Does anyone besides me take this?

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
First reference: "potentially", "theoretically". No data.

Second reference: study done in mice.

Third reference: studies in mice and rats. Title is dishonest.

Fourth reference: the interesting bit, Table 1, has two line items claiming human harm. The first is not for a foodstuff. But neither is referenced and thus unverifiable. cn
 

jtprin

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Believe what you want. It's not a coincidence that so many credible sources acknowledge the harmful effects of GMO's. Enjoy those McChicken's.

Also, GMO's are shown to harm numerous living things and you don't question if it could harm humans? You have no evidence that GMO's are just as healthy as organic food and I have solid evidence to prove my point. Hmm... did this "chemist" work w/ the government? Wouldn't doubt it. But then again goverment websites even admit organic is better so who knows. Your life dude.
 

minnesmoker

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JT ... Notice how I posted a journalistic synopsis of a Harvard University "Controlled Study?" Well, that is the synopsis for a peer reviewed study. That's called a "credible source." They started with a question "What affect, if any, does Marijuana, and it's constituent cannabinoids, have on human cancer cells?" This question is the basis for what is called the "scientific method." Notice the neutral nature of the question? It seeks neither a negative nor positive result, just a result. That lack of bias is a prerequisite to the "scientific method." Seeking a positive or negative (proving a theory) cannot begin until an initial neutral inquiry is made. The problem that Neer, myself, and others have with your initial (and continued) approach, push to "prove" your vitamins, and stance in defending your beliefs is simply: Your beliefs do not stand up to the scientific method, contrarily, your evidence proves the necessity for the scientific method, and shows the danger of journalistic research. You do not approach with reputable peer reviewed information, you approach with outdated, non-reviewed studies, anecdotal studies, biased studies, and journalistic "science." You also approach with a closed mind. If you present a study, a PEER REVIEWED study showing that Marijuana (or it's constituent cannabinoids) weakens the immune system, or that genetically spliced foods are more dangerous than cross-bred/back-bred/plant spliced "re-engineered" foods/plants, I'm willing to review those studies and look further into the peer review papers, and even change my mind. Your discarding our MODERN, PEER REVIEWED studies shows your lack of willingness to accept alternative outcomes.

With all that... if the vitamins work for you, rock them, but, please pay attention to dosing, and be vigil with potential symptoms of overdose, especially once you start eating right.
 

Dr. Greenhorn

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I didn't realize vitamins would end up being such a explosive topic. lol



debating is fine but please keep the name calling down to a minimum. thanks.
 

olylifter420

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Too bad the child will not understand anything you said, i said or neer said.

but hey, when his professors give him a big F on his dietician papers for using invalid sources, hopefully he will come back and thank us



JT ... Notice how I posted a journalistic synopsis of a Harvard University "Controlled Study?" Well, that is the synopsis for a peer reviewed study. That's called a "credible source." They started with a question "What affect, if any, does Marijuana, and it's constituent cannabinoids, have on human cancer cells?" This question is the basis for what is called the "scientific method." Notice the neutral nature of the question? It seeks neither a negative nor positive result, just a result. That lack of bias is a prerequisite to the "scientific method." Seeking a positive or negative (proving a theory) cannot begin until an initial neutral inquiry is made. The problem that Neer, myself, and others have with your initial (and continued) approach, push to "prove" your vitamins, and stance in defending your beliefs is simply: Your beliefs do not stand up to the scientific method, contrarily, your evidence proves the necessity for the scientific method, and shows the danger of journalistic research. You do not approach with reputable peer reviewed information, you approach with outdated, non-reviewed studies, anecdotal studies, biased studies, and journalistic "science." You also approach with a closed mind. If you present a study, a PEER REVIEWED study showing that Marijuana (or it's constituent cannabinoids) weakens the immune system, or that genetically spliced foods are more dangerous than cross-bred/back-bred/plant spliced "re-engineered" foods/plants, I'm willing to review those studies and look further into the peer review papers, and even change my mind. Your discarding our MODERN, PEER REVIEWED studies shows your lack of willingness to accept alternative outcomes.

With all that... if the vitamins work for you, rock them, but, please pay attention to dosing, and be vigil with potential symptoms of overdose, especially once you start eating right.
 

