The 9in clones show new growth and look relatively healthy but the leaves are drooping it just looks weird. Is this a trait of the strain(Vortex)? Or do I have a problem? PPM-650 and I keep the PH at 6.0. In GH Waterfarm buckets. Transplanted 2 days ago and the cuttings were taken early in flowering and were kept in hyroton . I'm just using GH base nutrients and Cal Mag.
Droopy Leaves WTF??
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Doer
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650 ppm for a tiny plant like that? For a clone? Are you kidding?
I would say, that you are overwatered big time, for the tiny root ball. That causes some of the droop. You are also in big time feed stress, I think.
I will maybe give a 4 ft plant 650 ppm. I give clones 90 ppm.
I would say, that you are overwatered big time, for the tiny root ball. That causes some of the droop. You are also in big time feed stress, I think.
I will maybe give a 4 ft plant 650 ppm. I give clones 90 ppm.
branbran420
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I am going with over watered
I've used that same solution on other plants smaller and they double in size in a couple of days. The General Hydroponics feeding schedule directly contradicts what you're talking about. Thanks for the input though. The GH water farm has a 2 gallon reservoir and its a hybrid top drip/DWC(once the roots begin to hang in the water) Read about them. It would be kind of hard to overwater. Now, if they drink more than they eat then thats a PH problem which I dont have. Thanks for the replies.
Doer
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I am directly contradicting those feeding schedules and I should know. I don't ask, What SHOULD I DO???
I have the same set up and I can over water. If you think you can't over water, then why in hell do your plants look like that?
Each strain is a different feeder and drinker. Most important is that each plant, has individual needs as well. No two are alike. That is nature.
But, hey, why ask if you know so much? Just follow the labels down the drain. I did that. Go for it.
A pH problem? Oh BS. But, I forgot. You are the expert. What a joke, man. pH is about the range where nutes can be taken, it is NOT about
over or underfeeding.
Doer OUT!
I have the same set up and I can over water. If you think you can't over water, then why in hell do your plants look like that?
Each strain is a different feeder and drinker. Most important is that each plant, has individual needs as well. No two are alike. That is nature.
But, hey, why ask if you know so much? Just follow the labels down the drain. I did that. Go for it.
A pH problem? Oh BS. But, I forgot. You are the expert. What a joke, man. pH is about the range where nutes can be taken, it is NOT about
over or underfeeding.
Doer OUT!
Grobbleskin
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I may not have any experience at all with hydro, so feel free to flame me for this, but common sense (as well as science) dictates that if they are drinking more than they eat then they ARE being given too many nutes. Likewise, if they were eating more than they were drinking it would suggest the opposite.
Doer
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Exactly. It has nothing to do with pH. I measure PPM in vs PPM out water and I feed once a day for a 20" plant @ 320 ppm. It grows 2 inches a week.
If you try to feed them too fast and too much they will take only the water and lock out the feed across the range of pH. All of it will cease. Then the lacks show up all around. You can't chase it.
You have to get the ER response going. If the OP would stop watering for 2 days he will see what we mean.
Assumptions. Assume the labels are for all plants. Assume there are magic formulas. Assume that ganja business guys are not rip-offs. Assume all the old myths about an illegal activity are all correct. Impossible.
Assume rings and hydroton = can't over water. We are the plants main irritant. Just us.
If you try to feed them too fast and too much they will take only the water and lock out the feed across the range of pH. All of it will cease. Then the lacks show up all around. You can't chase it.
You have to get the ER response going. If the OP would stop watering for 2 days he will see what we mean.
Assumptions. Assume the labels are for all plants. Assume there are magic formulas. Assume that ganja business guys are not rip-offs. Assume all the old myths about an illegal activity are all correct. Impossible.
Assume rings and hydroton = can't over water. We are the plants main irritant. Just us.
I didnt mean to start such an issue with you guys or come off as an expert which Im not. Prob worded my post wrong , I've just grown beautiful plants using this feeding schedule is all. and what I meant by a pH problem is that the roots wont uptake the nutes if the pH is off. I understand too many nutes will cause lockout and they wont eat no matter what the pH is also. I'm turning off the water for 2 days at the advice of one of the previous posters. I have my fingers crossed. It is true, every plant is different. I've read that a lot of ppl put their drip on a timer so I will see what they look like after 2 days and post pics. I hope you're right. Thanks for the replies
Bugeye
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Vortex is known for having really weak stems that need propping up during flowering. What you are looking at has nothing to do with the strain. Are you dripping 24/7? Put a timer on and let the rocks dry out a bit. You have to experiment to find the right mix. And very naive to think those fertilizer feeding schedules are right! They are probably geared for tomatoes which easily need twice the nutes of mj. I'm too far removed from hydro growing to remember the right ppm for a clone transplant but anytime you transplant, that's stressful. Glad you are checking you ppm and ph, very important in hydro. Good luck!
I've come to the samw conclusion. I'm handling them with kid gloves and theyre trying to comeback. Ive got 4 solid plants that are perfectl balanced, and the shocked ones readings are balancing also. Here's a pic of six of my plants the 4 to the right of the pic are the solids. The 2 on the left are shocked Vortex.
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TY BUDS you had the correct answer. before shock ![0108141322[1].jpg](/data/attachments/2101/2101137-b99d89e189d99bdadf80c0d3ef488d39.jpg)
and after shockView attachment 2987459 I never dropped the nutes down and never put the drip on a timer. They just had to recover. TY Doer for a your great info but you were wrong and kind of condescending in the process. Thanks again BUDS.
and after shockView attachment 2987459 I never dropped the nutes down and never put the drip on a timer. They just had to recover. TY Doer for a your great info but you were wrong and kind of condescending in the process. Thanks again BUDS.Sandoz OUT!....lol
Doer
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That is funny! Thanks.
I got that from Ryan Seacrest. He has the widest radio audience in history, next to BBC.
He always ends with "Seacrest....OUT!"
Doer
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Well, he didn't give advice. And transplant shock? You don't seem to understand. Sometimes it is terminal.
You are just being a pop-up jerk, trying to have a right fight with immature derision. HA HA.
Im the OP. I never changed the drip. kept it running 24/7. didn't even drop the nutes, and it perked up in about well.. 3 weeks. Not sure if he was right or wrong, but it wasn't over watering. Here's a pic of my Garden yesterday. that shocked one is gonna be a big yielder.
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Doer
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So you are a big baby and kind of a jerk accusing me now of condescension. You know don't me, and maybe you have an inferiority complex. You asked for help.
If you think I'm keeping score you are so wrong. If you think this is about you judging who treated you better, I could not care less.
Looks like shit....OK. So, don't think I gave you advice, I don't give advice,
Just saying you were wrong and you sounded so confident that you were right. and that plant that looks like shit is healthy as fuck with a nice yield coming. You're so right no ones keeping score. You're a fucking poster on a forum. BUDS had a polite, simple and CORRECT answer while you had an uppity know it all WRONG answer. and "Doer out"?? You sound like a douche. I'm happy that you get such a kick out of Ryan Seacrest.So you are a big baby and kind of a jerk accusing me now of condescension. You know don't me, and maybe you have an inferiority complex. You asked for help.
If you think I'm keeping score you are so wrong. If you think this is about you judging who treated you better, I could not care less.
Just saying you were wrong and you sounded so confident that you were right. and that plant that looks like shit is healthy as fuck with a nice yield coming.
Looks like shit....OK. So, don't think I gave you advice, I don't give advice,