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DrFrankenstien
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I took some clones yesterday the, countdown begins,
Kief Moon
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Here's my room reset. Day 6 of flower. I put the plants under the screen & vegged for a week with CO2 @ 900. The plants were vegged for 8 weeks under CFLs so tall but not very bushy. 2 per 4x4 due to plant counts. One of them in the middle tray snapped off while setting the screen. I hope I didn't fill the other screens too much while letting the middle fill in. We'll know soon enough I guess. 
I also took out 3 Raptor hoods & replaced them with 2 Gavita Pro 1000DE's. I'm exited to try these. They are open hoods but the room is actually running cooler and brighter.
I also took out 3 Raptor hoods & replaced them with 2 Gavita Pro 1000DE's. I'm exited to try these. They are open hoods but the room is actually running cooler and brighter.
woodsmantoker
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Keep us posted kief. You have a side by side going with the new and the old lighting?
Kief Moon
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Kinda. It shouldn't be a fair contest since there are 3 Raptor/Hortilux/Crappy mag ballasts vs. 2 Gavita Pro1000DE light fixtures that include digital ballasts. Each side is 4'x12'6". I've read the Gavita's can cover up to a 4'x6' so I'm trying them. They are dimmable with a super lumen setting of 1150. The first week they were set at 1000 then up to 1150 till the end if the girls under the lights can take it. If they end up close in yield I'll add 2 more Gavitas to save on power. The plants have grown a lot just since the above picture and appear to be equal at this point. I'll post pix as they progress. Here's a shot of the lights.
Sofia Dali
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amazing set up Kief! im at day 55 now with the girls.. bubbas getting a flush and Jacks packin on the weight. 
woodsmantoker
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Sofia, a breath of fresh air! SCROG ART! a new addition to the thread. I dig it! Colors!
Sofia Dali
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THANKS! now I just need for Keif to invite me over to his pad and kick some wicked colours up. I would really enjoy painting his wooden frames and decorating those scrog frames of his. I think I would do it Tie Die like. then On each of the tall wooden 2 by 4s that stick up I would put down a lil shelf and glue down a lava lamp. it would looks soooo trippy. For the walls im thinkin maybe some abstract modern art, like Mondrian's simply complimentary color squares . the possibilities are LIMITLESS! lol, but it still looks great just the way it is Kief!! im choppin bubba tonite and so I will cut away both scrog screens. I have yet to decide if I will re scrog Jack for her last few weeks. Have a nice weekend SCROGGERZ!
Kief Moon
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Sofia. Come on over! You're right. They need to be completed. I can see your vision for them. Diggin it! But how many watts do lava lamps pull? LOL!
DrFrankenstien
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My scrog is goin outta control, wow... She's really impressing me.. I'm flipping this week
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yktind
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So far i have read 120 pages and man what great info so far. I thought I would throw this up in-case anyone was wondering about light output and what not.
This is based on a 600 watt iPower HPS bulb w/ 85,000 lumen out put. Also this is inside a typical 4'x4' grow tent.
Basically this tells me exactly where my netting should be to make full use of my light... without going into a vertical setup.
Also in my setup my girls can be about 6" away from the light <--- not to start but at finish. I try to stay about 10" or so.
I'll be starting my Scrog in mid October. My net is 6"x6" though so i may add some lines
This is based on a 600 watt iPower HPS bulb w/ 85,000 lumen out put. Also this is inside a typical 4'x4' grow tent.
Basically this tells me exactly where my netting should be to make full use of my light... without going into a vertical setup.
Also in my setup my girls can be about 6" away from the light <--- not to start but at finish. I try to stay about 10" or so.
I'll be starting my Scrog in mid October. My net is 6"x6" though so i may add some lines
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Kief Moon
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Update: Day 14 of 12/12. First pic was Sept 1st, the day they went under the screen. 12 OG Kush in 10g Eco pots under 5k. Vegged for 10 days, then flipped on 9/11. Second pic taken day 14 shows the difference in color from the lighting. Left: 2 Gavita Pro 1000DE's. Right: 3 Raptor/Hortilux/Mag ballasts. The Gavitas are 3' over the canopy. Raptors are 2'. I ran veg nutes one week into flower training once a day. At 2 weeks the stretch is about over and I'm slowly cleaning everything out under the screen. So far I couldn't be happier. Can hardly tell I broke off half of one plant in the middle screen.
Bear Country
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That is impressive! Nice job. So how long is the training process and the overall veg period to do something like that?? Before its ready to flip to 12/12?
Kief Moon
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Thanks Bear Country. The clones were taken just before my last round so about 10 weeks. I vegged them under T5s. They went from cube to party cup, then 2 & 5 gallon pots. They were put into the 10 gallon right as they went into the room. They were 4' tall when they went under the screen but not very bushy as you an see in the first pic but had a decent root ball. I trained them for the 10 days of veg under MH bulbs (18/6) & another 10 into flower before the screen was full, then let them go. There will be no leaves left under the screen in another week to avoid popcorn.
Bear Country
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So I was looking at your pictures again....how big is each square...each wooden frame? Like 4'x4' or larger? How many plants does it take to fill each wooden square? Lastly...how tall will the canopy end up from floor to top of canopy? Hope you dont mind all the questions..I have been thinking about trying something like this for a while now.
10 weeks to this stage from the time you took cuttings? It takes me about 15 days to get a nice little plant from seed. 15 days before it needs to come out of the party cup. How long is it taking you to root the clones before they go into party cups?
woodsmantoker
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Pod cycling: for multi light caregiver type operation (though works just fine small scale). Seperate rooms are necessary.
