Do You Believe In Ghosts?
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guy incognito
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On an unrelated note I finished season 1 of breaking bad last night. I now understand your name and avatar. Good show.
Heisenberg
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Haha, but did you understand my reference to Bosco?!?
karri0n
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What?!
HOW DID YOU KNOW MY PIN NUMBER?!
edit: also, Breaking Bad is really the only television show I ever recommend to people. It's definitely the best dramatic show I've ever watched. I wish they would stop this whole skipping a year between seasons thing though.
edit2:
Bobbypyn seems to think that all skateboarders become some sort of ascended transcendal being tasked with keeping the afterlife "clean" when they pass on....
Sounds legit.
mouthmeetsoap
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OPERATOR: "911, what's your emergency?"
Guy:"Um... yeah, I need to report a terroristic threat."
OPERATOR: "Ok, sir. What was the nature of this threat?"
Guy: "This dude online said he was gonna sic his ghost friends on me and mess up my computer."
OPERATOR: *click*
GMAFB!!!!!
do you really not see the dichotomy here? in order to be offended by my "threats" you will have to give credence to my ability to follow through on them. otherwise, I should be as offensive to you as a homeless person saying he's going to nuke DC. I should in fact appear as pathetic, but you see it as sinister. we are making progress with you, Werner.
Just want to make it clear that I was under the impression you had REAL friends with hacking capabilities. Haha. Wow.
PeacefulKid1992
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if u want to c some ghost or demons. u can check online if ur city or state has real haunted places. go check em out when nobody is there. at night or after 12 or 3-4 pm when spirits n ghost n etc are most active.
Heisenberg
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This is only according to one theory of quantum mechanics, and this particular theory has no more support than other theories which do not make this assumption. In QM, an 'observer' does not have to posses a consciousness, it is simply anything which causes the system to decohere. It can be a robot or something as simple as a white screen. Even if we did conclude that conscious observation changes the observed on a quantum level, there is nothing suggesting this applies to a macro system such as psychology. Of course, we know of many things that effect psychological study, such as observation bias, but that lies within the observing consciousness and does not necessarily change the nature of the observed, nor does it require quantum theory as a mechanism.
To conclude that observation changes the nature of the things we detect with our natural senses requires much more than quantum theory.
GoldenGanja13
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Ba hum bug. Last night I woke up in the middle of the night and went into the bathroom to p. Then I heard my tv come on ( it makes a loud Ruuump noise when first comes on)So I yell into the living room at my 6 year old and ask her what is she doing? She yells back from her bed "what, what, I'm playing". Now I am like ???? My daughter is still in bed alseep. I am so tired I did not investigate, I just went back to bed. Woke up in the am and the tv was not on, but I heard the big Ruuump noise ?
GoldenGanja13
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How about Orbs ? Anyone?
euthanatos93420
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Right. It DEFINATELY wasn't your half-dreaming semi-lucid hallucinations of a distinct sound you have heard thousands of times. BOO!
guy incognito posted a nice one.
GoldenGanja13
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Heisenberg
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Wow guys, do you ever consider other explanations for things? Do you go looking only for evidence and theories which support your presumptions?
Hypnagogia is the name given for the transitional state between waking and sleeping. It is well documented that during this state the brain is more susceptible to hallucinations, particularly audio, and that cognitive functions are impaired. This can also lead to sleep paralysis, something your body does to keep from acting out dreams, if the body doesn't wake up when the brain does.
Hypnagogia can also produce a false feeling of a presence. This feeling can be reproduced by electrically stimulating a part of the brain, in which case most people report feeling a presence directly behind or in front of them for a few minutes. So not only can we identify this state, we can reproduce it. It's easy to see how hypnagogia and it's effects give rise to all sorts of beliefs, including alien encounters, the sandman, succubi, ghosts and sea hags. It is interesting to note that no one misinterpreted this experience as 'alien abduction' before aliens were introduced into popular culture. In other words, the experience is very subjective.
Rather than spend a ton of time explaining that Orbs are well understood artifacts, I will simply say that in photographs where people purposely reproduce orbs by scattering dust, shooting through glass, or spraying water mist, the orbs look identical to what we see in paranormal photographs. So how do we distinguish between real orbs and those with worldly explanations? If we can not, then why think any of them are unexplained?
Incidentally, you have a beautiful kitty.
Hypnagogia is the name given for the transitional state between waking and sleeping. It is well documented that during this state the brain is more susceptible to hallucinations, particularly audio, and that cognitive functions are impaired. This can also lead to sleep paralysis, something your body does to keep from acting out dreams, if the body doesn't wake up when the brain does.
Hypnagogia can also produce a false feeling of a presence. This feeling can be reproduced by electrically stimulating a part of the brain, in which case most people report feeling a presence directly behind or in front of them for a few minutes. So not only can we identify this state, we can reproduce it. It's easy to see how hypnagogia and it's effects give rise to all sorts of beliefs, including alien encounters, the sandman, succubi, ghosts and sea hags. It is interesting to note that no one misinterpreted this experience as 'alien abduction' before aliens were introduced into popular culture. In other words, the experience is very subjective.
Rather than spend a ton of time explaining that Orbs are well understood artifacts, I will simply say that in photographs where people purposely reproduce orbs by scattering dust, shooting through glass, or spraying water mist, the orbs look identical to what we see in paranormal photographs. So how do we distinguish between real orbs and those with worldly explanations? If we can not, then why think any of them are unexplained?
Incidentally, you have a beautiful kitty.
GoldenGanja13
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Thank you. Her name was Taylor. She hated little people including children. She would actually pen them in a corner then tear there legs up like a cat and dog fight. Such a great kitty. But the Orb was not "produced" and as you can see, it disturbed my kitty enough to get her attention.
guy incognito
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Case closed. This proves ghosts are real. The ghost got stoned and wanted to stay up late watching your tv.
ginjawarrior
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didnt it bother you that your 6 year old was up and playing in middle of night? dont know about you but how ever tired i am i'd always make sure my kids were in bed and that the mysterious noises from other room wasnt a home invader before sleeping let alone putting whole thing down to "ghosts"
GoldenGanja13
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If my daughter where to get up and start watching tv in the middle of the night, yes it would bother me. But she was asleep in her bed, like I stated. As for looking through my house for "home intruders", well I know I locked my doors, and I live in a very nice community/neighborhood. I fear no intruders. And last, I am very aware and in-tuned to the spiritual world/ghost and it does not bother me that they turn on/off my tv.
ginjawarrior
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which one was it playing or sleeping?
i find alot of people who "believe" in ghost cant even get the basic parts of their anecdotes to add up
guy incognito
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So a home intruder is not even a possibility, despite that we have millions of accounts on records of that happening? Even in locked houses and remote areas.
But the idea that it is a ghost, when we don't have even a single recorded account of that EVER happening ANYWHERE, seems not only probable, but so probable that you immediately dismiss it as such and go back to bed?
Seriously, I think you are certifiable.
