Earth juice hi brix vs catalyst

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Dankmarchi

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Ive been reading about both of these earth juice products and i read somewhere that the catalyst is mostly molasses based along with other foods for microbes Is there a very big difference and if so should i only use one of the two or can i add both to my teas?
 
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Dankmarchi

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Fasho thats what i figured i read good things about both but i figured the catalyst would be the better choice instead of the hi brix or both just because it has more beneficial ingredients than just molasses like the hi brix and it be cheaper to use only one
 
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Lacedwitgame

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I may be wrong but the catalyst msy be theyre micro nute...where hi brix is just molasses.
You would use the catalyst in a 3 part line up. The hi brix us for teas & flowering plants.
 
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Dankmarchi

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Lacedwitgame said:
I may be wrong but the catalyst msy be theyre micro nute...where hi brix is just molasses.
You would use the catalyst in a 3 part line up. The hi brix us for teas & flowering plants.
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They actually have a microblast that contains their micro nutes im not sure but what i gathered was that the catalyst acts as a activator for the micro organisms because it contains molasses and other foods im not totally sure about that but thats what ive read on a few sites
 
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Rasta Roy

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Y'all should be ashamed of your Googling skills.

From Earth Juice themselves...

"Earth Juice Catalyst is a premium organic nutrient additive that contains enzymes, hormones, vitamins, amino acids, nutrients and surfactants to complete your fertilization program. Highly recommended for use with indoor and outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics. Best to use in conjunction with NPK fertilizers."

Anytime you hear a description about vitamins, hormones, or amino acids...you can bet there is some kelp meal in there...

I bet the surfactant they speak of is yucca extract.

And if you Google Earth Juice Catalyst guaranteed analysis you can find this nifty bit of information...

"Derived From: Oat Bran, Kelp, Wheat Malt, Molasses, Yeast."

I'm not chemist but I would assume the oat bran, wheat malt, and yeast are working together to be those enzymes they're talking about.

Sooooo....kind of a pointless product in my opinion. It's not gonna have enough molasses to feed the microherd when you're trying to make compost teas.

And if you're making teas you can buy oats, barley, and yeast for cheaper than a bottle that has little of them and mostly water.

Kelp in a bottle is a rip off because you're not getting as many benefits as fresh...and one bag of kelp meal (about seventeen bucks) can make you ten bottles of Liquid Kelp meal.

Buy the molasses. Bagged kelp. Look up the recipe for homemade lacto bactillius... You can make it with rice and milk and will never have to buy an enzyme product again. Boom. You have your own juice Catalyst.
 
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Mr. Krinkle

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that catalyst might be good for teas and what not - but otherwise, you don't really need it - ive used it and noticed nothing and if i don't notice anything i don't use it.....

but i still use the EJ Molasses - it's very inexpensive - like $14 for a gallon - i like it
 
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Dankmarchi

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Rasta Roy said:
Y'all should be ashamed of your Googling skills.

From Earth Juice themselves...

"Earth Juice Catalyst is a premium organic nutrient additive that contains enzymes, hormones, vitamins, amino acids, nutrients and surfactants to complete your fertilization program. Highly recommended for use with indoor and outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics. Best to use in conjunction with NPK fertilizers."

Anytime you hear a description about vitamins, hormones, or amino acids...you can bet there is some kelp meal in there...

I bet the surfactant they speak of is yucca extract.

And if you Google Earth Juice Catalyst guaranteed analysis you can find this nifty bit of information...

"Derived From: Oat Bran, Kelp, Wheat Malt, Molasses, Yeast."

I'm not chemist but I would assume the oat bran, wheat malt, and yeast are working together to be those enzymes they're talking about.

Sooooo....kind of a pointless product in my opinion. It's not gonna have enough molasses to feed the microherd when you're trying to make compost teas.

And if you're making teas you can buy oats, barley, and yeast for cheaper than a bottle that has little of them and mostly water.

Kelp in a bottle is a rip off because you're not getting as many benefits as fresh...and one bag of kelp meal (about seventeen bucks) can make you ten bottles of Liquid Kelp meal.

Buy the molasses. Bagged kelp. Look up the recipe for homemade lacto bactillius... You can make it with rice and milk and will never have to buy an enzyme product again. Boom. You have your own juice Catalyst.
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Thanks bro ill definitely look into some recipes for that
 
backtracker

backtracker

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Rasta Roy said:
Y'all should be ashamed of your Googling skills.

From Earth Juice themselves...

"Earth Juice Catalyst is a premium organic nutrient additive that contains enzymes, hormones, vitamins, amino acids, nutrients and surfactants to complete your fertilization program. Highly recommended for use with indoor and outdoor plants, soil and hydroponics. Best to use in conjunction with NPK fertilizers."

Anytime you hear a description about vitamins, hormones, or amino acids...you can bet there is some kelp meal in there...

I bet the surfactant they speak of is yucca extract.

And if you Google Earth Juice Catalyst guaranteed analysis you can find this nifty bit of information...

