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BigBudzzzz said:
Thinning this out will help a lot when you start flowering. I would wait awhile after trimming before I'd start flowering though.

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Idk why I'm trying to give you advice, hell i should be asking a question. Great looking first time scrog, experienced grower.


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Too late. Started flowering. I have plenty of time to trim and am not worried about lack of light penetration (That's a 1000 watter in 8 square feet). Also, I took a closer look at the undergrowth and hardly any vital growth is trapped or blocked out.

Appreciate the advice, though, and will probably cut some stuff out as flowering progresses.
 

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lordjin said:
Too late. Started flowering. I have plenty of time to trim and am not worried about lack of light penetratrion (That's a 1000 watter in 8 square feet). Also, I took a closer look at the undergrowth and hardly any vital growth is trapped or blocked out.

Appreciate the advice, though, and will probably cut some stuff out as flowering progresses.
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Kool I'll be watching, on another note. I might bug you about your hydro setup. Do you have a thread where you built it? I havnt checked your threads yet, lazy. LoL. I'm considering a water farm. Dirt was good for me to have at the time because of location and noise but now that Im in a better location it doesnt matter. I tried to look at the pix you put up and was wondering what are the little round things, bubblers? Any info to get me around wasting money on shit i dont need would be helpful. I cant afford a learning curve!! I'm primarily using Flora-Nova Nutes from Gen. Hydro. and dont want to have to purchase a whole new regiment of nutes. They have an outline for both so I should be ok on that other than learning the diff PH level's etc. I'm currently using a 2X2 tent and its just too small for my new 400w HPS. I got some cheap idea's to expand space wise but how to build a good hydro system is what I'm looking for now. I've seen a lot of DIY set-up's but I want it to be good from the start so I dont end up rebuilding some shit bec I didnt like certain things I didnt know from the start.:bigjoint:
 
BigBudzzzz said:
Kool I'll be watching, on another note. I might bug you about your hydro setup. Do you have a thread where you built it? I havnt checked your threads yet, lazy. LoL. I'm considering a water farm. Dirt was good for me to have at the time because of location and noise but now that Im in a better location it doesnt matter. I tried to look at the pix you put up and was wondering what are the little round things, bubblers? Any info to get me around wasting money on shit i dont need would be helpful. I cant afford a learning curve!! I'm primarily using Flora-Nova Nutes from Gen. Hydro. and dont want to have to purchase a whole new regiment of nutes. They have an outline for both so I should be ok on that other than learning the diff PH level's etc. I'm currently using a 2X2 tent and its just too small for my new 400w HPS. I got some cheap idea's to expand space wise but how to build a good hydro system is what I'm looking for now. I've seen a lot of DIY set-up's but I want it to be good from the start so I dont end up rebuilding some shit bec I didnt like certain things I didnt know from the start.:bigjoint:
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I'll help u a bit. What space u working with first if your ditching the 2x2? I'll give a few recommendations pros/cons...

Waterfarm: Good if you have 4 or less... They become tedious with large plants that drink 1-2 gals a day making your EC spike in the 2 gal rez. Only way I've seen these successfully working in a larger setup (8+) is converting them to top drip and adding a system rez they all drain back to. They also require a bit of cleaning atleast montly as the drip ring likes to clog. I suggest removing the tube that holds the water column and replacing it with 1" pvc pipe. Then you have some space to put a airline for a stone in the rez and you can pull the water column out for cleaning without the damn clips/bottom plastic nozzle getting stuck in the damn tube...sry that drove me crazy lol But they have awesome growth as you've seen from Scottyballs & Dayzt here. But you will be committed to tend to them DAILY sometimes twice a day. No vacations, be prepared lol

Ebb&flo/Tables: Large tables and rezs are nice if you have the space. A 4x4 table with a 70 gal rez is very very stable and you could leave it untouched for a week without too much PH or EC swing. Build a table out of 2x4s to save some dough. Only downside is they make a bit of noise while flooding and are rather large. I personally use a 4x4 for veg, and a 3x3 & 4x4 for flowering. They are nice to just move the pots over into flower. Also the setup is flexible, I can run 12 plants or 20 depending on pot size. Medium/Fast growth rate, not quite as impressive as a waterfarm tho TBH. Consider how you will drain the large rez though (70 gal is 550+lbs), I use a 396 pump and 1/2 hose to my bathtub.

DWC: Great if you have a large rez for each plant and the solution can be kept around 68-75 degrees at the most. Heat is a huge enemy in DWC or RDWC. Anyone dropping 2 grand on Undercurrents should be spending another 500 on that chiller because the difference it makes is day and night. Nutrients are usually kept about half strength in these setups as 100% root contact demands a more timid solution. Huge plants with massive fan leaves, a single plant can be grown in a 20 gal tub that fills an entire 4x4 scrog screen and yields over 1.5 lbs under 1000w. Plant count will depend on legality and length your willing to veg. Less time you have to veg the more plants you will need for same yield.

and of course there's Aero, but I wouldn't bother unless it's high pressure, and those setups are expensive. Low pressure aero is just a lame form of NFT imo. Ok hope that helps get your mind stirring.
 
