DWC Questions

Hello I am a caregiver in Michigan trying to change from soil to DWC. Now I know that most ppl dont know this but air cooling sucks. Water cooling is the way to go. I am glad i research thing before I go spend $1000's on fans. I am wondering if i should get a waterfilter, chiller, pvc pipe heat exchangers and cool coil for my res'es before I start dwc. Let me know if I am right. If i am wrong please explain way. Growing in water is better if i dont over feed and keep my water around 60-70f for higher oxygen levels. Now should I start out at like 100 ppm from clone @ 5.5 ph. Now the ph will rise over time right? I am wondering if I should let it rise up to 7.0 ph and then change water add food and just drop the ph back down to 5.5. Now what kind of nutes should I use. Is there a organic hydro base food I can use, or can i use my soil nutes. Now should there be a air gap between the water and the bottom of the netpot so the medium of choice does not get water overload. Any other pointers will help. I dont have pics but if you do please show me and explain and i will learn thanks.
 

stondded

Well-Known Member
keep it simple and by waterfarm or powergrower buckets from your local hydro store they come with nutes. the chiller and all tht for the res's shouldnt b needed if u roo stays the right temp.i wouldnt go over 300ppm for a clone and 5.5 is a good ph. if u run the lucas formula with your buckets, as the water level goes down you add straight water tht has been ph'd of course till u hav added back the the total amount the rez can hold then after tht water has been used u can do a complete change of the rez with fresh nutes(my waterfarms get a frssh nute solution every 4 days about) the res ph shouldnt rise above 6.5ish if u do it this way.the only organic nutes i hav heard of success and minimal maintenance is earth juice's full line i wanna try it nxt run too.
hope some of tht info helps "scottyballs pineapple express" ( think thts the title) is a great read on dwc good luck growin
 
should I get a R/O water filter even for my soil grow. Also my rooms are hitting 75f-80f. I know that the heat should be around 72 all the time. That is one reason why I am getting the water cooling items. Anyone using water cooling for there grow? Now also I noticed that no one explains the in depths of growing. like Do i need a res for each bucket i have or if i have them attached in sets of 6 or 12. Do i need a res for each set of 6 OR 12 cause one set could be on week 1veg and the other set could be in flowering. now I cant give flowering plants week 1 veg nutes correct. So that means i should have a res for each setup i have?
 

lordjin

Well-Known Member
should I get a R/O water filter even for my soil grow. Also my rooms are hitting 75f-80f. I know that the heat should be around 72 all the time. That is one reason why I am getting the water cooling items. Anyone using water cooling for there grow? Now also I noticed that no one explains the in depths of growing. like Do i need a res for each bucket i have or if i have them attached in sets of 6 or 12. Do i need a res for each set of 6 OR 12 cause one set could be on week 1veg and the other set could be in flowering. now I cant give flowering plants week 1 veg nutes correct. So that means i should have a res for each setup i have?
If you do keyword searches like "chiller" or "NFT" or "DWC" you'll get tons of relevant discussions.

I've also seen a lot of great 'general overviews' of hydro growing by some of the more senior posters here.
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
There are a myriad of different ways to grow using DWC. I don't know how you plan to cool your room via water..hopefully you haven't fallen victom to the hype about water cooled lights. Not going to go there, but lets just say.. waste of money. THE most efficient cooling method is using phase change technology or in layman's terms.. good old fashioned air conditioning. Well, not too old fashioned, mini-splits are the fucking bomb!!

At any rate, before you start talking about nutrient and PH levels, you have to have some plants and system to grow them in first. So lets start with the basics... how many plants can you legally grow and how much light power do you have?

I will say that I run a bucket based DWC set-up with a centralized reservoir. This is not a gravity system but uses a ebb/flow control bucket too empty and fill the individual DWC buckets. The buckets are always full of water (about 20 gallons) and there is an additional 20 gallons of water in the rez outside the room. About every 4 hours all the buckets are drained back to the rez where mixing occurs and then it gets pumped back to the buckets.
The major advantage to this system that I can see are as follows:
1. water levels are always maintained at the proper level within the buckets.
2. the water level can easily be adjusted.. high when young, lower when roots are more developed.
3. By having a rez with a larger capacity than the sum total of all the buckets, the nutrient content, PH,a nd temp are buffered.
4. I can easily adjust the PH and PPM of all the nutrients at once, without lifting up each plant and fucking with each bucket. HUGE TIME SAVER!
5. By having a rez I can also chill all the water at once. I have a DIY chiller that cools the rez to about 60 degrees. The water in the buckets gets to about 73 in 8 hours. When the buckets empty into the rez, it mixes with the cold water...tadah... 67 degree water.
6. A float valve and top off tank on the rez can input fresh water or light nutrient solution during times of heavy uptake and evapotranspiration (late flowering). This is significant, almost a half gallon a day per plant..but I grow em big :)
7. The biggest plus is probably the automation factor. I got shit dialed and the buffering aspects of the system REALLY reduce management time. I check and record levels every day but there have been times I let the system run for 7 days without doing a damn thing with no ill effects...try that with a bubble bucket! Nutrient changes are extended to 10 days- 2 weeks.

The disadvantages are:
1. The controller bucket is $125 (chicken feed in the grand scheme of things)
2. There is allot of tubing and connections that can leak if you don't take the time to ""do it right"
3. Moving buckets around that are all connected by hose can be frustrating.
4. end of cycle washing is a little more time consuming.
5. You mix more nutes... not sure if this is a disadvantage as nutriient change times are increased due too the buffering capacity of the system.
6. All the buckets get the same nutrient solution...so running multiple strains that are finicky can present problems.
 

detroitchaos

Active Member
keep it simple and by waterfarm or powergrower buckets from your local hydro store they come with nutes. the chiller and all tht for the res's shouldnt b needed if u roo stays the right temp.i wouldnt go over 300ppm for a clone and 5.5 is a good ph. if u run the lucas formula with your buckets, as the water level goes down you add straight water tht has been ph'd of course till u hav added back the the total amount the rez can hold then after tht water has been used u can do a complete change of the rez with fresh nutes(my waterfarms get a frssh nute solution every 4 days about) the res ph shouldnt rise above 6.5ish if u do it this way.the only organic nutes i hav heard of success and minimal maintenance is earth juice's full line i wanna try it nxt run too.
hope some of tht info helps "scottyballs pineapple express" ( think thts the title) is a great read on dwc good luck growin
He said it best
 

John Jacob

Active Member
its real easy and like stondded said keep it simple.. at first I would forget about the numbers ph this, ppm that.. watch your girl and learn observe how she can take the nutes or by having more oxygen in the water (like you said cooler temps). Chages will occur more quickly than soil but honestly no one set up or strain is identical. Once you get a good base and setup then worry about tweaking it with your ph and such.. no need for RO if you have good tap water that'll do if your really paranoid boil it before hand and let it cool or sit out for a day or so, I personally like the little amount of chlorine from Tap.. keeps the algae away
good luck!
 

mrjones574

Member
I was useing rockwool with B'Cuzz nutes all organic and gentle it was my first grow and i never overdosed them lol
 

legallyflying

Well-Known Member
Ph always below 6.5. If your growing in water it makes sense to know exactly what is coming out of the tap. At the very least, ppm and chlorine or chloramine levels. Check your water bureau website.
 
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