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st0wandgrow · Jul 18, 2017

Observe & Report said:
If you bothered to do some googling yourself, you'd find that Americans spent a trillion dollars on health insurance premiums in 2015. That's 50% more than the entire defense budget. Total health care spending was $3.2 trillion, about $10,000 per person. Clearly, diverting 1% of the defense budget isn't going to make a dent in Americas health and education problems much less solve them.

True, the defense budget alone wouldn't cover healthcare for the entire country, but if you add in all of the costs of our military we could cover every man woman and child twice over. How much did we piss away in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pretty sure those trillions of dollars would get it done.

Lucky Luke · Jul 18, 2017

st0wandgrow said:
True, the defense budget alone wouldn't cover healthcare for the entire country, but if you add in all of the costs of our military we could cover every man woman and child twice over. How much did we piss away in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pretty sure those trillions of dollars would get it done.

Keep in mind that the cost per person isnt that high. Especially if the doctors, radiologists, etc are having to negotiate their rates of pay with the govt bean counters. Add in the fines and penalties for ripping off the govt purse and I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of service drops or at least slowly gets back to a fairer cost.

st0wandgrow · Jul 18, 2017

Lucky Luke said:
Keep in mind that the cost per person isnt that high. Especially if the doctors, radiologists, etc are having to negotiate their rates of pay with the govt bean counters. Add in the fines and penalties for ripping off the govt purse and I wouldn't be surprised if the cost of service drops or at least slowly gets back to a fairer cost.

Oh for sure, the prices would drop. Eliminate the insurance industry profit margin, marketing, CEO compensation, armies of claims adjusters, etc. And as you pointed out, the prices for services would come down with a single payer negotiating them. Not to mention the fact that people would utilize preventive services much more if they didn't have to shell out a $100 copay, so you'd end up with a healthier, less expensive populace.

We currently pay around $10,000 per person, per year. I'd be willing to bet that number could be damn near cut in half.

UncleBuck · Jul 18, 2017

PetFlora said:
What I neglected to mention was the "Contractor Budget" which is separated from the so-called military budget. Many of whom are x military mercenaries getting quite a bit more money than our soldiers, and are not bound by the same rules of engagement. As I recall, there was ~ 70,000 of them in Iraq

Also the money we give to the military industrial complex for planes, tanks, ships, bombs, ammunition...

do you really think seal team six is a bunch of liars, faketriot?

PetFlora · Jul 19, 2017

UncleBuck said:
do you really think seal team six is a bunch of liars, faketriot?

Off your meds, or onto something that makes you even stoopider? What does my comment have to do seal team 6?

ANC · Jul 19, 2017

UncleBuck said:
do you really think seal team six is a bunch of liars, faketriot?

You know the military, you say what you get told to say.

UncleBuck · Jul 19, 2017

PetFlora said:
Off your meds, or onto something that makes you even stoopider? What does my comment have to do seal team 6?

You claim they lied about getting bin laden, dick breath.

ThcGuy · Jul 19, 2017

Just to shed a little light on actual costs of "free" health care. Canada for example.

Quote from the Fraser Institute:
"It is more informative to measure the cost of our health care system in per capita dollars: the $141 billion spent equates to approximately $3,961 per Canadian (CIHI, 2014; Statistics Canada, 2014; authors' calculations)."

Found a more current cost for Canadians:
"In 2016, total health expenditure in Canada is expected to reach $228 billion, or $6,299 per person. It is anticipated that, overall, health spending will represent 11% of Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP)."

tampee · Jul 19, 2017

Sir Napsalot said:
Cubans pay taxes to support their "free" healthcare, "genius".

And guess what? It's a communist nation!! Do you want Communism "genius". :wall:

PetFlora · Jul 19, 2017

UncleBuck said:
You claim they lied about getting bin laden, dick breath.

Ah, resorting to your usual low level communications

Do you recall the pic of Obummer/Hilary etc in a room supposedly watching a closed circuit feed?

