Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

HomeBrewer,

What's the ml of each product you use per gallon of R/O water from the DG line?
Also wanted to asked you if using Great White makes a different on your final yield.

mr.smileyface said:

An experianced grower told me it was bad for the roots. I dont believe that as i had an increase in yeild. And i use soilless so its more available to the plants and which is why you are sappose to use less. In hydro your using double the amount i am using. It is very akailine so i dont need ph up when i had a half cup to 55 gal.
The only problem i could see is using to much of it. I cut it out near the end because i stress my plants the last week. The last week i turn my thermostat down to 20c so i have increase airflow 24/7 to bring out more color.

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My understanding is Silica = Sand -I seriously doubt it's bad for roots... I'm sure desert plants are highly dependant on healthy root structure...

https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/395741-testing-beneficial-bacteria-ebb-flow.html is when Homebrewer tested Great White you can read it and make our own analysis supplemented with his view.

Also, he probably posts the amounts in each of his journals but since this is the most recent one check one of the pages. Probably closer to the start of the journal

Natalie Ghost said:

HomeBrewer,

What's the ml of each product you use per gallon of R/O water from the DG line?
Also wanted to asked you if using Great White makes a different on your final yield.

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Desert plants rely on very good drainage because their shallow roots are very suseptable to rot. I live in Phoenix, Arizona and have grown countless cacti. Killed most due to over watering >.< haha

Here is a little update on my dynagrow dwc/ebb low nute level grow. Ph has always been stable, and I am now feeding at about 300ppm or .6EC. Now that we are at day 51 they are eating less, taking a 20 gallon res down about 2 gallons and 15 ppm overnight. I must confess that I'm more of an ebb and flow grow now. I have a net basket full of hydroton above aerated water in each bucket. 6 times a day I exchange the nute solution with a 15 minute flood cycle that floods the basket of hydroton. My buckets are NOT full of roots like my previous waterfarm grows, but the hydroton is full of roots. My plants still show no deficiencys at all, no curl on the fan leaves, and just the right level of "greenness". I am starting to think that roots would rather live above water than under it... even with a ton of bubbles.

homebrewer said:

I guess we'll take him at his word since he 'tested' eight different nutrient brands yet failed to post even one picture??? I'm also wondering why his gpw measurements are so low, new grower maybe?

EDIT: One thing I also noticed is that he was running 12 plants per 1000 watt light, 8 lights so I'm assuming a different nute line under each light. His DynaGro average is under 2 ounces per plant and I easily exceed that with 9 plants under 600 watters. So again, newer grower?

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I noticed you use way too much nitrogen in the flowering part of your grows. that is why your not yielding as much as you should be. are you a rep for dynagrow or something?

Grizzdude said:

I noticed you use way too much nitrogen in the flowering part of your grows. that is why your not yielding as much as you should be. are you a rep for dynagrow or something?

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Are you looking at Homebrewer's numbers, OR his pics? It's sort of weird to say he's using "way" too much nitrogen when the plants look like they do. Plants grow by what they need in their current environment, NOT by what a formula label dictates may work, a good grower will read his plants and adapt. It would be more prudent to read the whole thread, and his others before making assumptions and consequently accusational statements such that he has alterior motives. From what I can tell, this is among the few that is giving honest info out there, it's not surprising his data conflicts with some mainstream info. Like he said- he has pics, everything else without must be taken with a grain of salt. You probably didn't mean to come off so bad, but think about what it sounds like when you just pop in the thread without obviously taking the time to read all the info- and then posting these things... For what it's worth- I take everyone's advice with a grain of salt, because all of our conditions are different, and I'm starting to believe that has alot to do with what works for each individual setup...

Trichy Bastard said:

Are you looking at Homebrewer's numbers, OR his pics? It's sort of weird to say he's using "way" too much nitrogen when the plants look like they do. Plants grow by what they need in their current environment, NOT by what a formula label dictates may work, a good grower will read his plants and adapt. It would be more prudent to read the whole thread, and his others before making assumptions and consequently accusational statements such that he has alterior motives. From what I can tell, this is among the few that is giving honest info out there, it's not surprising his data conflicts with some mainstream info. Like he said- he has pics, everything else without must be taken with a grain of salt. You probably didn't mean to come off so bad, but think about what it sounds like when you just pop in the thread without obviously taking the time to read all the info- and then posting these things... For what it's worth- I take everyone's advice with a grain of salt, because all of our conditions are different, and I'm starting to believe that has alot to do with what works for each individual setup...

