for an 8th...the other $50 (more top shelf shit) but he always gave me 1.5 grams extra every time...i'd rather see this guy get the $ than some fat bastards who dont need any more $.

i know their are criminals out there...i dont think they should profit...just like i dont think the state should either.


they been the ones fucking all of us for so long (fines, jail time, etc) now they see there is more money involved for them if they legalize it...so thats why its really THEIR best interest at heart. thats also why cigs will never be completely banned...because they make too much damn $ off it.

yes the taxes would replace the cost since its illegal now...however it will replace them to START...by the time they are done taxing the hell out of it the black market price of today will be considered "cheap" to future generations.

like my prime example...cigs cost $1.20 a pack to make (roughly) they go for $5+ a pack all the way up to $10....they go for $50+ a carton (here).

thats highway robbery.

im sure cig smokers would rather get something similar to a prop 215 card if they could buy cigs for just half of what they go for now.

the state/government has your interests at heart as much as a drug cartel does...

i say keep this to the people.

filter out the criminals involved in this and let the good people make their $...
 
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420ezah420

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I will be there in november along with at least 10-15 of my family members and will will all be voting yes on legalization, I can care less about all of you bud dealers who get rich off of charging custees the price of gold for bud. All of you dealers can go bankrupt and lose all of your material posessions for all I care, Actualy I would be ecstatic to see that.
 
ford442

ford442

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i wouldn't go so far as to condemn growers at large - i want to see everyone in the pot business who wants to keep going with it in the legitimate market go ahead! if you can't make the switch over then maybe you are in over your head relying on the black market and you will take a hit.. not all of your possessions though - that has happened too much already..!
 
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SwungChris

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420ezah420 said:
I will be there in november along with at least 10-15 of my family members and will will all be voting yes on legalization, I can care less about all of you bud dealers who get rich off of charging custees the price of gold for bud. All of you dealers can go bankrupt and lose all of your material posessions for all I care, Actualy I would be ecstatic to see that.
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I totally agree with you. I don't give a rats ass about all the drug dealers making money the easy way. Hopefully when this bill passes those assholes will be screwed. I believe people who don't grow should be able to get it from someone, but they shouldn't have to get raped in the process. Vote to legalize and I promise you wont regret it!
:weed:
 
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Smotz

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I'm one of the growers who stands to lose out on alot of money, and a very luxurious lifestyle which I have become accustomed to, if legalization ever happens here. If it does happen, I may have to go out a find an actual *GASP* Job! I know, nothing is more horrible than having to pawn your life away, while living paycheck to paycheck, to make someone else rich. :cry:

Still, I'm not a greedy person, and I know that this is part of the counterculture movement, and a necessary step that needs to happen. Because it really is the right thing to do. I support it 100% regardless of what may happen to me or my profits. At least then we stoners can all toke freely and openly without fear of retribution from the law.

Till that glorious day comes to pass, Smoke on. bongsmilie :peace:
 
MrStickyScissors

MrStickyScissors

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Wordz said:
you're so so so so so so wrong about that stat. I say vote to legalize maybe 80% of your money comes from pot but I still gotta work to make ends meet . if I go to jail them I'll be fucked so yes you need to vote to legalize if you got the chance just to keep me out of jail:bigjoint:
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For some reason your profile picture with the watermelon is hella funny. Is that a black man trap? lolll
 
Mile High Medicine Man

Mile High Medicine Man

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This is odd. Ususally fear-mongering comes from the other side of this issue. The fact is, those pre-rolled packaged fatties at the gas stations certainly won't be anywhere near 'the best'. They'll be commercially grown schwag; inorganic, premature and genetically inferior to real good buds. Secondly, legalization will open up the market for people that aren't willing to go to prison for this plant. Thirdly, the economics of it will still balance out; people that legally sell weed still buy things, but now they'll be able to buy real investments without fear of government confiscation. Just smoke a bowl and relax, man, legalization will cure that paranoia.
-Mile High Medicine Man
 
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