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lilmafia513 said:

Did I read in this thread that SCROG is more suitable for Sativa based strains??

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I thought it was indica haha. my personal thought would be a 50/50 hybrid but im far from expert. this belladonna in dwc getting ready to go under the net.

Characteristics

Type: Sativa/Indica
Flowering time: 60 days indoors. Outdoors middle of October (n.L.)
Yield: 450-500 g per m2 indoors. Outdoors up to 600 g per plant
Environment: Indoors. Outdoors between 55º n.L. and 55º s.L..
Effect /Buzz: trippy
Smell/Taste: fruity/ pungent
THC: 15-18%

("Mostly sativa with indica tendencies, Belladonna is an ideal cross for quality and yield")...is the breeders description.

this is currently waiting to go under the net while the group photo is of previous grow and 1st scrog.

Well, I was planning on SCROG'ing my dina chem i just sprouted. It's 65%sativa- 35% Indica

From Dinafem on "DINACHEM":

Dinachem is the latest version of the mythical elite clone ChemDog, in the seed form.


To reproduce and enhance its vigor, we have used an original clone and we have crossed it with a select clone of Guava Chem, injecting new energy and vigor, yet preserving its delicious flavor of authentic original ChemDog.


The ChemDog has an incredible pedigree, it is the mother of NYC Diesel, Sour Diesel and OG Kush. It´s an elite clone isolated in 1991, in the East Coast of the USA.


The clone is 21 years old and has lost a lot of vigor, leading to a declining production.


We found interesting the project of gathering the quality of ChemDog in the seed form and bring back the vigor and productivity that every grower wants.


The GuavaChem (or GuayabaChem in Spanish), is the result of the 4th generation of ChemDog stabilized, grown by the same breeder for many years and is very close to be an IBL or Inbreeding Line, a genetic line very stable and uniform.


It looks very much like the original clone, available in seed, which allows us to keep genetics for a long time and also select the best to cross with the mother.


We have to acknowledge the participation in this project of the legendary breeder and creator of the strain, ChemDog, which has contributed with Guava Chem seeds and the elite clone.


From this batch of seeds we selected the most stable plants and best quality to cross them with the original clone.


Dinachem´s aroma and flavor is eye popping, getting your attention right away. It´s an unique taste, pungent and fragrant, like lemon mixed with petroleum and a hint of pine leaves.


Dinachem Effect


Powerful, pleasant and relaxing.
Highlighting its capacity for pain and anxiety.
Moreover stimulates the appetite powerfully.
All these features make it desirable for both, recreational and medicinal use.


There is an extended believe, about this strain, that expresses its full potential when grown with chemical fertilisers, which we deny.


In the hands of experienced growers and cultivated by biological means is simply delicious.


Dinachem is a complex project made possible thanks to the work of many people in two continents, we hope you like it


Sex: Feminized
Sativa/indica (65-35%)
GuavaChem x Original Chemdawg 91
Indoor flowering: 60 days
Outdoor harvest: Mid-October
Indoor yield: 500 g/m2
Outdoor height: 2,5 m

Scrog is definitely the way to go for sativa. It'll keep that higher stretching canopy nice and even so your photo zone puts out a good yield. Otherwise in SOG the light is really just blasting the tops of colas and dissipating big time as you move further from the bulb.

The photo-zone is what it's all about!

I'm on day 13 of flower in my first DWC SCROG grow. Stretch will soon be over so I'd appreciate a few tips.

1) My plants have always had lots of large fan leaves. Right now net is covered by a thick canopy and very little light is geting to the nodes. How should I deal with that? Right now I feel those leaves are providing energy needed for the rapid growth in the stretch phase, but I'm not sure how to proceed once buds start forming. Should I thin those leaves out to allow more light to penetrate to the nodes, or should I just leave it alone and wait for the buds to grow over the canopy? Do the buds need light themselves or will they use the energy from the neighbouring fan leaves to sustain their growth?

