Does flower stage begin on day of switch to 12/12 OR first sign of buds???

illa101k2

Member
Ok so this is my third grow. first two were a success under cfls. 4 plants 12 oz dried n cured. Decided to step it up to a 400 w mh/hps setup cuz cfls just werent giving me the dense buds i was looking for compared to my buddy under just a 250w. Ok so I got 4 different girls on the go. pineapple chunk,blue cheese,royal caramel, and a ice bomb. Today is exactly 7 weeks-49 days from the day I switched to 12/12, my question is am I at week 7 of flower or am i still at like week 5 cuz it took like 1-2 weeks for buds to start popping. I have looked at the trichs under a scope and i got cloudy trichs all around not to much clear. I want to get the harvest date right so i want to know when to start doing my 1-2 week final flush ????? the results are obviously a lot better with the hid setup thats why im kinda stumped, with the cfls i would have to wait till like 8-9 weeks to start seeing the trichs cloud over.
So when does flower stage really start????
 

qwizoking

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it's flowering the instant dark periods reach the threshold governed by genetics, on the first night. on a mature plant..
 

illa101k2

Member
No I didn't over feed plants are healthy. I was saying to flush the plant meaning to just water the plant with straight water no nutes for the next two weeks to get rid of the nutes in the soil
 

qwizoking

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most plants are mature around week 3, so for example a plant grown 12/12 from seed starts flowering about 3 weeks in

yours was mature
 

qwizoking

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Maybe you should educate yourself first....




I use the "worst" nutes you can buy,
but I know how nutes effect the plant and burn qualities so I only look at types of nutes and ratios.no crackling here and black ash is a bad cure

When wood is heated anaerobically, it turns black as the water is driven off, leaving charcoal, or carbon, behind. When charcoal burns in air, the carbon combines with oxygen, producing carbon dioxide gas. But if you have ever used a charcoal grill,you will noticed that charcoal turns white as it burns. This white ash is what remains of the non-flammable minerals which were present in the wood to begin with. You don't really notice them until the carbon has burned away. These ashes have a composition which varies according to the kind of wood and the soil in which it grew, and it is this variable composition which marks ash as a mixture rather than apure substance.
Ash is literally the nutes.
that anaerobic burning is what causes butane lighters to produce soot or that black stuff if you put the flame under something, propane burns wonderfully clean but as you add carbon it needs more oxygen, as you go up it won't burn properly unless you add an oxidizer.. this is also why BIC lighters are only about 500 degrees instead of 3500 or whatever butane likes to burn at..(bics design limits oxygen,if you have a torch for dabbing with an adjuster you know what I'm talking about)

...flushing is debated alot around here but its proven that it doesn't lower nutes in your bud it causes the plant to form an abscission layer in the fan leaves(Google it) to preserve nutes in the bud, you'll notice the bud is last to yellow...
The white ash is literally the nutes and nutes are actually good and improve the burn qualities,yes my ash burns to white..potassium for example expands when hot and helps it burn much more efficiently.. calcium adds weight and mass to the ash while making it whiter but too much makes it flakey.. sulphur ,ammonical n and chlorinated nutes negatively impact burn qualities etc etc I mean the tobacco industry laid it all out for us already, we just have to modify how we cure as we are dealing with volatile compounds and understanding what we are after isn't anitrate but phosphate(terpenes come from phosphates). No other crop is flushed including tobacco so that you get the best burn, yield and quality..the cure is very important But fresh herb barely dry enough to smoke with no cure doesn't crackle much except for the moisture and resin but leaves it black Flushing is counterproductive imo and only serves to foxtail my landrace Sativas

the cure is important and the fowl taste associated with not flushing is simply a poor cure..a harsh hot acrid taste is from burning starches and chlorophyll....also associated with newbs overfeeding making the cure that much harder..keeping the plant moist enough to stay alive and still maintain gas transfer..through this natural process of hydrolysis and respiration the components are broken down and becomes smooth..this process is known as the cure

Night and day difference in curing ..
Reduction in Chlorophyll content, doesn't taste like smoking veggies
Reduction in plant starch content,and sugars, creating a smooth smoke that will just expand nicely in your lungs, won't even feel it go down
Reduction in nitrate levels,less carcinogenic, always good right and cleaner tasting/cleaner feeling high
polycyclic aromatization and oxidation of terpenoids altering the flavor profile more robust with a higher ppm sensory threshold , less perfumey even soapy or "green" from corresponding aldehydes and ketones
Reduction of and consistent moisture content, even slow burn and no smoldering or black ash unwilling to burn
 
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