Dunn murder case in FL

desert dude

desert dude

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schuylaar said:
actually, it did have a case..poor prosecution and over charging defendant..this was voluntary manslaughter clear as day.. and of course stupidity of jurors..remember anyone with a drivers can be a juror, anyone.
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Skylard, pay attention. Z was charged with murder 2, and I agree that was over charged because he should have been charge with nothing. Included with the murder 2 charge Z was ALSO CHARGED WITH MANSLAUGHTER as a lesser included offense. Z was ACQUITTED OF BOTH CHARGES.

I put those facts in a large type to be sure you don't miss them. You clearly did not watch the trial if you don't know these two simple facts, yet you still offer up an opinion. You're a typical progressive.

The jury was all women. Don't get all misogynistic up in here.
 
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schuylaar

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why are you yelling at me?

he was tried on murder 2 end of story..it was prosecutions fault for the over charge..but it was what it was..you can't say M2 and then instruct the jury that proecution would "settle for manslaughter"..you can only try someone on one or the other..they chose wrong.

as for jurors being all women..like i said..anyone gets in with a florida drivers license..have you ever gone to motor vehicle office? when my daughter was 16 we went to FL DMV for her test..i told her took take a good look around, these are the people you must protect yourself FROM..the freakiest people are ALWAYS at DMV and Juror Pool..
 
desert dude

desert dude

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schuylaar said:
why are you yelling at me?

he was tried on murder 2 end of story..it was prosecutions fault for the over charge..but it was what it was..you can't say M2 and then instruct the jury that proecution would "settle for manslaughter"..you can only try someone on one or the other..they chose wrong.

as for jurors being all women..like i said..anyone gets in with a florida drivers license..have you ever gone to motor vehicle office? when my daughter was 16 we went to FL DMV for her test..i told her took take a good look around, these are the people you must protect yourself FROM..the freakiest people are ALWAYS at DMV and Juror Pool..
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You are a moron, end of story.

Maybe one of your proggy friends will tell you the same thing I have told you, and then you can absorb it. Z was acquitted of both M2 and manslaughter. Yes, he was tried on both charges.
 
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schuylaar

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desert dude said:
You are a moron, end of story.

Maybe one of your proggy friends will tell you the same thing I have told you, and then you can absorb it. Z was acquitted of both M2 and manslaughter. Yes, he was tried on both charges.
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1. you are being really rude and i don't understand why
2. you can only be tried on one charge or the other in the state of florida not both concurrently during the same trial over the same person.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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schuylaar said:
1. you are being really rude and i don't understand why
2. you can only be tried on one charge or the other in the state of florida not both concurrently during the same trial over the same person.
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Sky, do yourself a favor and stop posting about this particular sub-topic. Seriously, you are being willfully ignorant and it makes you look dumb. Do a google search. Zimmerman was charged with M2 and manslaughter as a "lesser included offense". He was acquitted on both charges. The fact that you are ignorant of the most basic facts and still pretend that you know what you are talking about makes me embarrassed for you.

Here, maybe you will believe the NY Times:

SANFORD, Fla. — George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a national debate on racial profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late Saturday night of second-degree murder. He was also acquitted of manslaughter, a lesser charge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/george-zimmerman-verdict-trayvon-martin.html?pagewanted=all
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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schuylaar said:
1. you are being really rude and i don't understand why
2. you can only be tried on one charge or the other in the state of florida not both concurrently during the same trial over the same person.
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This morning Judge Debra Nelson ruled that the jury in George Zimmerman's trial may consider manslaughter as a lesser included offense in addition to the charge of second-degree murder brought by the state. Florida law defines manslaughter, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison, as "the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification." Second-degree murder, which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/11/jury-in-zimmerman-trial-will-consider-ma
 
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Bombur

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schuylaar said:
1. you are being really rude and i don't understand why
2. you can only be tried on one charge or the other in the state of florida not both concurrently during the same trial over the same person.
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Holy shit, I can't believe you are this dense.. the facts are being laid in front of you and you simply can't absorb then.
 
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schuylaar

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desert dude said:
Sky, do yourself a favor and stop posting about this particular sub-topic. Seriously, you are being willfully ignorant and it makes you look dumb. Do a google search. Zimmerman was charged with M2 and manslaughter as a "lesser included offense". He was acquitted on both charges. The fact that you are ignorant of the most basic facts and still pretend that you know what you are talking about makes me embarrassed for you.

Here, maybe you will believe the NY Times:

SANFORD, Fla. — George Zimmerman, the neighborhood watch volunteer who fatally shot Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager, igniting a national debate on racial profiling and civil rights, was found not guilty late Saturday night of second-degree murder. He was also acquitted of manslaughter, a lesser charge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/us/george-zimmerman-verdict-trayvon-martin.html?pagewanted=all
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jahbrudda said:
This morning Judge Debra Nelson ruled that the jury in George Zimmerman's trial may consider manslaughter as a lesser included offense in addition to the charge of second-degree murder brought by the state. Florida law defines manslaughter, which carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison, as "the killing of a human being by the act, procurement, or culpable negligence of another, without lawful justification." Second-degree murder, which carries a maximum penalty of life in prison.http://reason.com/blog/2013/07/11/jury-in-zimmerman-trial-will-consider-ma
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there is a point i'm trying to make and i might not be explaining it in terms you'd understand.

i'll have to get back to you on it.

lastly, i was posting on this topic because someone was already posting about it and i wanted to join in on the conversation.
 
desert dude

desert dude

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schuylaar said:
there is a point i'm trying to make and i might not be explaining it in terms you'd understand.

i'll have to get back to you on it.

lastly, i was posting on this topic because someone was already posting about it and i wanted to join in on the conversation.
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You're really baked and it all makes sense inside your skull, but you just can't explain it to the rest of us? Makes sense.

Peace, Skylar.
 
jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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schuylaar said:
there is a point i'm trying to make and i might not be explaining it in terms you'd understand.

i'll have to get back to you on it.

lastly, i was posting on this topic because someone was already posting about it and i wanted to join in on the conversation.
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Are you thinking of double jeopardy?
 
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schuylaar

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jahbrudda said:
Are you thinking of double jeopardy?
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not quite..we were discussing this in my law class it had to do with M2 charge then prosecution asking for and judge allowing lesser charge to be brought in at the end.

there is a point the i want to make, so i will research.

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jahbrudda

jahbrudda

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schuylaar said:
not quite..we were discussing this in my law class it had to do with M2 charge then prosecution asking for and judge allowing lesser charge to be brought in at the end.

there is a point the i want to make, so i will research.

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I'll bet you are talking about the probable cause affidavit for 2nd degree murder possibly being thrown out by the judge before the trial began.
 
UncleBuck

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taking two flashlights and a gun to search for those assholes who always get away is the very definition of self defense.
 
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ChesusRice

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Michael Dunn was found guilty on four charges, including three for attempted second-degree murder, which could land him behind bars for decades. But they couldn't reach a verdict on the most significant charge: first-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis.

Guilty
 
UncleBuck

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why would he get first degree? i thought that was premeditated. i thought he just pulled a zimmerman in the heat of the moment.
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
Michael Dunn was found guilty on four charges, including three for attempted second-degree murder, which could land him behind bars for decades. But they couldn't reach a verdict on the most significant charge: first-degree murder in the death of 17-year-old Jordan Davis.

Guilty
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Hard to prove pre-meditated when it was 2 cars in a parking lot for an extremely brief period of time.

Hopefully he gets the maximum for the other convictions.
 
doublejj

doublejj

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He's facing a mandatory 60 years on the 4 guilty verdicts. He's 47 years old. 60+47= life sentence....
 
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