jtprin

Well-Known Member
JT ... Notice how I posted a journalistic synopsis of a Harvard University "Controlled Study?" Well, that is the synopsis for a peer reviewed study. That's called a "credible source." They started with a question "What affect, if any, does Marijuana, and it's constituent cannabinoids, have on human cancer cells?" This question is the basis for what is called the "scientific method." Notice the neutral nature of the question? It seeks neither a negative nor positive result, just a result. That lack of bias is a prerequisite to the "scientific method." Seeking a positive or negative (proving a theory) cannot begin until an initial neutral inquiry is made. The problem that Neer, myself, and others have with your initial (and continued) approach, push to "prove" your vitamins, and stance in defending your beliefs is simply: Your beliefs do not stand up to the scientific method, contrarily, your evidence proves the necessity for the scientific method, and shows the danger of journalistic research. You do not approach with reputable peer reviewed information, you approach with outdated, non-reviewed studies, anecdotal studies, biased studies, and journalistic "science." You also approach with a closed mind. If you present a study, a PEER REVIEWED study showing that Marijuana (or it's constituent cannabinoids) weakens the immune system, or that genetically spliced foods are more dangerous than cross-bred/back-bred/plant spliced "re-engineered" foods/plants, I'm willing to review those studies and look further into the peer review papers, and even change my mind. Your discarding our MODERN, PEER REVIEWED studies shows your lack of willingness to accept alternative outcomes.

With all that... if the vitamins work for you, rock them, but, please pay attention to dosing, and be vigil with potential symptoms of overdose, especially once you start eating right.
I've provided plenty of legitimate and credible sources. I don't care that you view them as out-dated or biased even though many are recent links. You asked for links and I proved every single point. My job isn't to convince you, keep believing what you want to believe while disregarding factual data.
 

jtprin

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Minne, the very own link you provided agreed with me and not you. Damn, guess you can't have intelligent conversations on this site. If you mention one thing bad about weed you're against it and know nothing about it, lmao.

This is the link you posted: http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/10/19/vitamins-good-for-you-bad-for-you-or-what/

Direct quote from link: "So, yes, the most recent research shows a modest reduced risk of total cancers among older men taking a multivitamin, but the overall research track record of vitamin supplementation isn’t as encouraging".

The most RECENT research agrees with ME and yet you claim I'm using out-dated information. You're embarrassing yourself again.
 

jtprin

Well-Known Member
Too bad the child will not understand anything you said, i said or neer said.

but hey, when his professors give him a big F on his dietician papers for using invalid sources, hopefully he will come back and thank us
Why are you acting like you know stuff again?
 

jtprin

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1.) I didn't say it was impossible to overdose on multivitamin's. I said tell me one person who has died or gotten a serious illness from taking multivitamins because their diet was already good enough. Key part of the sentence. That has to be the reason they died because I never said that people can't have certain health problems that make them unable to take them.

2.) GMO - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEZYQF9WlE (tons of evidence in this video alone)
http://www.liveinthenow.com/article/gmo-dangers-how-much-more-proof-do-we-need

3.) Marijuana and immune system - http://norml.org/library/health-reports/item/norml-s-marijuana-health-mythology#16
"One exception is the lungs, where chronic pots smokers have been shown to suffer damage to the immune cells known as alveolar macrophages and other defense mechanisms.3 It is unclear how much of this damage is due to THC, as opposed to all of the other toxins that occur in smoke , many of which can be filtered out by waterpipes and other devices"

4.) I didn't say marijuana caused lung cancer.
And if you read the thread, you'll see that many different links, including one's provided by so-called "opposition", most agree and show that organic is not only higher in nutritional value, but decreases the chances of consuming bacteria and pesticide, which is linked to many very serious diseases.
 

olylifter420

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Ok child, your mom needs the pc now



Why are you acting like you know stuff again?
And if you read the thread, you'll see that many different links, including one's provided by so-called "opposition", most agree and show that organic is not only higher in nutritional value, but decreases the chances of consuming bacteria and pesticide, which is linked to many very serious diseases.
 

olylifter420

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My tosh, you cant understand science literature.

How can you not understand the last 13 words of what you sir bolded?

in that one study in OLDER MALES ONLY, you know what, fuck it. You cant get it, i am done trying to help you


Minne, the very own link you provided agreed with me and not you. Damn, guess you can't have intelligent conversations on this site. If you mention one thing bad about weed you're against it and know nothing about it, lmao.

This is the link you posted: http://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddisalvo/2012/10/19/vitamins-good-for-you-bad-for-you-or-what/

Direct quote from link: "So, yes, the most recent research shows a modest reduced risk of total cancers among older men taking a multivitamin, but the overall research track record of vitamin supplementation isn’t as encouraging".

The most RECENT research agrees with ME and yet you claim I'm using out-dated information. You're embarrassing yourself again.
 

jtprin

Well-Known Member
If the most recent studies have evidence they are healthy, it indicates that previous studies were misleading. Also, it says overall research for vitamin supplementation, which includes much more than a multivitamin. They are also talking about individual supplements which often have large amounts in them. But the study done on the multivitamin alone showed to reduce chances of getting ANY cancer.
 

olylifter420

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Man whatever. You have no clue of what you talking sbout and how to interpret literature



If the most recent studies have evidence they are healthy, it indicates that previous studies were misleading. Also, it says overall research for vitamin supplementation, which includes much more than a multivitamin. But the study done on the multivitamin alone showed to reduce chances of getting ANY cancer.
 
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