Dual Areoponic Cabinet, Ceramic Metal Halide

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cruzer101

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Well your thinking has merit to it, after all there is no medium to consider, Remember this is my first shot at this so maybe I am over doing it. (it wont be the first time)

I wont add any sugar, especially at this point. The time frame of the benefits of added sugars are over in my opinion. Besides, My feeling is keep the sugar in the coffee. I mean why bother? I feel the advantages of using it do not out weigh the variables the addition presents. If the amount is not perfect all shit breaks loose. Slow growth, feeds bacteria, lowers Ph, No, you wont see me using it.
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Dam, your good.

I figured oct 10 for cut, a week to hang/bag, couple days in jars, Your are right on!

Then we cut the Dream Team. Thats going to be a job.
 
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Checked on the kids today,

The kush that I removed from rooter cubes and put into aero cloner have grown there roots back and more.
Hell the roots are almost bigger then the plant.

Heres a shot from the 15th when I removed the rooter cube.




Heres a shot today, looks to me like it grew all new ones.
I guess I didnt have to be as careful as I thought.





But, that answers my question. You can do it, just takes a week to grow back.
And when they do, They grow back pretty good, like twice as many.



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cruzer101

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9-24-09

Temps 82 res 66°
PPMs 620
PH 5.9

Added two gallons fresh then 10ml bloombastic as the only nutrient to keep it at 600PPM set PH 6.2
Actually that stuff is to thick for the syringe. I used a teaspoon and gave it two.

I noticed all the TW top buds stretched about 1/2 of an inch, still growing some. WW didn't, its still filling out.

Looks like I got the timing right, or close enough in regards to being ready for the next grow.
I got five PK and five TW that are rooted and ready to take there place. I figure I will top the TW and hope I
get a bit more height from the PK on the right there.





I messed up with these gals, When I flipped to 12/12 in the other cab there light was plugged into the timer. I thought
it was 24/7 but they went 12/12 for a little over a week. I think it took some time to adjust.

Here I go with two strains again. This time I am going to flower as soon as they get up there.
Hopefully they will be under 10" at that time, I'm thinking PK center and TW on the ends.
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fatigues

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cruzer101 said:

Checked on the kids today,

The kush that I removed from rooter cubes and put into aero cloner have grown there roots back and more.
Hell the roots are almost bigger then the plant.

You can do it, just takes a week to grow back. And when they do, They grow back pretty good, like twice as many.
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Glad to see it worked out for you as I must say I was a little concerned when I saw the initial damage to the roots.

A new option that avoids this issue, is to germinate in Sure to Grow cubes. After the seedling is removed from the cloner, you simply insert the seedling in your Aeroponics unit with a neoprene collar and run as normal.

STG requires no pre-soaking, is ph neutral and does not suffer any of the other problems encountered by those using rock wool.

In an Aeroponic unit, you cannot use the larger STG insert made to fit snugly in a net pot (because the material STG is made from, PET, does not wick) - but the germination cube itself, once roots are exposed, is fine to use for that application.

Main advantage over Rapid Rooter is that the SuretoGrow cube is 100% plastic and will not degrade in any manner so as to potentially clog up your sprayers. And it's cheaper than Rapid Rooter, too.
 
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cruzer101

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Thats very interesting,
After reading this post I went to there website and saw the videos.

I have used rockwool and rapid rooter cubes both have there issues, Primarily the fact they both retain water makes it difficult for a small cutting or a seedlings roots to grow without oxygen.

The fact that sure to grow cubes will drain is enough for me to give it a shot.
Not to mention the other benefits.

Thanks, I believe this is just what needed and was not looking for.
This is why I share my journals with everyone, To get opinions and learn new things.

+Rep My friend, not only for your intelligent observations and suggestions but for thinking outside the box.
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Integra21

Integra21

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Those do look pretty cool, but I hate spending money if I dont have to. I dont know how you clone Cruzer, but you already have net pots and neoprene discs right? If so, thats all you need. Take your cutting, do your diagonal cut and dip in root gel if you got it(not needed), place cutting in the neoprene disc, place in net pot, then into cloner. You can check daily for roots. Once mine hit the water(DWC not aero like yours) I gently remove the neoprene and fill the net pot with hydrotron. A complete clone without having to spend $$ on useless rooters like rockwool and jiffy pelets. And in your setup and mine, they are completly unnessasay and a waste of money that can be spent on something better. Just thought you might want this info.
 
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cruzer101

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Sure man, I appreciate your input.
I just wish more people would post there opinions and maybe get into a discussion on different techniques.

In my case its getting used to the new style and the time frame.
I understand cloning pretty well now. Sure I had some trouble at first.

My style has been perpetual, I want six harvests a year to make up for the small space. In hydroton I would cut clones and root/veg for six weeks while the others flowered. Harvest Replace Flower the next batch.

With aeroponics I have found yes, they grow faster even larger then in hydroton. Rooting takes a week or so then they need about another week or two so they are at a size where I can harvest and replace.

But thats three weeks. It used to take six. That is what has thrown me off. I cant take clones in week five of flower.

Now I find if I start them in RR cubes it takes longer to get them to size so thats actually good but then I have to put that in my system and with the way the jets would normally hit the stem and the water drop off it saturates the cube. This never dries properly. Stalls the growth and makes a ball at the end of the cutting.

I am ready to start taking the clones at week four of flower, hoping they will take 2 weeks to root/re veg and be ready in a month.

So you see, I need a way to stall them if I want to continue with aeroponics with a perpetual grow and no mother. Or grow a mother.

