DWC Root Slime Cure aka How to Breed Beneficial Microbes

Stomate

Active Member
Trichoderma needs an inoculant medium to function ie soil, peat, coco coir. They have no function in hydro since there's no medium to inoculate.

They will die off and convert to possible bad bacteria cultures. It's better to focus on simple cultures that are known to be effective instead of using products intended for soil and growing in containers.

You want to kill of bad bacteria cultures and there's no more effective than bacillus amyloliquefaciens doing that.
I also experienced precipitations with Pool Shock and Jacks 321 but never experienced problems with regular bleach(sodium hypochlorite). This was 10+ years ago.

Have you tried regular bleach(sodium hypochlorite) instead of pool shock(calcium hypochlorite)? I've found regular bleach is often way more cleaner with less inerts, it's made for cleaning without leaving any residues at higher concentrations after all and pool shock is for disinfecting pools at lower concentrations.

If I do a comparison the solution with Calcium hypochlorite is milky with a lot of residues in the bottom and the other is crystal clear with sodium hypochlorite. I troubleshooted this exact problem many years ago.

Cheers!
I tried bleach in solution once my first go around and it ended that first round within hours of adding it. Added 7 ml to an ~ 40 gallon system. According the calculator I used back then it should have been fine.
the solution was RO water, botanicare calmag and Floraflex nutes
 

amneziaHaze

Well-Known Member
Trichoderma needs an inoculant medium to function ie soil, peat, coco coir. They have no function in hydro since there's no medium to inoculate.

They will die off and convert to possible bad bacteria cultures. It's better to focus on simple cultures that are known to be effective instead of using products intended for soil and growing in containers.

You want to kill of bad bacteria cultures and there's no more effective than bacillus amyloliquefaciens doing that.
i cant find the paper now but it survives in water with no problem and in pH from 2-12 it sticks to the roots and makes a gel around the roots making basically a second skin. but it swims in the water with no problem and kills anything by making a bubble around it. i have been growing with it for 5 years and it never made any bad bacteria. you know how much of them you put in one tea spoon they instantly become the dominant species and after 1week they colonize all the roots.you can res change how ever you want the water will always have them after that.

i have allsoo had an overpopulation by introducing too much bacteria making my solution pH swing like crazy
i guess all the info you are saying you are pulling out of thin air

the whole world uses trichoderma to treat sewage water soo your lies about it not living in water and not being able to work drops down


The genera Pseudomonas and Trichoderma were recognized for their solid antagonistic traits, which make them highly effective biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems. The latest findings indicate their ability to significantly reduce disease severity index (DSI) through mycoparasitism, antibiosis, and induced systemic resistance. In aquaponic systems, the inoculation with Bacillus subtilis and Azospirillum brasilense demonstrated increased dissolved oxygen, improving water quality parameters and benefiting plant and fish growth and metabolism

Trichoderma harzianum enhanced leaf nutrient concentration, resulting in overall yield growth (by 10.91%) and better mass accumulation as dry root matter and chlorophyll index [27]. Similarly, Ribeiro et al. [28] pointed out that the consortium of A. brasilense with B. subtilis had a similar trend, increasing maize seedlings in hydroponics by 36% and enhancing parameters such as nutrient content and plant biomass.

Trichoderma have been extensively studied (as shown in Figure 5) and have demonstrated high efficacy in reducing the severity of the disease index (SDI) and inducing defense mechanisms in plants. Beneficial microorganisms such as Pseudomonas and Trichoderma, in combination with Fusarium solani, have shown effective colonization of the rhizosphere and demonstrated mycoparasitism, antibiosis production, nutrient competition, and Induced Systemic Resistance (ISR) in plants. When tested in hydroponically grown zucchini, these species increased resistance to the phytopathogen Phytophthora capsici, resulting in better yields and reducing losses caused by crown rot. Hence, they exhibit great potential as biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems

