Does anyone have any info or experience with this unit.

HippieDudeRon said:

But you are making claims based on them. That is on you.
You are completely incorrect and I already showed that. Why do you not actually look at the test and the data sheets yourself?

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Rocket Soul said:

Did you actually have a look at the referenced tests in cobkits thread? This is what they show:
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Cree cobs will only win over citizens low end cobs and Getian brand. Get over it, this is the only claim I made, they tested out worse than what costs the same of their competition (back them), my point being that op could go with another cob brand.

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Rocket Soul said:

Several things make me wanna skip that: cree cobs are not nr one in efficiency, they were supposed to be a few years ago but real life test found them not be up to spec, lower output and efficiency.

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HippieDudeRon said:

1)Efficacy (umols/w)
2)Value (umol/$)
3)Heat sinking
4)Weight
5)Driver/power cost per same photon count
6)Uniformity
7)Mixed SPDs
8 ) LM80
9)TM21 reports
10)Harsh environment resistance
11)Extra comopent cost(holders, adapters, and whatnot)
12) Lower component operating temps...longevity

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MidnightSun72 said:

Efficacy is umol/J
Which is umol/s/w

I am waiting for the links regarding all this info thanks. Since you obviously just listed random lighting criteria without actually thinking about it.

5) Driver costs??? He's talking about COBs
6) uniformity???This on cob placement not feature of different cobs

No wonder the word wrong has your name right in the middle of it.

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HippieDudeRon said:

A Joule = a w/s...aka umols/w=umols/j...thanks for playing

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MidnightSun72 said:

Wrong again. Why are you having these arguments, when you obviously lack a basic grasp of the concepts?

You think you can omit the time portion of a unit amd it still represent the same thing?

When you are driving your car do you go 100 miles? Or do you go 100 miles per hour? Two totally different things.

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HippieDudeRon said:

You never linked or referenced it. Saying "cob kit" thread is now citing something?...ok dude. You linked chilled actual sphere test...that is literally all you linked...why you lying now? It's literally one page back for everyone to see.
Anyways you linked the the only one that actually matters...the lab sphere test. And it is certified to standards and checked. And it showed nothing you claimed. Only supported that you continually lie nd push misinformation.

So you now are saying that the sphere test was wrong?

So dude, stop lying, back peddling, and claiming shit without any sources. Cause you have and still are wrong. The data lines up perfectly with what cree claims it does.

Stop spreading false information and then lying about it.
And to be clear as day about your continued lies...here are your lies quoted and time stamped...



So dude...stop back peddling, stop lying. You want to show test of performance...then do it with simpley the data, don't lie about it. There was no need or advantage to lying about the testing other than making yourself look even worse and uncredible. Don't lie about the results or the testing done.

So again, THE CXB PERFORMED EXACTLY HOW THE SPEC SHEET AND CREE SAID IT WOULD.
Are their "better" performing COBs...Yes Does lying about CREE make those better? No, only makes you a liar.

EDIT: more of your lies
"CREE COBS" will only win over...
dude...do you live in 2015...cause what is a cree COB...Is it a CXA, CXB, CMA, CMT, CMU????
Stop generalizing, stop lying. This is why they showed you how to actually cite sources in grade school. Figure it out.
Things are what they are...nothing more, nothing less.

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Rocket Soul said:

First: you're assuming that the cree cxb was tested at 60C, can you please reference that as it is nowhere in the chilled test. Most sphere tests tend to be pulsed tests, and the only temp measured and mentioned is 25C.
Where do you get 60C from?

Second: can you give any reason for cobkits tests are invalid? They measure output and watts and plot them against each other and as stated they show that cree is not nr in efficiency: just like I stated. Fair enough I might have been imprecise in wording and gone by the spreadsheets done by others but can you show an actual test comparing cobs where cree cxb beats Vero and clu1818? The only thing you brought is the cree product tool.

Third: why do you believe people should bend over backwards to prove anything to you, I ask you to cite and reference any proof that you are anything but a troll? Last time we had this you were shown side by sides but never acknowledged it. And no I never said a dozen side by sides. Why do you think anyone needs to go thru side after side of thread when you just say "no that doesn't count" when they actually show it to you? There's absolutely no good faith in interacting with you. I had you on ignore since first time I came around you, I decided to engage again and oh was I right in the first place.
What are actually here for apart from trolling? I mean you scream of sock puppet account.

IGNORE again and have a Great day!

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HippieDudeRon said:

1) where the temps came from were in my post to you clear as day. And mentioned a few because the test you cited(chilled) had no tmep info. So not sure why you're yelling and crying...we both said the same thing...maybe read it for once? BTW at 25c its within spec...agina..actually read the data.
But again...if you don't have the data, don't lei about it. Thing are what they are...nothing more, nothing less.

2) did I say cob kit was invalid? Cite it...cause it didn't happen.
Literally my last post..."are their better COBs, Yes. " Does lying about cree show that??, No.
Again...maybe actually read.

3) I don't believe you should and never made anyone. But if you make a statement cite it. That simple. Citing your sources is not bending over backwards...it the minimum effort, and the minimum acceptable way to show validity.

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Rocket Soul said:

Elsa, let it go...
And that's the last words you'll get out of me. Thx for playing the troll game. Yeah you won, you're the troll

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Kindbud421 said:

OP! Go with your heart and wallet size! All three you posted are good lights. If your not a builder and want cob fixture go with timber… rapid led is expensive in my opinion. The new rage is light strip fixtures, coverage is excellent. I have qb’s and am happy with them for my 4x4 but if I get a 5x5 I’d prob go with a strip fixture. If your not pinching pennies then don’t worry about efficiency and cost of operation… unless your growing outdoors, we all know it cost money to grow indoors.

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HippieDudeRon said:

How are you going to be running it? What is your setup/style?

Without know that I would say the Scorpion, then a toss up between the GC and older respec based on how your running it and sale prices.

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gr865 said:

It will be in a 5 x 5, will be running a 48 to 54 inch circular screen SCrog. It will be on a roller base, with a lazy susan that can be rotated up to 270 degrees. I am leaning towards the 54 inch screen.

I ran this one in my 4x4 in 20', this screen was 40 inches round.
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This shot is from my spring 21' grow, the screen did not rotate but could pull on the rollers about 20 inches. This was about 31 zips.
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