Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

dickkhead said:

What about medi one 4-3-3 from dr hornby it's a 1 part nute company it got voted best nute 2011 at the grow expo in Spain

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I wasn't aware the topic here was "Name that obscure nute brand"

Trichy Bastard said:

I wasn't aware the topic here was "Name that obscure nute brand"

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I heard its good but thick and not good for Hydro

Lucius Vorenus said:

I heard its good but thick and not good for Hydro

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thanks good to know

Trichy Bastard said:

I wasn't aware the topic here was "Name that obscure nute brand"

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simply asking for feed back on something thats gotten such high ratings and is a 1 part thats all

Sorry if that sounded cocky... I had just woke up and thought I was being funny...

Trichy Bastard said:

Sorry if that sounded cocky... I had just woke up and thought I was being funny...

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lol np. I think i took it wrong

so after talking to a DG rep I asked him about there other formulas like orchid pro and all pro and for med MJ he said use gro, foliage pro, bloom, protekt, kln and mag pro, for best results and he also said my yellowing could be from mixing bloom with grow or foliage pro its a common thing that has been happening when people do so and he doesnt know why but he said stick with either gro or bloom as a stand alone and around week 3- 5 go straight to bloom from there on out

dickkhead said:

so after talking to a DG rep I asked him about there other formulas like orchid pro and all pro and for med MJ he said use gro, foliage pro, bloom, protekt, kln and mag pro, for best results and he also said my yellowing could be from mixing bloom with grow or foliage pro its a common thing that has been happening when people do so and he doesnt know why but he said stick with either gro or bloom as a stand alone and around week 3- 5 go straight to bloom from there on out

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Interesting, I don't understand how mixing them would be bad. If you want to follow his advice, then go back to the grow only until the yellowing is under control. Of course as I mentioned in PM- if it's just a leaf here and there it's normal. Homebrewer will tell you himself that the overall look of the plant is the way to gauge it (not a leaf here and there) which I also believe is good advice and agree fully.

Trichy Bastard said:

Interesting, I don't understand how mixing them would be bad. If you want to follow his advice, then go back to the grow only until the yellowing is under control. Of course as I mentioned in PM- if it's just a leaf here and there it's normal. Homebrewer will tell you himself that the overall look of the plant is the way to gauge it (not a leaf here and there) which I also believe is good advice and agree fully.

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yea I totally agree I Just thought it was weird that the plant was green while using grow only then when i mixed in 1/4 tsp of bloom it yellowed? but yea for now Im doing just grow on one plant and going to try to go to just bloom on the other the plant that had alot of yellowing will get just grow for now

dickkhead said:

so after talking to a DG rep I asked him about there other formulas like orchid pro and all pro and for med MJ he said use gro, foliage pro, bloom, protekt, kln and mag pro, for best results and he also said my yellowing could be from mixing bloom with grow or foliage pro its a common thing that has been happening when people do so and he doesnt know why but he said stick with either gro or bloom as a stand alone and around week 3- 5 go straight to bloom from there on out

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Mixing them will cause zero issues. In dirt, bloom-only will cause yellowing and I mix 50/50 bloom/ grow in their concentrated forms. This is what I'll feed with when the plants are nice and green and really don't need more 'grow' formula. I consider that 50/50 mix to be my 'booster' in the dirt .

homebrewer,

nice grow. Using a very similar setup, but have been running into some airy bud problems as of late. I do not think it is the strains. My lights have been slowly creeping closer and closer to the canopy. Trying to keep the 600s at 20 inches this grow. Is this to far away? How close do you keep you lights. Mine are 600w hps, non- vented without glass.

MM

medicalmary said:

homebrewer,

nice grow. Using a very similar setup, but have been running into some airy bud problems as of late. I do not think it is the strains. My lights have been slowly creeping closer and closer to the canopy. Trying to keep the 600s at 20 inches this grow. Is this to far away? How close do you keep you lights. Mine are 600w hps, non- vented without glass.

MM

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Twenty inches is kinda close but I guess that depends on hood design. I try to shoot for about 24 inches but am sometimes limited by height. How are your temps? Is your bulb less than 10 months old? The only time I see airy buds is when I'm dealing with a sativa-dominant strain and if they weren't airy, then I'd question how much sativa is actually in them . Are all your buds airy or just one part of the plant? Got any pics?

I bet heat is your issue for airy bud. I run my 600 hortilux bulbs like 14" from the tops. Heat will make your buds airy. My bud is dense as hell. Air cooled 600s here. Don't get super anal about light distance either. I've learned less is more (for me anyway when it comes to distance".

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Twenty inches is kinda close but I guess that depends on hood design. I try to shoot for about 24 inches but am sometimes limited by height. How are your temps? Is your bulb less than 10 months old? The only time I see airy buds is when I'm dealing with a sativa-dominant strain and if they weren't airy, then I'd question how much sativa is actually in them . Are all your buds airy or just one part of the plant? Got any pics?