Trichoderma polysporum and T. harzianum exhibited strong antagonistic traits when applied in combination with the bacterium Streptomyces griseoviridis against Phytophthora cryptogea [64]. Inoculated in consortium with Gliocladium catenulatum and Pseudomonas chlororaphis, they outcompeted Fusarium oxysporum for niche and nutrients and successfully reduced its spore germination [66]. Mycoparasitism has also been determined to be an effective mechanism for inhibiting the pathogenic mycelial growth of Cercospora hypha, which causes foliar disease
 
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Stomate

Active Member
i cant find the paper now but it survives in water with no problem and in pH from 2-12 it sticks to the roots and makes a gel around the roots making basically a second skin. but it swims in the water with no problem and kills anything by making a bubble around it. i have been growing with it for 5 years and it never made any bad bacteria. you know how much of them you put in one tea spoon they instantly become the dominant species and after 1week they colonize all the roots.you can res change how ever you want the water will always have them after that.

i have allsoo had an overpopulation by introducing too much bacteria making my solution pH swing like crazy
i guess all the info you are saying you are pulling out of thin air

the whole world uses trichoderma to treat sewage water soo your lies about it not living in water and not being able to work drops down


The genera Pseudomonas and Trichoderma were recognized for their solid antagonistic traits, which make them highly effective biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems. The latest findings indicate their ability to significantly reduce disease severity index (DSI) through mycoparasitism, antibiosis, and induced systemic resistance. In aquaponic systems, the inoculation with Bacillus subtilis and Azospirillum brasilense demonstrated increased dissolved oxygen, improving water quality parameters and benefiting plant and fish growth and metabolism

Trichoderma harzianum enhanced leaf nutrient concentration, resulting in overall yield growth (by 10.91%) and better mass accumulation as dry root matter and chlorophyll index [27]. Similarly, Ribeiro et al. [28] pointed out that the consortium of A. brasilense with B. subtilis had a similar trend, increasing maize seedlings in hydroponics by 36% and enhancing parameters such as nutrient content and plant biomass.

Trichoderma have been extensively studied (as shown in Figure 5) and have demonstrated high efficacy in reducing the severity of the disease index (SDI) and inducing defense mechanisms in plants. Beneficial microorganisms such as Pseudomonas and Trichoderma, in combination with Fusarium solani, have shown effective colonization of the rhizosphere and demonstrated mycoparasitism, antibiosis production, nutrient competition, and Induced Systemic Resistance (ISR) in plants. When tested in hydroponically grown zucchini, these species increased resistance to the phytopathogen Phytophthora capsici, resulting in better yields and reducing losses caused by crown rot. Hence, they exhibit great potential as biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems

Trichoderma polysporum and T. harzianum exhibited strong antagonistic traits when applied in combination with the bacterium Streptomyces griseoviridis against Phytophthora cryptogea [64]. Inoculated in consortium with Gliocladium catenulatum and Pseudomonas chlororaphis, they outcompeted Fusarium oxysporum for niche and nutrients and successfully reduced its spore germination [66]. Mycoparasitism has also been determined to be an effective mechanism for inhibiting the pathogenic mycelial growth of Cercospora hypha, which causes foliar disease
Interesting! I’ll have to look father into this
 

Wastei

Well-Known Member
i cant find the paper now but it survives in water with no problem and in pH from 2-12 it sticks to the roots and makes a gel around the roots making basically a second skin. but it swims in the water with no problem and kills anything by making a bubble around it. i have been growing with it for 5 years and it never made any bad bacteria. you know how much of them you put in one tea spoon they instantly become the dominant species and after 1week they colonize all the roots.you can res change how ever you want the water will always have them after that.

i have allsoo had an overpopulation by introducing too much bacteria making my solution pH swing like crazy
i guess all the info you are saying you are pulling out of thin air

the whole world uses trichoderma to treat sewage water soo your lies about it not living in water and not being able to work drops down


The genera Pseudomonas and Trichoderma were recognized for their solid antagonistic traits, which make them highly effective biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems. The latest findings indicate their ability to significantly reduce disease severity index (DSI) through mycoparasitism, antibiosis, and induced systemic resistance. In aquaponic systems, the inoculation with Bacillus subtilis and Azospirillum brasilense demonstrated increased dissolved oxygen, improving water quality parameters and benefiting plant and fish growth and metabolism

Trichoderma harzianum enhanced leaf nutrient concentration, resulting in overall yield growth (by 10.91%) and better mass accumulation as dry root matter and chlorophyll index [27]. Similarly, Ribeiro et al. [28] pointed out that the consortium of A. brasilense with B. subtilis had a similar trend, increasing maize seedlings in hydroponics by 36% and enhancing parameters such as nutrient content and plant biomass.