2) When is the right time to stop tucking the new growth under the net and to let it grow up? I have read people saying from 2 weeks to 3 weeks. Do I need to let some of the branches grow vertically over the net before the buds form? Should I let it grow vertically a bit before the stretch ends, or should I let it grow under the net untill the stretch ends?

Spanky84 said:

I'm on day 13 of flower in my first DWC SCROG grow. Stretch will soon be over so I'd appreciate a few tips.

1) My plants have always had lots of large fan leaves. Right now net is covered by a thick canopy and very little light is geting to the nodes. How should I deal with that? Right now I feel those leaves are providing energy needed for the rapid growth in the stretch phase, but I'm not sure how to proceed once buds start forming. Should I thin those leaves out to allow more light to penetrate to the nodes, or should I just leave it alone and wait for the buds to grow over the canopy? Do the buds need light themselves or will they use the energy from the neighbouring fan leaves to sustain their growth?

2) When is the right time to stop tucking the new growth under the net and to let it grow up? I have read people saying from 2 weeks to 3 weeks. Do I need to let some of the branches grow vertically over the net before the buds form? Should I let it grow vertically a bit before the stretch ends, or should I let it grow under the net untill the stretch ends?

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1) IMHO defoliation can dramatically increase yields in a SCROG grow. I pulled all of fan leaves on my last grow and ended up with a nice screen of buds.. This is a helpful link: http://growweedeasy.com/marijuana-defoliation-tutorial

2) IMHO wait until the stretch is close to finishing. If you stop tucking too soon your canopy can get too tall and could need more support. You have been at 12/12 for 2 weeks now so you should already see some smaller colas on the tips right? I believe the stretch should be close to finishing between 2 and 3 weeks.

This pic is close to harvest on my last SCROG. Almost all of the fan leaves were removed in late veg and early to mid flower..

Ok im harvesting now which means
I can start my first scrog.

I have a possible problem already
and that is the plants are already
taller than I would like.

I have topped them several times and
plan to simply put them in place and supercrop them down to my desired screen height and put the screen on them.

It sounds more like a head start than a problem but I just want to verify that this is an acceptable practice.

I watched a video where a fellow did it this way but didn't show end result.

This run im going to use one light for a scrog and use my other for different strains. If this works out I will double down next time.

I actually have the space for 4
lights with space to still move around.

Ultimate Goal
4 lights and a legit co2 system.

charface said:

Ok im harvesting now which means
I can start my first scrog.

I have a possible problem already
and that is the plants are already
taller than I would like.

I have topped them several times and
plan to simply put them in place and supercrop them down to my desired screen height and put the screen on them.

It sounds more like a head start than a problem but I just want to verify that this is an acceptable practice.

I watched a video where a fellow did it this way but didn't show end result.

This run im going to use one light for a scrog and use my other for different strains. If this works out I will double down next time.

I actually have the space for 4
lights with space to still move around.

Ultimate Goal
4 lights and a legit co2 system.

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Supercropping is a great technique to use with a scrog IMHO. It is easy but a little scary the first time. On my last scrog I had to supercrop plants already 34" high with large stems. I used a pair of pliers to carefully crush the stems (about a 3/4" area) and threw a screen on top. They looked sad for the first day or 2 but then really took off. Just remember on a scrog the idea is to fill your screen while keeping the tops as even as possible. Remember if one of the main tops gets too much taller than the rest of the branch the plant will try to put it's main growth into the top instead of equaling it out through secondary branches... keep your tips down until its filled.

I appreciate it.
I never thought about how tough those low stalks are gonna be. Ill use pliers and a rag if need be.

Yea, I tried a finger pinch on larger stalks before and didn't get a good pinch on some of the stalks... What happened?? What happened was a couple of stalks broke instead of bending over. The idea is to crush the inside of the stem while leaving the the outside intact. If you don't crush the inside enough the outside will sometimes break.... if that happens I've read that taping it up will heal it.