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I'm talking about all his pics and other posts. How can you trust someone who doesn't even flush correctly. He even started a thread a while back stating Why does my bud taste like shit? His plants are way too green during the last two weeks of harvest. I've seen a lot of bad info out of him

Well, obviously no one is perfect. I am sure five years from now he will laugh at how he used to do things- as we all will. But the fact is that his grows, writing skills, and tests are entertaining and provide another piece fo the puzzle for me. Compare it to your posts that are just inflammitory and condescending so far in someone else's thread that you don't have to be a part of if you don't agree. I'm not rippin on ya, it's not the way I am- just trying to make a point. You could have made the same point by giving a little respect and wording stuff like "Hey, in my experience and from what I've read, I think feeding less nitrogen could prove to be beneficial". The way you word things- all your gonna do is kill the environment for good informational exchange. I see it all the time here though, and just don't get it.

Added: Perhaps you could be more constructive and let us know your feeding schedule and conditions that would apparently work better? I'm all ears- cuz I'm here to learn... And the statement about flushing I will give my thoughts on. Mother nature tends to be quite efficient. When was the last time you saw a plant getting flushed in the wild? If there is any reason to flush, it's because the plant has been nearly poisoned by feeding it way too much ( a common mistake in my opinion), and then you're just making an equal inverse mistake to try to balance the issue. Don't overfeed, don't flush... Seems perfectly logical to me... Would it be too much to ask if you have any pics to example that your grows are superior?

Grizzdude said:

I'm talking about all his pics and other posts. How can you trust someone who doesn't even flush correctly. He even started a thread a while back stating Why does my bud taste like shit? His plants are way too green during the last two weeks of harvest. I've seen a lot of bad info out of him

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Interesting choice for complaints how about i make one. How exactly do you get 755 posts without a single picture of anything you have grown? for that matter it seems as though you havent opened a thread of your own in almost a full year.

Aside from plants in the wild not ever having the ability to flush. how many plants have smoked/ate/smelled that tasted like nutrients? ive aquired at least 80+ strains in my smoking career and never have i ever had weed that smelled anything like the nutrients I've used.

Garbage weed didnt become that way from not flushing your plants. it came from mexico and poorly tended outdoor grows

Grizzdude said:

I'm talking about all his pics and other posts. How can you trust someone who doesn't even flush correctly. He even started a thread a while back stating Why does my bud taste like shit? His plants are way too green during the last two weeks of harvest. I've seen a lot of bad info out of him

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i have read most of hb post and i dont recall him saying his bud taste like shit, can u find this quote maybe u misread it as i know he does not flush anymore

who here uses silica all the way threw flowering and the start of flowering? i keep getting a feeling the silica is making my girls not flower? i was reading the Dyna gro web page and i seen this while reading threw the silica

Silicon deficiencies often are indicated by malformation of young leaves and a failure of
pollination and fruit formation in many cases. Plants with silicon added to the nutrient formula
also show delayed leaf and flower senescence. The shelf life of cut flowers, specialty pot crops and
plugs is also extended. Leaves are thicker and darker green compared to those grown without
soluble silicon.

maybe i am too high but is it saying silica delayed flowering? or am i reading that wrong and thats not what their talking about? how many people use silica all the way threw and still have their plants flower just fine?

irishboy said:

who here uses silica all the way threw flowering and the start of flowering? i keep getting a feeling the silica is making my girls not flower? i was reading the Dyna gro web page and i seen this while reading threw the silica

Silicon deficiencies often are indicated by malformation of young leaves and a failure of
pollination and fruit formation in many cases. Plants with silicon added to the nutrient formula
also show delayed leaf and flower senescence. The shelf life of cut flowers, specialty pot crops and
plugs is also extended. Leaves are thicker and darker green compared to those grown without

soluble silicon.

maybe i am too high but is it saying silica delayed flowering? or am i reading that wrong and thats not what their talking about? how many people use silica all the way threw and still have their plants flower just fine?

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You scared me for a second- when I saw that statement, I thought you might be right, but senescence is a biological term with it's root being something similar to "senile". The statement probably means that the flowers will last longer without dying of old age, not that they will fail to mature. This would make sense as silicon is known to strengthen the cells and protect them from damage. Although only a few runs, I used silicon from start to finish. I had better than average results, with room for improvement, none of which had anything to do with delayed flowering, but just normal learning curve stuff. I am fairly certain that Homebrewer uses it the full grow, but I don't wanna answer for him. If you are feeding to much nitrogen, it can delay flowering. Also, if you expose them to any light during the dark cycle- even just a minute or so, or perhaps a nightlight/status light in the room, it can reset the flowering stage I've read. Any of this seem applicable?