Trichoderma have been extensively studied (as shown in Figure 5) and have demonstrated high efficacy in reducing the severity of the disease index (SDI) and inducing defense mechanisms in plants. Beneficial microorganisms such as Pseudomonas and Trichoderma, in combination with Fusarium solani, have shown effective colonization of the rhizosphere and demonstrated mycoparasitism, antibiosis production, nutrient competition, and Induced Systemic Resistance (ISR) in plants. When tested in hydroponically grown zucchini, these species increased resistance to the phytopathogen Phytophthora capsici, resulting in better yields and reducing losses caused by crown rot. Hence, they exhibit great potential as biocontrol agents in hydroponic systems

Trichoderma polysporum and T. harzianum exhibited strong antagonistic traits when applied in combination with the bacterium Streptomyces griseoviridis against Phytophthora cryptogea [64]. Inoculated in consortium with Gliocladium catenulatum and Pseudomonas chlororaphis, they outcompeted Fusarium oxysporum for niche and nutrients and successfully reduced its spore germination [66]. Mycoparasitism has also been determined to be an effective mechanism for inhibiting the pathogenic mycelial growth of Cercospora hypha, which causes foliar disease
If you want the benefits and genetic response triggers from a wide range bacteria cultures it's much safer and effective to foliar feed to trigger the response.

Like I said earlier trichoderma do very little positive in water cultures and hydro since the nutrients are already in readily available form and there's more active bacteria cultures more effective at keeping a nutrient solution stable than trichoderma. Creating a barrier of biofilm only worsen nutrient uptake in a hydroponic setting.

But you're free to do whatever you want but it's not a matter of if but when you will run in to problems not following recommendations. We are not treating sewage water, we are growing medicinal plants. Trichoderma doesn't live long in water cultures and you're free to do your own in house tests. I've troubleshooted all of this 15+ years and I'm not lying when I'm saying most people experience problems with very little to no benefits adding trichoderma to water cultures.

You also stated that you've had problems with pH swings adding a wide range of bacteria cultures? Instead why not focus on the stable and safe one that people been using with great results for decades in hydro? I see very little reasons or benefits of re-inventing the wheel when the new blueprint is flawed and worse than the old one?

You can keep copy pasting and finding information supporting your claims but it won't help you to better understand the subject matter, you need hands on experience for that.

Cheers!
 
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Wastei

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I tried bleach in solution once my first go around and it ended that first round within hours of adding it. Added 7 ml to an ~ 40 gallon system. According the calculator I used back then it should have been fine.
the solution was RO water, botanicare calmag and Floraflex nutes
That sounds like a grower error. People have been using sodium hypochlorite in commercial hydro for well over 50 years. You mean they are wrong too in their practice? The problem is not often the method it's how the growers been implementing it.

There's too many growers using oxidizers in hydro with a wide range of nutrient solutions for it to be a problem. I also failed at my first attempt using pool shock, but instead of blaming the method I corrected and got great results. You want a clear bleach solution without any precipitations in the solution (being cloudy) for best results.

When you add Calmag on top Floraflex it tells me you need to educate yourself more about plant nutrition, minerals and their ratios and concentrations. More is not always better growing Cannabis, it's most often the other way around with less is more mentality.

Cheers!
 

amneziaHaze

Well-Known Member
Why dont you send me a reaserch that proves what you are saying.i gave you a paper with 20 references all saying you get bigger better plant and you say nah it blocks intake.

Allsoo it kills many stuff and you say nah i grown weed for 15 years never used it it doesnt work

And water tretment people dont put new trichoderma from a garden.the colonies are kept alive with airration of the water
 
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