Someguy15 said:
I'll help u a bit. What space u working with first if your ditching the 2x2? I'll give a few recommendations pros/cons...

Waterfarm: Good if you have 4 or less... They become tedious with large plants that drink 1-2 gals a day making your EC spike in the 2 gal rez. Only way I've seen these successfully working in a larger setup (8+) is converting them to top drip and adding a system rez they all drain back to. They also require a bit of cleaning atleast montly as the drip ring likes to clog. I suggest removing the tube that holds the water column and replacing it with 1" pvc pipe. Then you have some space to put a airline for a stone in the rez and you can pull the water column out for cleaning without the damn clips/bottom plastic nozzle getting stuck in the damn tube...sry that drove me crazy lol But they have awesome growth as you've seen from Scottyballs & Dayzt here. But you will be committed to tend to them DAILY sometimes twice a day. No vacations, be prepared lol

Ebb&flo/Tables: Large tables and rezs are nice if you have the space. A 4x4 table with a 70 gal rez is very very stable and you could leave it untouched for a week without too much PH or EC swing. Build a table out of 2x4s to save some dough. Only downside is they make a bit of noise while flooding and are rather large. I personally use a 4x4 for veg, and a 3x3 & 4x4 for flowering. They are nice to just move the pots over into flower. Also the setup is flexible, I can run 12 plants or 20 depending on pot size. Medium/Fast growth rate, not quite as impressive as a waterfarm tho TBH. Consider how you will drain the large rez though (70 gal is 550+lbs), I use a 396 pump and 1/2 hose to my bathtub.

DWC: Great if you have a large rez for each plant and the solution can be kept around 68-75 degrees at the most. Heat is a huge enemy in DWC or RDWC. Anyone dropping 2 grand on Undercurrents should be spending another 500 on that chiller because the difference it makes is day and night. Nutrients are usually kept about half strength in these setups as 100% root contact demands a more timid solution. Huge plants with massive fan leaves, a single plant can be grown in a 20 gal tub that fills an entire 4x4 scrog screen and yields over 1.5 lbs under 1000w. Plant count will depend on legality and length your willing to veg. Less time you have to veg the more plants you will need for same yield.

and of course there's Aero, but I wouldn't bother unless it's high pressure, and those setups are expensive. Low pressure aero is just a lame form of NFT imo. Ok hope that helps get your mind stirring.
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Now I'm really thinking I should stay with my dirt and get me some water-rings to go with my old pump and resovoir set-up. I had spikes but it didnt distibute the water properly but at least I could set it to water if I was away and not have to worry. IDK, more maint. isnt what i need right now. Hmmmm u got me stirred thats for sure.:wall:

I'm gonna sleep on that one............:sleep:
 
lordjin said:
Too late. Started flowering. I have plenty of time to trim and am not worried about lack of light penetration (That's a 1000 watter in 8 square feet). Also, I took a closer look at the undergrowth and hardly any vital growth is trapped or blocked out.

Appreciate the advice, though, and will probably cut some stuff out as flowering progresses.
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Although the undergrowth may not be blocking, the leaves themselves absorb the light, therefore screwing up the light distribution up top<---I'm not 100% sure but i think this is true, even though your running a 1000w(I'm so jealous) i also read the harvest process becomes that much more annoying/mold problems can quickly occur in hydro scrog, can any experienced scrogger agree/correct on this?
 
NoSwag said:
Although the undergrowth may not be blocking, the leaves themselves absorb the light, therefore screwing up the light distribution up top<---I'm not 100% sure but i think this is true, even though your running a 1000w(I'm so jealous) i also read the harvest process becomes that much more annoying/mold problems can quickly occur in hydro scrog, can any experienced scrogger agree/correct on this?
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My opinion differs regarding your statement of large fan leaves taking away from the tops. The plant operates as a whole, separate parts of it do not act independently of the plant's ultimate goal. The fan leaves draw energy from the light and channel to the tops, resulting in stronger overall growth.

I have steady air circulation above and below screen and I'm keeping a sharp eye out for PM.
 
lordjin said:
My opinion differs regarding your statement of large fan leaves taking away from the tops. The plant operates as a whole, separate parts of it do not act independently of the plant's ultimate goal. The fan leaves draw energy from the light and channel to the tops, resulting in stronger overall growth.

I have steady air circulation above and below screen and I'm keeping a sharp eye out for PM.
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Very nice, well I would suggest trim just for easier/cleaner plant maintenance imho, but it looks good, maybe not trimming=more yield from popcorn buds under aha :D

still new to scrogging as well, i hope when it comes time ill be doing it correctly
 
lordjin said:
My opinion differs regarding your statement of large fan leaves taking away from the tops. The plant operates as a whole, separate parts of it do not act independently of the plant's ultimate goal. The fan leaves draw energy from the light and channel to the tops, resulting in stronger overall growth.

