Dyna-Gro vs General Hydroponics (Dumpster Grow)

unohu69

unohu69

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thanx for the super quick reply. The DG neem oil I have, does say to add a little bit of protekt, OR dish detergent. What do you think? i know people spray a dish soap mix for mites and things, but personally, I never liked doing it... Id rather use the neem&protekt over neem&soap i guess is what im saying.

oh the neem instructions say the protekt, or soap, acts as an emulsifying agent... its my first time using neem.

I also picked up some Serenade (mostly for outdoors, mold kikd my ass this year)
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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unohu69 said:
thanx for the super quick reply. The DG neem oil I have, does say to add a little bit of protekt, OR dish detergent. What do you think? i know people spray a dish soap mix for mites and things, but personally, I never liked doing it... Id rather use the neem&protekt over neem&soap i guess is what im saying.

oh the neem instructions say the protekt, or soap, acts as an emulsifying agent... its my first time using neem.

I also picked up some Serenade (mostly for outdoors, mold kikd my ass this year)
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I use dish soap actually, just a dash. I suppose protekt could work as it has a 'slimey' feel to it, but i'll probably never use it in that way.
 
unohu69

unohu69

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OK, I'll deff take this all into consideration. I guess psychologically, dish soap always seems harsh to me. I mean I use it when I want to deep clean a car before applying a fresh coat of wax. but i understand a drop in a bottle probly wouldnt hurt. I have heard that you need to spray with regular water after at some time so as to help rinse off the soap, do you think that is true?
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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unohu69 said:
OK, I'll deff take this all into consideration. I guess psychologically, dish soap always seems harsh to me. I mean I use it when I want to deep clean a car before applying a fresh coat of wax. but i understand a drop in a bottle probly wouldnt hurt. I have heard that you need to spray with regular water after at some time so as to help rinse off the soap, do you think that is true?
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A few drops of dish soap into a pint of water isn't going to hurt your plants.
 
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coconut123

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Two words...."Holy Shit"...lol First of all...Props to you HomeBrewer for this whole thread and you sticking with it, giving great info, and just being a real nice guy. Little backround, I've been growing for 18 months, went from DWC to E/F, to now coco in 4gal pots. Flora Nova, Switched to H&G 6 months ago... Not liking H&G base nutes so far. So I woke up this morning with the thought of switching to FloraDuo from G.H. as my base nutes anlong with the KB liquid and powder I've been using. Then I find this thread (thus the Holy Shit remark from above). So just read all 49 pages in one sitting (including beer and pee breaks) and now thinking of going DG. Any thoughts on using it in Coco? They say treat Coco like Hydro as far as the nutrients go, so I think I'll start with that. hmmmm, so using the DG line, can/should I still use the drip clean and Roots exl from (H&G) and continue with the KoolBloom liquid and powder from (GH)? Thanks man.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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coconut123 said:
Two words...."Holy Shit"...lol First of all...Props to you HomeBrewer for this whole thread and you sticking with it, giving great info, and just being a real nice guy. Little backround, I've been growing for 18 months, went from DWC to E/F, to now coco in 4gal pots. Flora Nova, Switched to H&G 6 months ago... Not liking H&G base nutes so far. So I woke up this morning with the thought of switching to FloraDuo from G.H. as my base nutes anlong with the KB liquid and powder I've been using. Then I find this thread (thus the Holy Shit remark from above). So just read all 49 pages in one sitting (including beer and pee breaks) and now thinking of going DG. Any thoughts on using it in Coco? They say treat Coco like Hydro as far as the nutrients go, so I think I'll start with that. hmmmm, so using the DG line, can/should I still use the drip clean and Roots exl from (H&G) and continue with the KoolBloom liquid and powder from (GH)? Thanks man.
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I definitely would skip the koolbloom and drip clean. I'm not sure what roots exl is since the only time I care about roots is when I'm cloning (and keeping them clean when they're established of course). I've never used coco but I can't imagine it's too far off from promix, minus how quick coco dries out. Anyways, I'd feed at about .7 EC max in flower and see how the plants look. A little DG goes a long way. Just make sure you have plenty of runoff and your medium is free of excess salt buildup. I think you'll like the price, simplicity and performance of Dynagro. Don't be afraid to try E&F again if DG works out well for you.
 
unohu69

unohu69

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wow, good to see this thread is going strong.
I have a Q about DG again, when using protekt,and grow. do you ph the water after adding protekt, then add the grow, or ph after both are in the water.

