does anybody grow with (the spinner)
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DubsFan
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This and a light mover are completely different and are not similar at all.
A light mover moves away from a plant in order to get closer to another. At least that's how some use it. Light movers should really only used to move 6-12" or so to get rid of shadows, not 3ft to get over to another side of a 4x8 tray. I see that pretty often and that's not what movers are for...by spinning around the bulb the distance from the plant and bulb never changes.
This system uses the same principles as vertical or stadium grows. It takes advantage of the arcing light. You are not using a hood to reflect light down, you are close to getting 100% of the bulbs natural arc by hanging it vertically instead of horizontally. Commercial indoor grows use a system just like this. The bulb is stationary and the plants spin around it. But much bigger than this unit.
A light mover moves away from a plant in order to get closer to another. At least that's how some use it. Light movers should really only used to move 6-12" or so to get rid of shadows, not 3ft to get over to another side of a 4x8 tray. I see that pretty often and that's not what movers are for...by spinning around the bulb the distance from the plant and bulb never changes.
This system uses the same principles as vertical or stadium grows. It takes advantage of the arcing light. You are not using a hood to reflect light down, you are close to getting 100% of the bulbs natural arc by hanging it vertically instead of horizontally. Commercial indoor grows use a system just like this. The bulb is stationary and the plants spin around it. But much bigger than this unit.
really? i was first thinking about building a big one as you mentioned using a 1000 watt light. you got any info on the commercial grows using the bigger system like the spinner?
DubsFan
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They're $5k.
Guys are hitting 1g a watt minimum in a 4x8 trays doing high plant count Sea of Green grows. After this grow is done I've got 75 clones waiting to get dropped into my tray. Rather than spend all that money one a fancy set up you can do a high plant count SOG or a high plant count Stadium.
Also, I don't know what the fascination is with low wattage high yield systems. Take your 430w "whatever" and put a 600 or a 1000w in there and you will yield more and have more dense nugs. "oh Dubs fan but those lights aren't as efficient" I'll tell you what, you can save $75mo while I yield and extra P in 90 days. Save $250 or make an extra $4000.
Screw efficiency. Buy bigger bulbs, keep your grow cool and yield more. Whatever you are yielding with a 400w or 600w, throw in a 1000w and thank me later. All things being equal, more power yields more dense nugs.
totally makes sense my friend.. why go small?? when you can go big. i should make a replica but a bigger version using a 1000 watt light. you agree?
DubsFan
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The spinner looks like it may naturally stay cooler cause it spins. Check youtube...there is a fucking warehouse with the larger versions. They sit up like a wheel whereas these lay flat. Take up less room that way.
I say pass on the spinner design and go with something that uses the same principles. Just google or search on here for Stadium Grow. Picture bleacher seats on the left and right side of a bulb with bulb dangling down from the ceiling. No hoods, just bulbs dude. It's old school and uses the same principle but you don't have to be an engineer to build it. I have a link on my other computer where a guy uses cinder blocks and 2x6's to stack his stadium.
But if you are already doing hydro and have a tray and lights just do a SOG and call it a day.
There are a few ways to hit high yields without all the fancy shit. I run a sealed room with Co2 and when I see these guys with $1500 brains I'm wondering WTF?
DubsFan
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You are missing the physics. It's not about moving the plants or the light. It's about the natural arc of the bulb. When a bulb sits flat or horizontal in a hood litteraly half the bulb isn't being used. Sure it reflects down but with terrible efficiency.
A bulb standing up right or vertically emits evenly from left to right with a sweep or an arc.
Look a stadium grow and there you will see how to position your plants to fit the arc of a bulb.
DubsFan
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DubsFan
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A stadium grow and SOG grows are about high plant counts...think dozens. The plant is trimmed so you only harvest the main cola. Not necessarily with the stadium.
You really need to read now. I've given you photos, links and ideas. Start reading.
DubsFan
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The distance between the plants remains the same with a spinner though. Think radius. It's not the same.Spinner looks like it moves the plants and the light remains fixed. A light mover, well you get it...............
FileError404
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whoaaa!!! have u grown with that before? if so what lighting did you use? and what was your yeild?Coloseum Unit:
FileError404
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No, never used it. As long as the law prosecutes by plant count instead of weight I don't believe in SOG... Can just see the headlines. "Man Grew 300 Plants In His Basement - Street Market Value 5 Million Dollars"! Too bad, cause these things are very efficient if a little overpriced. They're about $1400 per 150 site module and run with up to 5x 600W lights for the 300 plants.
Here is a DIY setup.
Here is a DIY setup.
DubsFan
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Then don't grow 100 plants. I don't worry too much about plant count as long as I'm in Ca...but the difference in prosecution from 50 plants to 80 can't be that far off. I'm about to do 72 plants in my 4x8....SOG.
I don't know much about Fed law but 99 plants is where most cut it off.
The possession limits in CA are currently unlimited as of yesterdays Supreme Court ruling. I wonder if the plant count has gone up. It should have considering there were no limitations in the passing of the bill on either yield/possession or plant count. The argument that just won unlimited possession could probably apply to plant count.
man it sucks where im at, if you have 25 plants its considered trafficking
Which light mover goes between each plant and exposes the whole thing evenly, does not use a reflector and is positioned beside the plants
The example you gave is nothing like a spinner. But if you think they are the same, wanna buy a car? it has two wheels and a chain. I'll give you a good deal, $10,000