Well rooted clones go into 2gal pots (or similar) and get started training. Different plants will respond differently to stress; knowing your strain/pheno traits etc. first, eliminates the guessing game and the methods used to train become routine for each type of plant. I am typically interesed in fast indica hybrids (for effect) that stay low profile over the screen. That means LST/bending and tieing techniques are used more in my gardens however, topping and other techniques may produce better results depending on the plants "growth pattern", stress responce, health, or type of trellising, size, and or methods there after (mainlining etc.).
These plants remain in a vegitative cycle while growing larger and training continues. The plants during this time are being worked into an ideal shape to fill what ever size and shape screen frame that is being used (I have come to appreciate 2x2' on wheels, four fit well under a 600 - 1000 watt light and also fit through most doorways). Once the plants surface area is nearly 50% of the screens surface area (controlling height becomes a skill set here, don't want too short or too tall of plants in order to slide them in under a screen frame unless it has raising and lowering capabilities) they are entered into the Scrog pod (single plant unit on wheels). The plants are introduced to full intensity lighting (what ever wattage will be flowering them. Ie. If its a 1000 watt hps flowering room, plants will be introduced to 1000 watt MH) and trained to fill the surface are entirely while remaining on a vegitative cycle (unless a stretchy plant / sativa dom, in that case veg and train till 70% or so is full, add secondary trellis above canopy for additional cola support). Once full, lateral training stops and the scrog pod is moved into a flowering room. From there, only maintenance is done.
With 6K in the flowering room, 2k in vegg, and a t5 or similar for clone vegging, one pound per week is easily achievable: six weeks flowering strains, four 2'x2' scrog pods per light and entering the flowering room every week in groups of four pods.. 4 pods under each light in scrog vegg, two weeks apart. 8 clones in groups of four, two weeks apart. Sooo, goes like this.
4 clones go from cloner to t5. A week later they have been trained and spend another week there getting larger while four more join them under the T5. After the second week they are entering a scrog pod and placed under a 600 -1000watt light to vegg and fill screen. The next week it moves over to the next vegg light (different vegg spectrum?) As each before it moves up into its place. After the second week of HID scrog vegg, the four pods move into the flowering room and start a six light/week journy to the end. With four 2x2s, 4 oz per plant, comming out a week apart, that's one lb per week.
Well rooted clones go into 2gal pots (or similar) and get started training. Different plants will respond differently to stress; knowing your strain/pheno traits etc. first, eliminates the guessing game and the methods used to train become routine for each type of plant. I am typically interesed in fast indica hybrids (for effect) that stay low profile over the screen. That means LST/bending and tieing techniques are used more in my gardens however, topping and other techniques may produce better results depending on the plants "growth pattern", stress responce, health, or type of trellising, size, and or methods there after (mainlining etc.).
These plants remain in a vegitative cycle while growing larger and training continues. The plants during this time are being worked into an ideal shape to fill what ever size and shape screen frame that is being used (I have come to appreciate 2x2' on wheels, four fit well under a 600 - 1000 watt light and also fit through most doorways). Once the plants surface area is nearly 50% of the screens surface area (controlling height becomes a skill set here, don't want too short or too tall of plants in order to slide them in under a screen frame unless it has raising and lowering capabilities) they are entered into the Scrog pod (single plant unit on wheels). The plants are introduced to full intensity lighting (what ever wattage will be flowering them. Ie. If its a 1000 watt hps flowering room, plants will be introduced to 1000 watt MH) and trained to fill the surface are entirely while remaining on a vegitative cycle (unless a stretchy plant / sativa dom, in that case veg and train till 70% or so is full, add secondary trellis above canopy for additional cola support). Once full, lateral training stops and the scrog pod is moved into a flowering room. From there, only maintenance is done.
With 6K in the flowering room, 2k in vegg, and a t5 or similar for clone vegging, one pound per week is easily achievable: six weeks flowering strains, four 2'x2' scrog pods per light and entering the flowering room every week in groups of four pods.. 4 pods under each light in scrog vegg, two weeks apart. 8 clones in groups of four, two weeks apart. Sooo, goes like this.
4 clones go from cloner to t5. A week later they have been trained and spend another week there getting larger while four more join them under the T5. After the second week they are entering a scrog pod and placed under a 600 -1000watt light to vegg and fill screen. The next week it moves over to the next vegg light (different vegg spectrum?) As each before it moves up into its place. After the second week of HID scrog vegg, the four pods move into the flowering room and start a six light/week journy to the end. With four 2x2s, 4 oz per plant, comming out a week apart, that's one lb per week.
woodsmantoker
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Proof read and edit later...super tired and late.
Kief Moon
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There are 6 4x4' screens, 2 plants per screen. The screens are about 3 1/2' from the floor & the tallest tops are about 5'. Vegging this round was an experiment. I no longer have a veg room. You can see in the 2nd picture where I removed a wall in my flower room to add 2 more HPSs. That was where my veg room was. Last round I bought plants from a buddy with a huge op. This time I didn't want to buy plants so I cleared out a 3'x5' closet at my house. Since I had so little room for 12 plants I was trying to keep them small. They were 3' tall in 3-4 weeks. I had more than 12 but sold the rest on Craigslist to cover the cost of running the T5s. They were supercropped & trimmed a lot to fit in the closet. Obviously, grown correctly with MH they could have been 7' in 10 weeks.
F.M.I.L.Y
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Proof read? we are stoners, it looks great and nice write up!
Peace
FM
@Kief nice pics bro, blow those pics up, your garden is BOMB!!!