And I know the Protekt says its gonna raise the ph, but normal for me after adding foxfarm grow big is 6.8. With the DG nutes, i have had to add 22-24 drops of ph down (in a gallon) to get it to an acceptable level or close to 6.8.I did this slowly over 14 hr period checking ph every hr or so, with a air pump bubbling the solution. Is that normal? my tap water tests out almost perfect 7, and its extremly low ppm around 35ppm or so(this coming from my buddys digital meters ), im using test tube and drops at the moment.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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unohu69 said:
wow, good to see this thread is going strong.
I have a Q about DG again, when using protekt,and grow. do you ph the water after adding protekt, then add the grow, or ph after both are in the water.
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I pH after all nutrients are mixed in.
And I know the Protekt says its gonna raise the ph, but normal for me after adding foxfarm grow big is 6.8. With the DG nutes, i have had to add 22-24 drops of ph down (in a gallon) to get it to an acceptable level or close to 6.8.I did this slowly over 14 hr period checking ph every hr or so, with a air pump bubbling the solution. Is that normal? my tap water tests out almost perfect 7, and its extremly low ppm around 35ppm or so(this coming from my buddys digital meters ), im using test tube and drops at the moment.
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Protekt along with DG base nutes when mixed in 'average tap water' should come to somewhere in the 6's? pH down to around 5.8 for hydro or mid 6's for dirt. Don't make it harder than it has to be ;).
 
hornedfrog2000

hornedfrog2000

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I just put 2ml of grow, 1ml of mag-pro, 3ml of pro-tekt, and it came out around 6.5ish. lowered the ph to 5.8ish, and it hasn't moved in a week.
 
unohu69

unohu69

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j new to ph'ing my water, i usually let mother nature do her thing, but I got the ok for two patients, so now im trying to dial in a quick in soil setup to get a couple mommys going for a clone supply, maybe a few crossbreeding experiments. im trying to keep everything small as possible right now till im better prepared, just dont want to kill my best clones before i get to use them.

I really do appreciate the advice. i dont shun intelligence.
 
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BettaBudda

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dish detergent acts as a dispersant to disrupt the surface tension of the water. I think it helps with absorption by making the water not bead up and drip off as easily.
 
Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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What ratio/ppm do they suggest as a good NPK makeup for soil gardening?
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Since potroast took away my PM privileges for linking to Riddleme, thought I'd answer your recent PM here. I have never asked a DynaGro tech what they'd recommend. I assume they know that I know enough about plant nutrition not to have to ask. I like their Foliage Pro.

Good luck,
UB
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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Uncle Ben said:
Since potroast took away my PM privileges for linking to Riddleme, thought I'd answer your recent PM here. I have never asked a DynaGro tech what they'd recommend. I assume they know that I know enough about plant nutrition not to have to ask. I like their Foliage Pro.

Good luck,
UB
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Thanks for getting back with me. Your post below implies that Texas A&M has a benchmark to compare your soil to which is why they said not to add any more phosphorus. Do you happen to know what the ideal makeup is or are they saying not to add more phosphorus because it does not readily leach from the soil and N does?


Speaking of maintaining 'balance', I just received a soil analysis back from Texas A&M on my veggie garden. I now have a guide, a nutritional marker, as to where to go with plant nutrition as is laid out by university schooled experts, not shysters....... and I quote from the report "do not add phosphorous for at least 5 years in any form, manure or otherwise, only nitrogen." FWIW, the report says that my N is 54 ppm, P is 197 ppm and K is 618 ppm or a real world NPK value of 0.5 - 2 - 6. Time to hit it with some UAN (urea/ammonium nitrate), 33-0-0. It's only natural.
pH is a very nice 6.8 having dropped from 8.0 six years ago. That drop in pH was induced by small sulfur applications and a boatload of organic matter additions over the years.
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Uncle Ben

Uncle Ben

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A soil analysis is indeed a benchmark, a marker of where you are now so you know where you need to go for maximum plant health, vigor and production. I don't know what their reasons were other than the NPK is out of whack. Bottom line, I've been correcting with ammonium sulfate and yesterday a UAN drench, which is a 33-0-0 and the plants responded quickly with improved color and vigor.
 
blazedgeek

blazedgeek

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whats up homebrew thanks for this thread i have learned quite a bit as i just finished up reading and will be switching up to DG.! now im of to read about your AK-47 & great white
 
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beans davis

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Hey homebrew badass thread man.
Every question i could a had about d.g. & ebb & flow has been asked and answered several times in depth.
Im in week 3 of veg.Im gonna follow your #s on nutrients.

Thanks a lot man
 
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GHOPZZ

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Hi Homebrewer, I just got some dyna-gro and bloom nutes for my next grow. I have been using organic teas for awhile now and I think its time for a change. I am a soil grower, my soil medium is 2:1 Promix-BX to Foxfarm Ocean Forest Soil with extra perlite. I was seeing if you could give me a guideline to start with these nutes( in ML and how much weekly i should nute) this would be a big help and much appreciated. The strain im going with is C99 and vegging it for 2 months.
 
homebrewer

homebrewer

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GHOPZZ said:
Hi Homebrewer, I just got some dyna-gro and bloom nutes for my next grow. I have been using organic teas for awhile now and I think its time for a change. I am a soil grower, my soil medium is 2:1 Promix-BX to Foxfarm Ocean Forest Soil with extra perlite. I was seeing if you could give me a guideline to start with these nutes( in ML and how much weekly i should nute) this would be a big help and much appreciated. The strain im going with is C99 and vegging it for 2 months.
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Will you be using tap or RO water? If tap, any idea what the ppm is?
 
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