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My temps run no higher than 80F at canopy level. Buds lower down on plant tend to be more airy probably due to light penetration, however, overall the yield is significantly lower than your last round. I run 6 plants under 1200 watts and pull marginally more than you do. Strains are not sativa dominant. At most they are 50/50 hybrids. One or two I run are 70/30 sativa, but I'm taking that into consideration. The hoods I have direct light out rather than straight down. I'm backing them up for this round to 22-24 inches and I'm going to see what happens. Here is a picture of what I think is not the densest bud. This is bubba kush that was harvested a month ago.



thanks for the response,

mm

medicalmary said:

My temps run no higher than 80F at canopy level. Buds lower down on plant tend to be more airy probably due to light penetration, however, overall the yield is significantly lower than your last round. I run 6 plants under 1200 watts and pull marginally more than you do. Strains are not sativa dominant. At most they are 50/50 hybrids. One or two I run are 70/30 sativa, but I'm taking that into consideration. The hoods I have direct light out rather than straight down. I'm backing them up for this round to 22-24 inches and I'm going to see what happens. Here is a picture of what I think is not the densest bud. This is bubba kush that was harvested a month ago.

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thanks for the response,

mm

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Hood design is huge. I use Hydrofarm Radiant hoods because they do a great job at focusing light downward. I also have a 6" air-cooled sun system hood that spreads light out more and my yields from that tray are usually a pound at the most which is a few ounces less than I'm used to. Bud density doesn't seem to be the issue with that hood, it just doesn't penetrate well so the lower branches don't develop quite like they should.

What plant food are you using? I took a peek at your journal and I saw that you like 1.5-1-1.5 for the beginning of flowering. What do you run during the middle of flowering? Connoisseur yielded leafy buds of lower density as compared to GH, DG or even my current H&G grow. I attribute that to the NPK ratio which might be ok for dirt but sucks for hydro. I like something around 1-3-2 for hydro but of course one must 'keep 'em green' in the beginning too.

Are you sure you can't blame the density issue on the strain? Is density the issue or is the overall yield what you're concerned with? 1200watts for 6 plants is a lot of light. Personally I run 9 dirt girls per 600 which only yields 2-3 ounces per plant, but the overall yield of the group is quite good considering the wattage. Can you add more plants and space out your light a little?

homebrewer said:

Hood design is huge. I use Hydrofarm Radiant hoods because they do a great job at focusing light downward. I also have a 6" air-cooled sun system hood that spreads light out more and my yields from that tray are usually a pound at the most which is a few ounces less than I'm used to. Bud density doesn't seem to be the issue with that hood, it just doesn't penetrate well so the lower branches don't develop quite like they should.

What plant food are you using? I took a peek at your journal and I saw that you like 1.5-1-1.5 for the beginning of flowering. What do you run during the middle of flowering? Connoisseur yielded leafy buds of lower density as compared to GH, DG or even my current H&G grow. I attribute that to the NPK ratio which might be ok for dirt but sucks for hydro. I like something around 1-3-2 for hydro but of course one must 'keep 'em green' in the beginning too.

Are you sure you can't blame the density issue on the strain? Is density the issue or is the overall yield what you're concerned with? 1200watts for 6 plants is a lot of light. Personally I run 9 dirt girls per 600 which only yields 2-3 ounces per plant, but the overall yield of the group is quite good considering the wattage. Can you add more plants and space out your light a little?

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The hoods for the 600s are off brand. They are "dynamyx". Judging from the footprint they cast, they direct more light out than straight down (however, I have never tinkered around with a PAR or lumen meter). Also, they are taller than most 600 hoods, so the light needs to travel farther to be reflected. Key word is they were cheap at the time.

During mid/late flower I water at approximately 1-3-2 level. I use dynagro. Mix of gro/bloom, add protekt. I water during very early flower at a higher nitrogen lower phosphorus level, but transition by week 2 after initial stretch. This sets bud formation back a bit. I use promix#4 and perlite as a medium.

As far as overall yield, my density is not the greatest, but the volume of flowers (or non-swollen calyxes) harvested remains very similar to previous rounds. Might be strain dependent. I've been trying different strains for the last 4 grows, however, none of the yields have been great so I'm double checking every aspect of the way I grow. I've talked to people that I got the strains from that didn't pan out and they seemed pleased with them, however, I have only seen them in my setup.

Plant numbers are set for the time as this is an Oregon Medical Grow and I'm at my limits. There are too few plants under 1200w, but I make it work with the scrog. Ah, the quest to move ever so close to the mythic 1 g/ watt.

I've been meaning to try serious seeds. I'll pick up some of the ak47 and try it out. They seem very stable and not a shot in the dark.

Thanks,

mm

Home brewer would a pk 13/14 have any benefit or using shooting powder? I have some left over and was thinking it will help fatten things up!

dickkhead said:

Home brewer would a pk 13/14 have any benefit or using shooting powder? I have some left over and was thinking it will help fatten things up!

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I think DG's bloom already supplies plenty of P and K but if you have it sitting around, give it a try I guess.

Great Job HB,

Very impressed by your journal. It helped a lot.
I went out and purchased the Dyna-gro line with some other products you statedyou used and extra root stimulator.
I’ve read through the journals but as a newer guy I’m still a little confusedand was wondering if I could get some help with organizing a solidfeed/watering cycle.
I’m getting conflicting info from my hydro store guy, your journal and thefeeding charts on the websites.

