Grow'N'Smoke
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Woodsman, what kind of light are you growing under?
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After having read this thread I'm leaning more towards using LST before training into a SCROG to maximize my yield as I've only got 36" of height from the ground and only enough available floor space for two plants. However, I was also thinking of topping once the main cola makes it to the screen and training the upper colas through the wire while the undergrowth catches up. Seems like LST trumps topping. Any suggestions? Preferances? I'm just starting to get my dresser grow box together. Can't wait to start my journal! This thread has been a tremendous help already! Thanks to all.
woodsmantoker
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Scrog is a method focused on uniformity and gaining an even plane of which to provide "equal opportunity lighting". The same is true when training a plant for scrog thus manipulating the growth in a manner that focuses energy at one part of the plant, such as the topping or fimming of a plant, is working against the base concept and unnecessary. Low Stress Training with a focus on symmetry will allow a plant to grow asymmetrically with little to no size difference in branches vs. actual top of the plant. There will be no bunching of tightly grouped branches as would be true with a topped plant if not trained then again prior to be placed into the scrog.
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Grow'N'Smoke
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I prefer to us Uncle bens topping technique for 4 main tops before I put a plant in Scrog. It gives me more surface to start the screen and fills it in faster when put into flowering so the plant needs less time in veg. This also gives me a perfect clone to start me next grow with.
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To Woodsman, thanks for helping me understand the concept behind LST a little better. I tried reading your response last night, but I was a bit out of it 
and couldn't really "get" what you were saying. But I totally get it now. I'm going to research the technique a bit more before deciding on my approach.
And to Grow'N'Smoke. Thanks for your advice. Topping does seem like a good method, particularly because it cuts down on veg time and seems to allow for more of the branches to be trained at the same time.
I'm going to continue looking around the forums/web for as much info as I can gather before I start. Love the thread!!! Keep it coming!
and couldn't really "get" what you were saying. But I totally get it now. I'm going to research the technique a bit more before deciding on my approach.And to Grow'N'Smoke. Thanks for your advice. Topping does seem like a good method, particularly because it cuts down on veg time and seems to allow for more of the branches to be trained at the same time.
I'm going to continue looking around the forums/web for as much info as I can gather before I start. Love the thread!!! Keep it coming!
Shackleford.R
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not a scrogger yet.. but i'm VERY interested in the technique. subbing so i can steal ideas 
Shack
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not a scrogger yet.. but i'm VERY interested in the technique. subbing so i can steal ideas
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No point in stealing when we'll give it up willingly.
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Grow'N'Smoke
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Most sativas stretch to 3 times there size or more once put into veg. I know nothing about Jack Herer, save what's written in The Big Book of Buds, but in general leave 60% of your net or more for veg.
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Jay_normous
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Mine is in it's seconed week of flowering and Im confused to wether I pull and re train the stalks that are sticking up or leave them to grow as they are,
Currently they are about 3" above the screen..
Grow'N'Smoke
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I prefer to train my plants until after they quit growing and begin to fully develope buds. I like to make sure that the only part of the plant that is above the screen is the buds. This allows great lighting to an even layer of leaves just below the screen.
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Thundernuts
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I have a few questions about scrog.Is there a certain size the screen holes should be?Would it be just like a steel mesh fence size?Bigger,smaller?Also,i will be starting out from seed,will this help or hinder me,and if so,how?
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Grow'N'Smoke
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There is no set screen size, I've found that 2" squares are easy to work with. Seeds are going to be very difficult if they are not femenized. It probably wont be too easy to untangle and remove the males from the screen when they finally show sex. It would be wise to either purchase femenized seeds or wait until you have some clones to Scrog.
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seasmoke
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Could the screen(a very long one, say 4ftx20ft) be put on two "rolls" fastened on both ends of a 4x8 table(like a conveyor belt) and as the buds grow up through the screen, you gently "roll" the screen across the table, using the screen to automaticly lower and "adjust" the bud sites as they pass over them?
Thundernuts
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The seeds i will be using are big bang feminized seeds from ghs.Do you still recommend clones,or will seeds do the trick?
Grow'N'Smoke
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Understanding how marijuana grows is important in seeing why your idea wouldn't work as planned. The oldest part of a marijuana plant is the bottom node, that is the same part that was once just a sprout. As the plant grows taller new shoots grow out from the center of old nodes. So if you tied the top node to the net it would not continue to be the top node for long. What you would need to do instead is to tie down he next node as it grows out, with no need to adjust the net as he plant grows. I hope that answers your question.
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Grow'N'Smoke
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Seeds will work just fine, although if you have never grown before I wouldn't suggest starting with a scrog. They are a lot of work to do effectively and can seriously reduce yield if done badly.
If you purchased femenized seeds I would definately reccomend taking clones, they will give you plants to experiment with at no risk as well as supplying you with an endless amount of female plants at no cost.
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seasmoke
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You don't tie anything to the plant. You let the screen "ride" over the plants, allowing the buds to poke up through abit. I'm thinking some 4"x4" square monofilemt net. Like a gillnet, used for commercial fishing, and that itself is only attached to the rolls. As it gets pulled across it may pop off over a bud, repositioning itself over the next one. The monofilmet shouldn't cause much drag, as long as your gentle rolling it no damage should be done to the buds. As long as its maintained, the netting shouldn't get tangled with the plant.
and if it did work, think about how much less you'd have to handle the plants....and bigger patches might become easier nto manage.
Thundernuts
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It will be my fourth time trying(first time with a scrog).So far,2 males,and one hermie.The one i have now(male) is just my test plant.Learning how to cut clones,and various trimming techniques with the free seeds first,then i will try them on a female plant.Check out my photos of my third attempt through my profile.It's only 39days old in those pics,but turned out to be a male last week.
It's my first time with a real light.Looks good except for being male.
It's my first time with a real light.Looks good except for being male.