"Derived From: Oat Bran, Kelp, Wheat Malt, Molasses, Yeast."

I'm not chemist but I would assume the oat bran, wheat malt, and yeast are working together to be those enzymes they're talking about.

Sooooo....kind of a pointless product in my opinion. It's not gonna have enough molasses to feed the microherd when you're trying to make compost teas.

And if you're making teas you can buy oats, barley, and yeast for cheaper than a bottle that has little of them and mostly water.

Kelp in a bottle is a rip off because you're not getting as many benefits as fresh...and one bag of kelp meal (about seventeen bucks) can make you ten bottles of Liquid Kelp meal.

Buy the molasses. Bagged kelp. Look up the recipe for homemade lacto bactillius... You can make it with rice and milk and will never have to buy an enzyme product again. Boom. You have your own juice Catalyst.
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That's all good if you have the space but indoors and in cramped areas not so much. It's a great product I've used it for years they were one of the first companies to make nutrients for pot they know their shit and produce a quality product at a fair price that works great if one follows instructions. With their stuff you don't have to reinvent the wheel or make shit up. .
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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backtracker said:
That's all good if you have the space but indoors and in cramped areas not so much. It's a great product I've used it for years they were one of the first companies to make nutrients for pot they know their shit and produce a quality product at a fair price that works great if one follows instructions. With their stuff you don't have to reinvent the wheel or make shit up. .
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You can make lacto bactillius with a mason jar, a bag of kelp meal takes up as much space as a cereal box, and a gallon jug of Molasses takes up as much space as a gallon of milk. How is that too much to handle indoors or in a cramped area?

That aside...earth juice is a good company, I use their molasses. But I don't work for them, and I don't get attached to products so I can speak honestly. No bottled product will do for you what a fresh one will, and the fresh one will stretch your dollar further. And the fresh ones require no science, it's as easy as a fresh top dressing every few weeks or throwing a 1/2 cup in a five gallon bucket of water and letting it sit a day before you use it.
 
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Dankmarchi

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Rasta Roy said:
You can make lacto bactillius with a mason jar, a bag of kelp meal takes up as much space as a cereal box, and a gallon jug of Molasses takes up as much space as a gallon of milk. How is that too much to handle indoors or in a cramped area?

That aside...earth juice is a good company, I use their molasses. But I don't work for them, and I don't get attached to products so I can speak honestly. No bottled product will do for you what a fresh one will, and the fresh one will stretch your dollar further. And the fresh ones require no science, it's as easy as a fresh top dressing every few weeks or throwing a 1/2 cup in a five gallon bucket of water and letting it sit a day before you use it.
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That thread you shared was really interesting i cant wait to try it i think im going to start making two different teas one using catalyst and one using the other homemade one to see if theres a major difference if one at all it definitely seems easy enough and very cost effective to make the homemade one
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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Dankmarchi said:
That thread you shared was really interesting i cant wait to try it i think im going to start making two different teas one using catalyst and one using the other homemade one to see if theres a major difference if one at all it definitely seems easy enough and very cost effective to make the homemade one
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Share your results! Good luck.
 
hockeybry2

hockeybry2

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Earth juice makes a hi brix molasses ... I use this in my teas. I also use their surfactant earth juice assist. Both good products
 
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Dankmarchi

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Rasta Roy said:
The hi-brix molasses is just molasses...but it works solid I use it for my teas as well.
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Have you tried their micro blast i recently perchased a bottle of that and their molasses and catalyst. I was also thinking about their soybean meal, humic acid and i forgot the name of the other its supposed to increase oil production. Ive been using Alaska fish ferts and tappin roots essential grow for veg so far. I also top dress tappin roots soil amender on the soil along with mykos in the soil
 
Rasta Roy

Rasta Roy

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hockeybry2 said:
Correct. I don't know of an earth microbial. I just use oregon ism x
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Dankmarchi said:
Have you tried their micro blast i recently perchased a bottle of that and their molasses and catalyst. I was also thinking about their soybean meal, humic acid and i forgot the name of the other its supposed to increase oil production. Ive been using Alaska fish ferts and tappin roots essential grow for veg so far. I also top dress tappin roots soil amender on the soil along with mykos in the soil
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No, I was using Green Wizard Nutrients back when I was messing with bottles and they just had a simple a and b nutrient for veg and flower. Now I just use lots of compost, worm castings, and neem cake. This with the occasional kelp or alfalfa tea gives me all the vitamins, growth hormones, Humates, trace minerals, etc that some people would purchase bottle additives for. I use fish fertilizer if I see my plants hurting for nitrogen, and guano teas if they need a phosphorus boost. I try not to push too hard with fertilization though, my plants tend to taste better when I don't overdo it.

I would skip the oil production one...is the soybean meal, Soybean Meal or something bottled? Lol.

And humic acid is good to use if your medium is just soiless (coco or promix), but if you got a good compost or worm castings in your soil I wouldn't bother.
 
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