DubRules.... if you read what I said, I believe you would not have said what you did...
You are proof of what I said...
Right or wrong depends on the application...
Different styles require different techniques...
I do not see how you can disagree with that... but that is the ONLY point I made...
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As for me not sounding all rosy and shit...
I'm sharing info... DATA.. take it or leave it... but do not expect flowers with it...
I live in pain bro... MADDENING PAIN.... even when I sleep...
smash your foot with a hammer 60 times a minute for the last 2 years... and you will prolly sound like you are on a tirade too.... but you are actually just having a jolly ol'e day...
On my BEST day I am grouchier than Blackbeard...
And bro... I HATE IT TOO... but that is the card I was given... and I deal with it...
You can ALWAYS choose to ignore me... there's even a function here to do that...
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But if you look at the message, instead of the messenger...
If you look at what I said, rather than HOW I said it...
You would see that the info is at MINIMUM, worthy of a debate...
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But when you come out and say ONLY this... or ONLY that...
I know there can be no debate without reason...
and ABSOLUTISM is not reason-able......
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if you want to talk growing pot.. we can do it all day long... I got lots of time for that...
But I will not argue... no-thing to be gained from that...
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It's easy to see what these factors do, but for anyone to call this an "experiment" is beyond me. Experimenting what works better for one's growing methods gives solid results when only one or two differences exist.
i never said it was an experiment.
It's easy to see what these factors do, but for anyone to call this an "experiment" is beyond me. Experimenting what works better for one's growing methods gives solid results when only one or two differences exist.
For example, one comparison I'm doing right now is with cloning.... half of each strain is in rockwool, the other half is in coco. Absolutely nothing else has been done differently; only the medium. That is an experiment to see which method produces the best results for a given set up. (That set up being mine, of course.) If there are different results, I'll be able to positively say that one particular method worked better for me than the other did, as nothing else is different in this experiment. Make sense?
Common sense would dictate that no nutrients or fresh air will stunt any plant's growth. This doesn't prove that CO2 and "proper" lights have made any difference, not to mention the myriad of nutrients & supplements rather than sticking to the basics. (BTW, many growers way overdo the nutes.)
RE: the "proper" anything, look at my grow: 4' T5 fixture, 4 bulbs each of 30K & 65K. Nutes are GH's MaxiGro and MaxiBloom. Rapid growth of bushes has been the result. No CO2, no supplements, no "extras" at all. Could I have larger plants if I used some of the extras? Most likely. Can I afford them? Nope. Would the extras make such a huge difference in yield to make up for the difference in cost I'd have between purchases and utility bills? Not for many harvests in the future, and my present is too broke to even think about what I "might" be able to do in the future. Fact remains I've got very happy plants that are full of healthy foliage, full of good bud sites created with LST, and I've been told several times that they're "flowering aggressively" (today is only day 20 of bloom) and the likes.
I'm with Gypsy on this.... "right" or "wrong" depends on the application, preferences in both growth and the end results, climate, etc. There is no one right way to grow. If there was, there wouldn't be so many vastly different techniques out there.
If your roommate had given basic nutrients and fresh air to the plant as well as a better-sized pot, with none of the "extras" (including different lights) that you've used, I'm positive it would be a lot less different from yours. Perhaps not the same, but not nearly as far apart as they are now.
I'm not trying to put anyone down. It's just that with the lists you provided for what's been done with each plant, you may as well have compared apples to oranges.... they're both fruits, but that's where the similarities end.
What kind of fan size and type did you runn it from the very begining? +Rep.
Actually that sounds really boring, at least there is a message not to cut corners and cost.It's easy to see what these factors do, but for anyone to call this an "experiment" is beyond me. Experimenting what works better for one's growing methods gives solid results when only one or two differences exist.
For example, one comparison I'm doing right now is with cloning.... half of each strain is in rockwool, the other half is in coco. Absolutely nothing else has been done differently; only the medium. That is an experiment to see which method produces the best results for a given set up. (That set up being mine, of course.) If there are different results, I'll be able to positively say that one particular method worked better for me than the other did, as nothing else is different in this experiment. Make sense?
Common sense would dictate that no nutrients or fresh air will stunt any plant's growth. This doesn't prove that CO2 and "proper" lights have made any difference, not to mention the myriad of nutrients & supplements rather than sticking to the basics. (BTW, many growers way overdo the nutes.)
RE: the "proper" anything, look at my grow: 4' T5 fixture, 4 bulbs each of 30K & 65K. Nutes are GH's MaxiGro and MaxiBloom. Rapid growth of bushes has been the result. No CO2, no supplements, no "extras" at all. Could I have larger plants if I used some of the extras? Most likely. Can I afford them? Nope. Would the extras make such a huge difference in yield to make up for the difference in cost I'd have between purchases and utility bills? Not for many harvests in the future, and my present is too broke to even think about what I "might" be able to do in the future. Fact remains I've got very happy plants that are full of healthy foliage, full of good bud sites created with LST, and I've been told several times that they're "flowering aggressively" (today is only day 20 of bloom) and the likes.
I'm with Gypsy on this.... "right" or "wrong" depends on the application, preferences in both growth and the end results, climate, etc. There is no one right way to grow. If there was, there wouldn't be so many vastly different techniques out there.
If your roommate had given basic nutrients and fresh air to the plant as well as a better-sized pot, with none of the "extras" (including different lights) that you've used, I'm positive it would be a lot less different from yours. Perhaps not the same, but not nearly as far apart as they are now.
I'm not trying to put anyone down. It's just that with the lists you provided for what's been done with each plant, you may as well have compared apples to oranges.... they're both fruits, but that's where the similarities end.
DubRules, please forgive my failure to clarify.... you didn't say "experiment" but several others did. That was aimed at the comments made by others calling your OP an experiment.
Well, it will grow and do "OK" on its own.
But that doesn't mean one should be OK with "just OK" when one has the resources (knowledge as well as moolah) to put time, work, and at the very least the basics into it. I've been living largely off of frozen burritos, due to the constantly increasing cost of my indoor garden; just when I think I'm done spending, another expense comes along. BLAH!
My fiance has taken money out of his savings a few times to get this or that for my garden (while he's working on buying a house, mind you), bless his heart! Also, I'm severely disabled, so my "income" is crap, to say the least. BTW, should also clarify RE: the lights.... I could've gotten HID, but I'm in the Mojave, and there's just no way I can combat the heat enough to use HID lighting. With the A/C full blast right next to my plants (yep, they get the cooling that I don't! LOL), exhaust fans, etc., the temps are manageable but not where I feel they'd be optimal. Substitute HID for T5, and they'd slow their growth if not simply die. 
Point being, I also give them all I can, RE: money as well as my given environment that I cannot change.Indeed! My cannabis is my medicine, and I have absolutely no quality of life whatsoever without it! So believe you me, from paying for great genetics to rendering myself literally immobile for the rest of the day (if not for several days) after working on them daily, they get all the TLC they possibly could.
I wasn't striving to be exciting.
I'm at RIU for growing, not to be an entertainer. Until I was forced into early retirement a year and a half ago, I was paid to perform and entertain; and supported myself and my kids doing just that. If you want to pay for my services, I'll be glad to entertain you.
it's a 16" oscillating fan.