I have steady air circulation above and below screen and I'm keeping a sharp eye out for PM.
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you've been right on with pretty much everything so far, your fan leaves under the screen are fine the way they are(scattered and not clumped together) I would leave as many as possible since they'll be helping ya later on in flower....as long they fit the prior criteria. Unless you're growing c99 or something else that loves to mold up, then, your good. Another reason....you'll want to pluck a good portion of the leaves above the screen that are blocking lower buds once stretch has stopped and it would be better if you have some of those leaves under the screen to compensate during the end stages. Also, once stretch and/or training has stopped and everything below the screen is in place, I would get some of the leaves that are grouping together at screen level. I'm really glad you said that you started flower already, completely forgot to ask. How far into flower? How stretchy are these? You may need to keep training just a little longer or cut some of the sites out in order to maintain a proper spacing/height above the screen ratio. lookin forward to an update
 
NoSwag said:
Very nice, well I would suggest trim just for easier/cleaner plant maintenance imho, but it looks good, maybe not trimming=more yield from popcorn buds under aha :D

still new to scrogging as well, i hope when it comes time ill be doing it correctly
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trim all the popcorn out, leave some of the leaves

 

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teddiekgb123 said:
you've been right on with pretty much everything so far, your fan leaves under the screen are fine the way they are(scattered and not clumped together) I would leave as many as possible since they'll be helping ya later on in flower....as long they fit the prior criteria. Unless you're growing c99 or something else that loves to mold up, then, your good. Another reason....you'll want to pluck a good portion of the leaves above the screen that are blocking lower buds once stretch has stopped and it would be better if you have some of those leaves under the screen to compensate during the end stages. Also, once stretch and/or training has stopped and everything below the screen is in place, I would get some of the leaves that are grouping together at screen level. I'm really glad you said that you started flower already, completely forgot to ask. How far into flower? How stretchy are these? You may need to keep training just a little longer or cut some of the sites out in order to maintain a proper spacing/height above the screen ratio. lookin forward to an update
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teddiekgb123 said:
trim all the popcorn out, leave some of the leaves


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Thanks for the input. I totally get what you're saying. I'm gonna tuck a bit more based on the recommendation of another experienced scrogger as well.

My under screen shot doesn't look too different from your example, so I feel pretty good about that. OG's are pretty well known for powdery mildew, so I'm keep a sharp watch.

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I'm only into day six of flower as of today. Stretching has been very minimal so far, but I know that won't last.
 
lordjin said:
Thanks for the input. I totally get what you're saying. I'm gonna tuck a bit more based on the recommendation of another experienced scrogger as well.

My under screen shot doesn't look too different from your example, so I feel pretty good about that. OG's are pretty well known for powdery mildew, so I'm keep a sharp watch.

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I'm only into day six of flower as of today. Stretching has been very minimal so far, but I know that won't last.
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i'm actully bout to sub to your grow, really looking foward to see your outcome, since the tahoe og is sold out on attitude atm, I have to wait for the next batch to come in :wall: Im about to try the connie chung from DNA and Berry bomb from bomb seeds, anyone have experience with these strains?
 
Someguy15

I see someone has finally adopted the raise and lower techniques similar to our own. Now you simply need a secondary upper canopy screen with the same features, ability to expand horizontally in both directions, and retractable/expandable mesh/screen....(gotta keep some things coveted ha) You guys are catching on and up! Get in touch with me Someguy15

Good post pal! (Care to share with the crowd how your screen can be moved?) Thanks!

Woodsmantoker~
 
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Someguy15

I see someone has finally adopted the raise and lower techniques similar to our own. Now you simply need a secondary upper canopy screen with the same features, ability to expand horizontally in both directions, and retractable/expandable mesh/screen....(gotta keep some things coveted ha) You guys are catching on and up! Get in touch with me Someguy15

Good post pal! (Care to share with the crowd how your screen can be moved?) Thanks!

Woodsmantoker~
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I would use a second screen if I had the vertical space. Something like 4x4 squares would be great for the top 12" of the plants. Instead I'm trying to find a middle ground of a true scrog (2x2 squares) and just a simple trellis. I also don't veg in my screens and demand my plants fill the screens totally in their stretch. For these reasons I have choose my screens to be anywhere from 14" to 18" from the medium. I'm thinking 3x3 holes will be the best for this height, but I really don't know hence why I made one of each. Perpetual has placed demands on me I couldn't accomplish with a true scrog where I had to veg the screen 3 or 4 weeks.

Actually, I found that 3/4" PVC pipe is a perfect fit in the corner of Botanicare trays. From there I just figured out how large the screen needed to be, cut the legs and stringed it up. The sweet thing about the corners I found at the depot is they have a 1/4" threaded screw on the one side which I was able to find a 1/4" threaded to 3/4" non-threaded adapter. So now if I need to remove the legs, I can unscrew them, cut them to a new length or add new, taller legs. Obviously during the middle of use the screens will be fixed, but this allows adjustment between cycles as I desire. Check out my thread if u want to see some pics of my screen construction or have any more ?s guys.
 
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