Lol. I'm a plant mangler.
never tangled with the thick end
but I aint scared. :thumbup:

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MuckyDucky said:

Yea, I tried a finger pinch on larger stalks before and didn't get a good pinch on some of the stalks... What happened?? What happened was a couple of stalks broke instead of bending over. The idea is to crush the inside of the stem while leaving the the outside intact. If you don't crush the inside enough the outside will sometimes break.... if that happens I've read that taping it up will heal it.

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Definitely been there and know how sad it is. Just pinch the fuck out of that stalk in a nice 1"-2" area and slowly bend that top while occasionally pinching on its way down.

greetings,
ive read about how to scrog but im still a little fuzzy about the actual application
it seems to me that you are supposed to kind of force the plant to weave in and out of the screen so that when flowers get heavy it will take weight off the plant itself so that she can concentrate on essential life cycle functions. is this correct?
if i have messed this up in any way please let me know
oh and just for a bit of backround
plant is day45 of veg (day 61 form seed) mainlined to eight nodes
FFOF
FF full line
neem oil
advanced led ds100
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obviously about half way done before i figured that i should ask for some experience, any you could share would be greatly appreciated
peace

You're doing it perfect man. The goal of scrog is really just to spread the canopy so that all the colas are equal height, that way they're all at the same level in the photo zone and produce the fattest buds as opposed to elongated colas with popcorn nugs below. Without scrog or great training you're really just hitting the plant with optimal light at pin-points (the untrained tops). Ultimately you want 1' of stalk leading up to the screen where the photo zone should start- 400w=2.5'x2.5', 600w=3.5'x3.5' and so on! The photo zone should all be totally level, like I said that's the main goal.

My main recommendation would be on your next run invest in much thicker screen material such as 14-20 gauge speaker wire from casa depoto. What you're using now will most definitely cut into the plant and hinder production, hope I'm wrong! Looking great for your first scrog though!

Built my 5x5 net out of 1in pvc
3in squars
Went with polished hemp.

Drilled a shitload of holes and tied many
knots and my fingers are raw.
Ill post as I go.

Initial placement is done.
Gonna go in later and get the branches
where I want them.
Screen is actually pretty full considering
this afwreck stretches a good bit.

I can walk all tge way around it.
it is tall enough I can get under it easily.
There is a good path down the middle
underneath to work in.

Did take up a bigger chunk of space than
I had envisioned.

Hey everybody! I'm a little lost I was keeping track of this thread and making notes of what I considered important info. Last time I checked I was reading page 396, however, now the thread has only 224 pages Also I can't find the jump to button.
comments????

the old forum had a lot better customization enzo. it sounds like you were viewing threads at 10-posts per page back then, now it appears everyone is stuck at 20 per page. sounds like you want to go back to page 198 or so to pick up again. highlight the url and replace 224 with 198 I suppose

https://www.rollitup.org/t/enter-the-scrog-scroggers-united-post-page.515987/page-224

Update.
I know im bunched in the center but I can deal with that.
What I need to know is if you would flip or wait. Im working with a pretty stretchy strain.

I did top them several times so the new
growth is really tight. Not sure how that
will pan out.
Suggeztions are welcome.


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charface said:

Update.
I know im bunched in the center but I can deal with that.
What I need to know is if you would flip or wait. Im working with a pretty stretchy strain.

I did top them several times so the new
growth is really tight. Not sure how that
will pan out.
Suggeztions are welcome.
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id say thats up to you, most people would want their whole screen filled in with green but it shouldnt matter?

frizzlegooch said:

id say thats up to you, most people would want their whole screen filled in with green but it shouldnt matter?

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I want it full at the end of stretch.
The reason im doing this is to maximise my space so too much either way I see problems.
Im gonna go a bit longer maybe a week then look hardd at it again.
Thanks for looking.
Im probably over thinking it but you know how it is your first time.
Reading can only prepare you up to a point then reality presents its bad self.