Energy Saving Spiral 85 watt BC

i got i a 30w 6400k which has been growning a couple. i got i new one the Spiral 85 watt 2700k i want to put them both in there but its big i think i might need a fan .. do you think
does anyone know how many lumens it makes..and how hot does the 2700k one get as one blue one is warm but never hot..

The cfl's don't get very hot.
Are you gona use them both in veg and flower?

can u use for both?

even though it is a cfl it will still make the cabinet warm, you want a fan on them anyway to help promote stem growth. There have been people that have used both, but you are gonna want more of the blue spectrum for veg.

How many lumens does the Spiral 85 watt 2700k (make..???)