Now these new cubes, I could probably keep them in those for 3 or 4 weeks with low lighting then put them into the cloner for a week or so under the LEDs to perk them up that cube will drain and be ready when I need them.

Just in case I started a mother.
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Integra21

Integra21

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Yeah, mothers are the way to go. My problem is I have dedicated half my space to mothers. Some are leaving soon though. At the moment, I have 3 White Widow, Mango, Blue Mystic, Mazar, Piss, and a Blue Kush mom. But I'm a sucker for variety. I cut my clones 3 weeks before harvest. 1 week to root and 2 weeks to veg. But you need a mom. The short veg time also helps the plants to have a slightly smaller final size, but in our setups is the right mix for light penetration.
 
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With your system, how would you adapt it for a mom? also, would you kill the mom when it got too big, or bud it?
or you could get the clones from someone with the strains already, lol.
 
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cruzer101

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Integra21 said:
Yeah, mothers are the way to go. My problem is I have dedicated half my space to mothers. Some are leaving soon though. At the moment, I have 3 White Widow, Mango, Blue Mystic, Mazar, Piss, and a Blue Kush mom. But I'm a sucker for variety. I cut my clones 3 weeks before harvest. 1 week to root and 2 weeks to veg. But you need a mom. The short veg time also helps the plants to have a slightly smaller final size, but in our setups is the right mix for light penetration.
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Thats a very nice selection. I got very little room for a mother.
I figured I could keep a couple bonsai mums or one very small one.

Well thats what I have been thinking, I need a slightly smaller finish size. This first time around I let them get I think 15 inches before flower. I found thats a bit too much. It looks like a finish height is about three time the size of the plant when I flip to 12/12.

So without a screen I am going to run out of height real quick. I want to try it with a great root structure but real short, like 8 to 10 inches and see if I can get mini trees like SOG with eight to ten plants and all main colas weighing at 1 oz dry. about 2 to 2 1/2 foot tall.

My goal is eight oz dried and cured from each harvest.

Do you think I should be looking at a different strain? I was thinking AK-47 from serious seeds, but I don't know about the smell. Sounds like its pretty strong but I think I can work with that.
That or maybe White Russian.

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cruzer101

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snow4aaron said:
You take clones from the vegging plants, correct?
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Yea Arron, thats the norm but you will find I try different things. I have taken clones at two weeks into flower with no problem so I figured why not try four weeks. I wound need to leave the lower growth there longer but the time frame for a perpetual grow will be there.

The idea is to have fat little clones ready when I cut so I can continue to get a harvest every two months off each cabinet with no down time.

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Integra21

Integra21

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I flower my clones as soon as they grow their first set of leaves for them selves. Usually between 6-8inches. And you can see in my journal how tall they get. Makes thm about the perfect size for people with height reqirements like us. But this size can vary by strain especially with pure indicas. I only changed from my widow for variety and a faster flower, seeing as all of my widows took 11 weeks. Shooting more for that 8 week slot. But once I get my second and third flower area set up, that will change, having a different strain in each setup, lookiing to double-triple my curent setup exact copy. I want over a pound per total harvest and would like alternating flower peroids so I can have a harvest every month or so like yours.
 
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cruzer101

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phreakygoat said:
With your system, how would you adapt it for a mom? also, would you kill the mom when it got too big, or bud it?
or you could get the clones from someone with the strains already, lol.
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Well I could grow the mom next to the floro res. Thats too dry for clones but will work for a mother area. She will have plenty of foliage. I just need to keep her small I guess. Mothers in dirt and would be to large to put into the system so probably kill her or give her away when I want a change.

Maybe I can get a bonsai thing going.

Or yes, I can take clone donations :cry:
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cruzer101

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Integra21 said:
I flower my clones as soon as they grow their first set of leaves for them selves. Usually between 6-8inches. And you can see in my journal how tall they get. Makes thm about the perfect size for people with height reqirements like us. But this size can vary by strain especially with pure indicas. I only changed from my widow for variety and a faster flower, seeing as all of my widows took 11 weeks. Shooting more for that 8 week slot. But once I get my second and third flower area set up, that will change, having a different strain in each setup, lookiing to double-triple my curent setup exact copy. I want over a pound per total harvest and would like alternating flower peroids so I can have a harvest every month or so like yours.
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Ok about strain, I am looking at this:


Breeder : Serious Seeds AK-47
Flowering Time : 53 - 63 Days
Environment : Indoor,Outdoor,GreenHouse
Origin : Holland
Seeds Per Pack : 11




An easy-growing good producer, this strains power earned it the name. More the idea of a "one hit wonder" than anything violent is intended by the name. "AK" has won many awards at the Cannabis Cup and other Cannabis festivals, 6 in total. These plants have a short flowering period, producing hard compact buds which gleam with resin crystals making any farmer proud. Quality without compromise, this is some serious flowerpower. And floral it is- be aware that the odor of these plants.


Current Reviews: 9
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snow4aaron

snow4aaron

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cruzer101 said:
Yea Arron, thats the norm but you will find I try different things. I have taken clones at two weeks into flower with no problem so I figured why not try four weeks. I wound need to leave the lower growth there longer but the time frame for a perpetual grow will be there.

The idea is to have fat little clones ready when I cut so I can continue to get a harvest every two months off each cabinet with no down time.

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Good stuff. I will may try that this time. I trim in week 1 and 3 of flower anyway for SOG, I could clone from those trimmings.
 
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