Electrical Problem

Mua Dib said:

in short, yes you want things grounded, as far as death by electrocution,
fairly unlikely, I have shocked myself at least 10 times in my life (remodeling/construction/and dumbasses leaving live wires cut and on)
its annoying as hell, but Im not dead yet.

14/2 lines with a 15amp breaker is what Ive shocked myself off, its fairly safe, i mean dont stand knee deep in water and lick a live wire, but /shrug, even got a 14/2 live wire that was cut off in my basement while remodeling, right in the neck, and it was just a WTF kinda moment.

IDK though, maybe I have super abilities, best to practice safe methods and always make sure that if the appliance has a grounded prong it goes into something.

On a sidee note anyone notice how so many fans/pumps/ and so on aren't grounded.

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its not volts that kill surprisingly enough it only takes milliamps to stop your heart. if you grab hold of a live 15 amp circuit with no load on it its going to buzz you but not kill you, now do the same thing with 10 lights on in the same circuit! now that will knock the living piss out of you and if someone isnt there to help the amps will lock your hands to the wires and you prably wont be at work for a long while.

drgreentm said:

im just surprised more people havent seen this adapter i speak of. funny thing is allot of older houses dont even have the third prong outlets in them and this is why the adapter is made. how would you be able to pick up a adapter that in essence will burn your house to the ground???

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i know witch one your talking about.. its the one that you remove the middle screw of the outlet cove and screw the addapter in place so it don't fall out..

mygirls said:

i know witch one your talking about.. its the one that you remove the middle screw of the outlet cove and screw the addapter in place so it don't fall out..

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yup and they come as simple as a 2" peace that you plug the 3 prong in and on the other side its just 2 now the 3rd prong is not magically removed its basically just capped inside the plastic housing (unused as if it where removed).

here we go and not even pricey 3 bucks on amazon lol

Staggering, simply staggering. Its now so much that I think I'm right, its more a function of that I know I am right. The ground plug (even though it goes to the same place in the panel) PREVENTS YOU FROM SHOCKING YOURSELF. Nothing more, nothing less. NO, the absence of this plug doesn't increase the risk of fire but it does provide the opportunity for you to electrocute yourself. If you have an appliance with a metal case, and the appliance somehow shorts out, it will not flip the circuit breaker and shut off power to the device without a proper ground circuit. Electricity will keep flowing through the object and its case in so much as if you touched the metal case, now the electricity would be flowing through you.

The little metal tang on an adapter plug isn't "so it doesn't fall out" its to provide some measure of a ground. (although not as good as a true ground) . The simple fact that you think its there to hold the adapter in place seems to underscore the fact that your none to wise in terms of how electricity works in a residential application. Find me ONE SINGLE reference that says its advisable to use a 3-2 prong adapter over a true ground.

I even went as far as installing an AFCI breaker in the supply that feeds my grow room. Necessary? (well by current code yes) but by "will it work without it" standards. No. But if I develop an arc fault in my room (I dunno, say bulb shatters in the night) or I drove a nail into the wiring in the wall and didn't know it. At least I won't burn my entire house down, killing my family with it. Believe me, I take MANY a calculated risks in the name of fun but if there is a simply, cheap and effective method to increase your measure of safety, why on earth wouldn't you take it? Seriously?

legallyflying said:

Staggering, simply staggering. Its now so much that I think I'm right, its more a function of that I know I am right. The ground plug (even though it goes to the same place in the panel) PREVENTS YOU FROM SHOCKING YOURSELF. Nothing more, nothing less. NO, the absence of this plug doesn't increase the risk of fire but it does provide the opportunity for you to electrocute yourself. If you have an appliance with a metal case, and the appliance somehow shorts out, it will not flip the circuit breaker and shut off power to the device without a proper ground circuit. Electricity will keep flowing through the object and its case in so much as if you touched the metal case, now the electricity would be flowing through you.

The little metal tang on an adapter plug isn't "so it doesn't fall out" its to provide some measure of a ground. (although not as good as a true ground) . The simple fact that you think its there to hold the adapter in place seems to underscore the fact that your none to wise in terms of how electricity works in a residential application. Find me ONE SINGLE reference that says its advisable to use a 3-2 prong adapter over a true ground.

I even went as far as installing an AFCI breaker in the supply that feeds my grow room. Necessary? (well by current code yes) but by "will it work without it" standards. No. But if I develop an arc fault in my room (I dunno, say bulb shatters in the night) or I drove a nail into the wiring in the wall and didn't know it. At least I won't burn my entire house down, killing my family with it. Believe me, I take MANY a calculated risks in the name of fun but if there is a simply, cheap and effective method to increase your measure of safety, why on earth wouldn't you take it? Seriously?

