Like another $7.2 billion toward the wall? I don't understand why there isn't outrage about this. I thought that Mexico was paying for it.
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Fogdog
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Diaz wasn't talking about Trump's wall.
Don't think there was outrage about the wall? Trump's supporters say they didn't take his promise seriously and don't care if the US wastes their taxes on it as long as "Trump keeps them furriners" out. Democrats have been outraged by Trump's racism and bigoted statements ever since he raised that topic in the 2016 Republican primaries. It has all been a waste of time and money. The only reason its not getting bigger press is because the whole thing fizzled out when Congress refused to vote for it in a budget. His attempts to steal money from authorized programs haven't gone far. It's not news anymore.
Besides, almost every week now, Trump has done more and more outrageous things. Ukraine, assassinations, stuff like that.
Couch_Lock
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Both Sanders and Warren are extreme lefties......it would be as shocking a government crisis as Trump, well....almost. 
The MODERATES are forgotten about, the ones willing to compromise and be reasonable. Just the nutjobs left these days......Biden is acceptable, Romney I could also vote for. Somebody not radical, but reasonable.
The MODERATES are forgotten about, the ones willing to compromise and be reasonable. Just the nutjobs left these days......Biden is acceptable, Romney I could also vote for. Somebody not radical, but reasonable.
PJ Diaz
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Exactly my point.
Fogdog
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Romney? A moderate? Compared to Trump he is, I guess.Both Sanders and Warren are extreme lefties......it would be as shocking a government crisis as Trump, well....almost.
The MODERATES are forgotten about, the ones willing to compromise and be reasonable. Just the nutjobs left these days......Biden is acceptable, Romney I could also vote for. Somebody not radical, but reasonable.
Biden is OK. He would have made a great president about 20 years ago.
Why such a hard-on for the status quo? It's failed even Boomers, who, for the most part have just enough money to make it through their first month of imminent forced retirement. Younger people are looking at their parents, looking at their prospects given that most new jobs are low wage dead-end service industry jobs that will evaporate the second another recession hits and saying "no thanks".
Couch_Lock
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I don't trust Sanders, Trump or Warren on foreign policy or healthcare. Trump buddies up with our enemies and alienates our allies. Warren + Sanders would be isolationists also, but more stable then Trump, just barely. And fuck Medicare for all.
Unclebaldrick
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Unclebaldrick
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Amazing how much impact "The Big Lie" has, isn't it?
Fogdog
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Why is it that people like you think that we should care about your baseless opinion?
Warren -- isolationist? Do explain. First I've ever heard that. Include a citation, please.
Anyway, a vote for Biden is a vote to get Republicans out. At least he will protect your existing Medicare. So, you aren't all bad but I do suggest you read up from sites that report facts-based news rather than right wing opinions.
I still want to hear why you say Romney is a moderate, though.
Here is a list of his stances. He's pretty conservative. http://www.issues2000.org/Mitt_Romney_VoteMatch.htm
From same site:'
same site's analysis for Warren:
I don't know how you rated Obama but Biden wasn't all that different from him. Does that make him moderate? Not according to his record.
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Dr.Amber Trichome
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I have a feeling Elizabeth is going to be on fire in tonight’s debate. She is going to win big time. Sizzling Hot! And Amy as well. All you misogynistic Trump supporters are gonna be crying hard. so when you go out to get your meth tonight don’t forget to pick up a few boxes of Kleenex.
londonfog
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Although very true...
try sticking to what I said. Thank you
Never said I wanted a dead man to run.
UncleBuck
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londonfog
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How do you feel about a man that had five deferments but yet still votes for others to go to war ?
UncleBuck
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He didn’t get his daddy to bribe a doctor into a fake medical diagnosis so all good here
londonfog
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The hypocrite look does not fit well on you. sad
He was 6 feet tall and had an athlete’s build. He played football in high school and was active in sports throughout college. He spent one summer as a lifeguard at a local pool.
But after he graduated college in the spring of 1968 and became eligible for the draft and —possibly — combat duty in Vietnam, he received a diagnosis that let him avoid military service.
No, not bone spurs. Asthma. His name was Joe Biden
UncleBuck
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I’m a hypocrite and 2/3 of the congressional black caucus are racist
Couch_Lock
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Baseless? Many agree, here's one site: If u bother to research, instead of relying on FOX news, you'd have some sense!
“Far too often,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) said at Westminster College in September 2017, “American intervention and the use of American military power has produced unintended consequences which have caused incalculable harm.” Trump, too, wants to scale back foreign interventions. He is pulling out of Syria and drawing down in Afghanistan. Neither Democrats nor Republicans will make a principled argument for nation-building conducted by small numbers of soldiers, diplomats and aid workers: namely, that it is far cheaper to help foreign governments control their own territory than to deal with the terrorism, crime and disease that flourish in ungoverned areas.
To be sure, Trump would hardly agree with a great deal of what Sanders and Warren say. The senators focus on combating climate change and income inequality — problems whose existence Trump does not admit. They also strongly condemn authoritarianism and corruption — problems that Trump exemplifies rather than combats. And they stress the need to cooperate with allies, rather than to disparage them as Trump does.
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There are sharp limits to that cooperation, however. Warren, for example, writes that “we should encourage our allies to enhance their multilateral cooperation and build alternatives to China’s coercive diplomacy.” Great idea, except that Warren is as opposed as Trump to the most effective alternative to Chinese economic hegemony — the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
And Warren’s desire to aid allies doesn’t preclude her from demanding that U.S. troops be brought “home from Afghanistan and Iraq.” It would be interesting to find out how she squares this exit strategy with her support for “human rights abroad,” since a U.S. exit would be a boon to horrific human rights violators such as the Islamic State and the Taliban. But Warren never confronts the obvious contradiction.
Nor do Warren and Sanders explain how they can stand up to authoritarian regimes such as China and Russia while cutting defense spending. Like Trump, they engage in wishful thinking by imagining that if the United States does less, our allies will do more. More likely, they will simply accommodate themselves to predatory states such as Iran, Russia and China — or else take destabilizing actions such as acquiring nuclear weapons.
UncleBuck
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I’ve taken shits that made more sense than that
londonfog
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Your argument is weak. I don't think you want to have this conversation with me but please do show where I called them racist or are you making shit up in an attempt to hold an argument and again I have no problem saying FUCK them Sambos who voted for the 1994 crime act. You think I would not because they black ? wrong is fucking wrong. and do learn the meaning of the word racist. you toss it around too easily. Please stop you hurting the meaning of the word.