Trichy Bastard said:

You scared me for a second- when I saw that statement, I thought you might be right, but senescence is a biological term with it's root being something similar to "senile". The statement probably means that the flowers will last longer without dying of old age, not that they will fail to mature. This would make sense as silicon is known to strengthen the cells and protect them from damage. Although only a few runs, I used silicon from start to finish. I had better than average results, with room for improvement, none of which had anything to do with delayed flowering, but just normal learning curve stuff. I am fairly certain that Homebrewer uses it the full grow, but I don't wanna answer for him. If you are feeding to much nitrogen, it can delay flowering. Also, if you expose them to any light during the dark cycle- even just a minute or so, or perhaps a nightlight/status light in the room, it can reset the flowering stage I've read. Any of this seem applicable?

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lol. sorry didnt mean to scare u bro. i scared myself.lol

everything is in check and i am almost certain its the high temps from the summer heat and not being able to use A/C in the grow room messing with the flowering. i just wanted to check and make sure because Protekt is something new for me to use in flowering, ive used in veg. no light leeks, not high N or anything like that. just high temps and silica are new,

just wanted to make sure others have used silica before in flowering and didnt have any issue with their plants not flowering?

how much pro-tekt is everyone using per gal? i am in SunShine#4

Hah- cool man... To be honest, the silicone is supposed to help the plants ability to deal with heat stress, as it strengthens cells and therefore their ability to retain moisture (just regurgitating what I read). I believe HB uses a constant 5ml/gal throughout the grow- but check back a few pages to be sure because that's for hydro, not soil. I'm getting a little self conscious about over posting in here, when he gets back he's gonna be like "WTF!" hehe - For what it's worth- nice nuggs in your pic man... I remember seeing your grow realtime (I think that was the one from a few months back?)

Edit: I don't think he uses silica in the soil- most soil already has it in it's natural composition. I still don't think you can really od on the stuff though. I read that tomatoes are "silica loving" so now I am growing the hugest soil cherry tomatoes I've ever had with silica- maybe a coincidence- but each bush is like 5 feet tall and 6 feet wide- monsters~!

I use 5 mls/ of protekt per gallon all the way thru with no probs....My plants are stronger, healthier and no more PM.....

Trichy Bastard said:

Hah- cool man... To be honest, the silicone is supposed to help the plants ability to deal with heat stress, as it strengthens cells and therefore their ability to retain moisture (just regurgitating what I read). I believe HB uses a constant 5ml/gal throughout the grow- but check back a few pages to be sure because that's for hydro, not soil. I'm getting a little self conscious about over posting in here, when he gets back he's gonna be like "WTF!" hehe - For what it's worth- nice nuggs in your pic man... I remember seeing your grow realtime (I think that was the one from a few months back?)

Edit: I don't think he uses silica in the soil- most soil already has it in it's natural composition. I still don't think you can really od on the stuff though. I read that tomatoes are "silica loving" so now I am growing the hugest soil cherry tomatoes I've ever had with silica- maybe a coincidence- but each bush is like 5 feet tall and 6 feet wide- monsters~!

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thanks bro, those nugs were grown last year in 105F temps with $10 nutes from homedepot.lol. my last grow ur talking a few months back was a 100% organic grow, witch turned out insane quality. i will no longer had chemical bloom boosters and will always have seaweed and guano's instead.

as of right now i have been feeding 5ml per gal, silica is a must since i am dealing with very high temps, witch i think i can pull off, i mean my room has been 110F and my plants are sexy looking but i am not running HID and dont have radiant heat beaming down on my girl.

mdanforth said:

I use 5 mls/ of protekt per gallon all the way thru with no probs....My plants are stronger, healthier and no more PM.....

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thanks my friend

I've often wondered if the silica we add to our plants could be harming the final user. I'm leaning toward probably not, but found this article that suggests it could be a cancer hazard. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2001/02/23/246895.htm

@ Grizzdude got pics of your grow? whats your nute formula like?what are you pulling down every harvest?why do you flush, is it because you over feed your plants to the point they are fried? you shouldnt come over to this thread the way you did.you should of thanked the man for his time and efforts at least he wants to help.

@ Trichy hope ya found a good nute schedule.If ya notice hb has not been around that much like his other threads, i bet it's because of people like Grizzdude that come off all wierd.he is gonna kill it for people like you and i who want that lb per 600 watt

I actually agree with HB about not flushing. he is absolutely right about plants needed nutes all the way up to their harvest date. I do however cut back my nutes quite heavily as the plants needs are cut substantially. Personally I cut back nutes starting roughly 2 weeks prior to guestimate of harvest. I begin taking it down about 10-15% a feeding till I reach a reduction of 70%. I also do 3 flushes in last 2 weeks, including a final flush just a few days prior to harvest.