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that metal thing has nothing to do with ground.. nothing at all.. were does it ground to ,,,, no were

No the ground has absolutely no use whatsoever. /sarcasm

Then why do u think they make them? And if your arguement is "well old houses don't have them" well guess what, really old houses didn't have running water either. People learn, things change and become industry standard.

I'm guessing you have never seen anything ground out on something it wasn't intended to. You are truly a dumb piece of shit and anyone who thinks they know anything about electricity and will advise someone not to use a safety function that is there for a reason has no idea what there talking about let alone how fucking retarded they are. I'm done here. Some people are just too fucking stupid to see there own flaws.

And if you think I'm the stupid one for advising him to use the ground as it is intended then guilty as charged.

mygirls said:

no you don't. i have ran my 1000wtt hps with no ground to the bulb. i have also ran two prong times b4 for over a year running 1000wtt hps.

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You was just lucky . That much current can get u killed or homeless .

Where, not were

mygirls said:

oops 1st strike.. iv always wanted to say that.. you no nothing about power my friend.. carfull with that toung.. it might get bit off

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More bad advice .Just because it works without the ground DOES NOT MAKE IT SAFE.

Mygirls is a terrific example of a need for more natural selection pressure.

Mua Dib said:

in short, yes you want things grounded, as far as death by electrocution,
fairly unlikely, I have shocked myself at least 10 times in my life (remodeling/construction/and dumbasses leaving live wires cut and on)
its annoying as hell, but Im not dead yet.



14/2 lines with a 15amp breaker is what Ive shocked myself off, its fairly safe, i mean dont stand knee deep in water and lick a live wire, but /shrug, even got a 14/2 live wire that was cut off in my basement while remodeling, right in the neck, and it was just a WTF kinda moment.

IDK though, maybe I have super abilities, best to practice safe methods and always make sure that if the appliance has a grounded prong it goes into something.

On a sidee note anyone notice how so many fans/pumps/ and so on aren't grounded.

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What the hell . Coming from an electrician I'm here to tell u my son it is never safe to get shocked . Congradulations on giving out the worst electrical advice on RIU. I have seen many ppl over the years visit the hospital from getting shocked . An electrical burn is the worst it burns u from the inside out, it can disrubt ur heart rythem ,I have a permanent hole in my thumb from 277v , I have lost a friend this way and I,ll be damned if you u need to be giving out such advice.Portable appliances are not grounded ,that is why they should be plugged into a GFI or ARC FAULT circuit .

mygirls said:

so you saying im giving bad addvice.. the stupid thing about this is u think your right.. its still going to light up, its not going to burn your house down.. 110 volt is ok with out the groung . look at the old days.. even sum of your old houses still only have a 2 prong outlet. and the work just fine..

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You are right it will work . Do you feel better? Glad u sleep well at night knowing your house isn't going to burn down.

If that shit goes to ground it can start a fire and that is a gamble.Quit telling people to gamble on there home and there lives !

Not a damn but one of you need to be handing out electrical advice . There is as much bad electrical advice given out on here as there is bad growing advice . It's getting pretty sad around here for sure.

legallyflying said:

Mygirls is a terrific example of a need for more natural selection pressure.

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Good one ! PPl just dont understand . That guys advice was as good as saying it doesnt hurt when you jump in front of speeding car . Pisses me off they don't realize there are many electricians on RIU to bust that ass .

I like the guy who is an "electrician apprentice" and was basically saying the ground is useless.

Wouldnt it be possible to connect the neutral and hot and then just take the ground and rig it up to the green screw on the receptical if I had to all it should do is bypass the timer right?

TheLastWood said:

No the ground has absolutely no use whatsoever. /sarcasm

Then why do u think they make them? And if your arguement is "well old houses don't have them" well guess what, really old houses didn't have running water either. People learn, things change and become industry standard.

I'm guessing you have never seen anything ground out on something it wasn't intended to. You are truly a dumb piece of shit and anyone who thinks they know anything about electricity and will advise someone not to use a safety function that is there for a reason has no idea what there talking about let alone how fucking retarded they are. I'm done here. Some people are just too fucking stupid to see there own flaws.

And if you think I'm the stupid one for advising him to use the ground as it is intended then guilty as charged.

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they mad them for the plder homes that only had two prong outlets.. get real homs

If you really want to make yourself feel better.....and confindent in changing outlets...install a GFI anywhere that you will have equipment plugged in. That way if something does ground itself out...you not only have protection from the breaker...but the GFI will also kick....

kingofqueen said:

Not a damn but one of you need to be handing out electrical advice . There is as much bad electrical advice given out on here as there is bad growing advice . It's getting pretty sad around here for sure.

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LMAO so true!