I’m using

-400w MH(grow)
HPS(Bloom)
-pro-mix soil
-RO spring water
-Fiber root pouch pots
-home made yeast co2

I went a purchased the Dyna-gro 4( grow,bloom,mag-pro,pro-tek) I also grabbedthe GH floralicious plus and General Organics Bio Root. I did not get thecal-mag or Koolbloom that you made mention to.

Can you please help me with a feed/watering cycle (ml to L) with the productsabove. What to add for feed and what to add to water. Could you advise onKoolbloom's significance from your perspective and if you feel it’s necessarywhile using Floralicious plus and if yes can you include how you would add itto the F/W cycle.
Also I’m a bit unclear with the cal-mag. Or am I good to go with just Mag-pro?the only other product I have is a Nutrilife H202 liquid Oxidizer that I wastold was great from adding oxygen to water.
Below is an example of what someone had posted on yourjournal that you said yours was similar too.
This is for recirculating systems:

Recirculating

GRO BLM TEK MAG KLN
Week 1 7.5ml 0ml. 2.5ml0ml 5ml (650ppm)
Week 2 10ml 0ml 2.5ml0ml 5ml (830ppm)
Week 3 12.5ml 0ml 5ml 0ml 0ml (1000ppm)
Week 4 15ml 0ml 5ml 0ml 0ml (1180ppm)
FLOWER
Week 1 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 2.5ml 0ml (1170ppm)
Week 2 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 2.5ml 0ml(1170ppm)
Week 3 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1500ppm)
Week 4 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml (1500ppm)
Week 5 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1500ppm)
Week 6 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml (1500ppm)
Week 7 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1310ppm)
Week8 FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH

This guys schedule does not use DG-Grow during his flower,whereas you do and even dyna-gro states to use DG-Grow in week 6-8.
Im curious to your maintance schedule. Once a week room cleaning and any specialproducts or disinfectents, Spraying or baths (youve stated that you do notfoliage feed).
Any general advised as well, homemade co2, music/vibrations,heat/humidity issues etc.

Thanks a Bunch

iceberg slim said:

Great Job HB,

Very impressed by your journal. It helped a lot.
I went out and purchased the Dyna-gro line with some other products you statedyou used and extra root stimulator.
I’ve read through the journals but as a newer guy I’m still a little confusedand was wondering if I could get some help with organizing a solidfeed/watering cycle.
I’m getting conflicting info from my hydro store guy, your journal and thefeeding charts on the websites.

I’m using

-400w MH(grow)
HPS(Bloom)
-pro-mix soil
-RO spring water
-Fiber root pouch pots
-home made yeast co2

I went a purchased the Dyna-gro 4( grow,bloom,mag-pro,pro-tek) I also grabbedthe GH floralicious plus and General Organics Bio Root. I did not get thecal-mag or Koolbloom that you made mention to.

Can you please help me with a feed/watering cycle (ml to L) with the productsabove. What to add for feed and what to add to water. Could you advise onKoolbloom's significance from your perspective and if you feel it’s necessarywhile using Floralicious plus and if yes can you include how you would add itto the F/W cycle.
Also I’m a bit unclear with the cal-mag. Or am I good to go with just Mag-pro?the only other product I have is a Nutrilife H202 liquid Oxidizer that I wastold was great from adding oxygen to water.
Below is an example of what someone had posted on yourjournal that you said yours was similar too.
This is for recirculating systems:

Recirculating

GRO BLM TEK MAG KLN
Week 1 7.5ml 0ml. 2.5ml0ml 5ml (650ppm)
Week 2 10ml 0ml 2.5ml0ml 5ml (830ppm)
Week 3 12.5ml 0ml 5ml 0ml 0ml (1000ppm)
Week 4 15ml 0ml 5ml 0ml 0ml (1180ppm)
FLOWER
Week 1 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 2.5ml 0ml (1170ppm)
Week 2 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 2.5ml 0ml(1170ppm)
Week 3 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1500ppm)
Week 4 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml (1500ppm)
Week 5 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1500ppm)
Week 6 0ml 15ml 5ml 5ml 0ml (1500ppm)
Week 7 0ml 12.5ml 5ml 5ml 0ml(1310ppm)
Week8 FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH FLUSH

This guys schedule does not use DG-Grow during his flower,whereas you do and even dyna-gro states to use DG-Grow in week 6-8.
Im curious to your maintance schedule. Once a week room cleaning and any specialproducts or disinfectents, Spraying or baths (youve stated that you do notfoliage feed).
Any general advised as well, homemade co2, music/vibrations,heat/humidity issues etc.

Thanks a Bunch

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DynaGro's feeding chart for 'soil' isn't too bad. I don't use magpro or floralicious plus in the dirt and I've never used koolbloom with DG.

Generically, I use a couple mls of base in veg with enough protekt to put my pH in the right range, I usually double that for flower. If you've had success in the past with plant food, then feed at those same levels with DG.

http://www.greenhandsofaloha.com/ghoa_content/growing/feeding/schedules/DynaGro/Dyna Gro Feeding Chart.pdf