ST 6 did not say it, your lieing govt did.

Dead soldiers tell no truths

http://osnetdaily.com/2013/08/death-of-seal-team-6-set-up-and-cover-up/

tampee · Jul 19, 2017

ThcGuy said:
Just to shed a little light on actual costs of "free" health care. Canada for example.

Quote from the Fraser Institute:
"It is more informative to measure the cost of our health care system in per capita dollars: the $141 billion spent equates to approximately $3,961 per Canadian (CIHI, 2014; Statistics Canada, 2014; authors' calculations)."

$4 k per citizen that don't sound fair at all to me and they don't charge top dollar for everything in America.

tampee · Jul 19, 2017

st0wandgrow said:
True, the defense budget alone wouldn't cover healthcare for the entire country, but if you add in all of the costs of our military we could cover every man woman and child twice over. How much did we piss away in Iraq and Afghanistan? Pretty sure those trillions of dollars would get it done.

Would have if Obama didn't start WW3. Lol

UncleBuck · Jul 19, 2017

PetFlora said:
Ah, resorting to your usual low level communications

Do you recall the pic of Obummer/Hilary etc in a room supposedly watching a closed circuit feed?

ST 6 did not say it, your lieing govt did.

Dead soldiers tell no lies

http://osnetdaily.com/2013/08/death-of-seal-team-6-set-up-and-cover-up/

I agree, me repeating your retarded conspiracies is low level.

Fogdog · Jul 19, 2017

st0wandgrow said:
We currently pay around $10,000 per person, per year. I'd be willing to bet that number could be damn near cut in half.

That's about right. Countries with socialized health care pay about half the US cost per person with better results.

@tampee is correct in that he could get better care for less in Cuba. A communist country is in fact taking as good or better care of it's people than the largest oligarchy in the world. They do it at one-tenth the cost in the US.

ttystikk · Jul 19, 2017

Fogdog said:
That's about right. Countries with socialized health care pay about half the US cost per person with better results.

@tampee is correct in that he could get better care for less in Cuba. A communist country is in fact taking as good or better care of it's people than the largest oligarchy in the world. They do it at one-tenth the cost in the US.

If that's not an indictment of American healthcare I don't know what is.

Lucky Luke · Jul 19, 2017

ThcGuy said:
Just to shed a little light on actual costs of "free" health care. Canada for example.

Quote from the Fraser Institute:
"It is more informative to measure the cost of our health care system in per capita dollars: the $141 billion spent equates to approximately $3,961 per Canadian (CIHI, 2014; Statistics Canada, 2014; authors' calculations)."

Found a more current cost for Canadians:
"In 2016, total health expenditure in Canada is expected to reach $228 billion, or $6,299 per person. It is anticipated that, overall, health spending will represent 11% of Canada’s gross domestic product (GDP)."

Are the Canadian Hospitals also Govt owned? If most of them are then dont forget they do provide some income to offset those costs as well. Private patients for eg.

Lucky Luke · Jul 19, 2017

tampee said:
And guess what? It's a communist nation!! Do you want Communism "genius".

Seems to be working well for China. One of the oldest Countries on Earth that has seen a few different types of Govt.

ThcGuy · Jul 19, 2017

Lucky Luke said:
Are the Canadian Hospitals also Govt owned? If most of them are then dont forget they do provide some income to offest the costs as well. Private patients for eg.

Yep they are owned by each province. I think thats what makes it feasible, they aren't designed to make money.

Unclebaldrick · Jul 19, 2017

tampee said:
$4 k per citizen that don't sound fair at all to me and they don't charge top dollar for everything in America.

Have I mentioned lately that you are too dumb to know that you should not post your opinions?

Unclebaldrick · Jul 19, 2017

Lucky Luke said:
Seems to be working well for China. One of the oldest Countries on Earth that has seen a few different types of Govt.

I think you might not fully understand Chinese health care. It might be a poor example.

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