torontoke
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Based on what?
How are you allowed 25?
And your right Chris I thought bill Blair was a terrible idea but since John Tory likes it then .....fuk John Tory too
Ex-police chief Bill Blair to handle Liberals' pot legalization file
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How are you allowed 25?
And your right Chris I thought bill Blair was a terrible idea but since John Tory likes it then .....fuk John Tory too
VIANARCHRIS
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No medical is a different animal completely. Recreational will be 6 plants but medical users will be able to grow what they need. I have a 49 plant license now, so legal rec doesn't do anything for me either, but it's time to put an end to harassment for those without the pink slips.
GrowRock
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Me too and over my dead body will I give even 1 plant up literally I go back to pharma and well....
Gquebed
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Whaddya mean? My pink for growing is for up to 25 plants....
Not sure what the court challenge decided on all that or what the legality is of my license now, but I continue to grow as I was until the actual law changes. Until then I consider myself grandfathered.
Whaddya mean? My pink for growing is for up to 25 plants....
Not sure what the court challenge decided on all that or what the legality is of my license now, but I continue to grow as I was until the actual law changes. Until then I consider myself grandfathered.
Gquebed
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Well.. isn't this what we're all waiting to hear from that court challenge? What they're going to do with the med growers?
Whatever happened with that? I got tired of paying attention...lol
torontoke
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Well if you were thinking that they use the Colorado model for the 5-6 plants then that's the amount anyone can have for rec. mj patients in Colorado can get higher plant counts id imagine you would be looking at what u have now plus.
Not less.
And there hasn't been a court decision yet because well no one knows.
It's like the judge and gov are playing chicken and neither wants to bawk !!
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doingdishes
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no pun intended of course
torontoke
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I'm not clever enough to do shit on purpose.
Haven't u been reading lol
Gquebed
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Well, that's what I was hoping. I just would like to maintain. But.... I'm prepared for the worst. I can get by with 6....fn trees tho...hahahahah
ttystikk
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Peep my thread for Colorado trees. I really hope Canada can get this sorted out, because America is still in the mode of making everything worse first, and I'm getting too old to wait for things to get better here.
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VIANARCHRIS
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We all have. The delay in the court decision itself is a defense for any patient needing to grow their own. The challenge of our injunction did not change the fact that patients cannot afford the mmpr. Nobody's illness is going to be put on hold while the judge takes his time making a decision, nor is it going to be treated when meds are unaffordable... and I doubt another judge would convict a legit mmj patient for growing a reasonable # of plants in todays climate. Just my opinion, but I think we'll see far more "not guilty" verdicts for non-trafficking mj charge going forward.
ttystikk
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You're smarter than you like to admit!
Colorado's no card limit is indeed six plants per adult, half of which can be in bloom. That's NO DOCS REQUIRED AT ALL.
Medical is still up to 100 but they've been cracking down on people growing for the black market and using medical counts as a loophole.
I'm over a pound apiece on average, biggest is one I took down a few weeks ago, 26 1/4z;
doingdishes
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that's one plant?
ttystikk
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Yes. That's net patient ready meds weight, too.
doingdishes
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how long did it take to grow that to harvest? i'm not going to drill you with questions..just that one.
a guy I know (don't all these conversations start like that) said that growing trees isn't worth the time. he can pull off 3 crops in the time it takes to grow a tree crop
ttystikk
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He's long on work ethic but short on crop math, then. Yes, veg takes longer initially but veg plants are always smaller and once your perpetual pipeline is filled there's no more waiting. My perpetual turns over every two weeks- not a long time at all.
I'm knocking on the door of 1/2lb a day from less than 800sqft, that includes the veg space.
CalyxCrusher
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Many US states have done it despite this. Uruguay, Portugal as well
johny sunset
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Looks like the liberals already had everything planned out back in 2013. Hopefully they go through with it.....seems pretty fair to me .
Canada Doesn't Need A Plan For Legalization. The Governing Party Already Has One
Politics
January 19, 2016
By James McClure
Prime Minister Justin has offered few details about his plans to legalize cannabis nationwide. We know who will be handling the file, and we know the government wants to keep prices low to combat the black market. But the framework for regulating and restricting access to cannabis remains vague.
However, the Liberals may have already offered us a glimpse into the future. In 2013, the B.C. wing of the Liberal Party of Canada released a policy paper on legalization. The document was a followup from the national party's January 2012 biennial policy convention in Ottawa, where nearly 80 percent of delegates voted in favor of making legalization part of party policy.
The Liberal government obviously isn't bound by the policy prescriptions in this document, but they do show the party has already researched some solutions to questions that have arisen since the election in October.
Here's what legalization could look like according to that paper:
1. What will the age and possession limits be?
The policy paper recommends making the age limits for recreational cannabis the same as alcohol consumption, so Canadians would be able to purchase pot legally once they turn 18 or 19, depending on which province they live in.
Canadians would be allowed to possess up to four ounces of cannabis, which is four times the limit in Colorado, Oregon, Washington. That difference was part of the plan. Smaller limits create more work for law enforcers. And since plants can yield more than an ounce, Canadians who home grow might find themselves being charged simply because their harvest was better than expected.
2. Can we grow pot at home?
Yes, you read that correctly. Canadians would be allowed to grow their own cannabis at home if Trudeau adopts the policy drafted in 2013. Home growing, the policy makers wrote, would likely prevent a black market from developing by giving consumers a legal alternative to retail cannabis.
This would also be part of their strategy to combat the black market by keeping prices low and quality high so that there's no incentive for people to buy outside of the legal framework.
3. Where will weed be sold?
This has become a hot debate in Canada. Many politicians want provincially run liquor stores to handle the marijuana market, but activists argue that independent retailers should handle regulated sales.
The 2013 policy offered a compromise: liquor stores would share the market with specialty private stores. But gas stations and convenience stores would be out of luck: the policymakers didn't think those locations could keep cannabis away from minors.
4. How will we deal with international prohibition treaties?
Early in January 2015, a leaked memo to Prime Minister Trudeau sparked fears that Canada's commitments to three United Nations drug conventions would become roadblocks on the path to legalization.
But the policy analysts in 2013 had anticipated that problem and have offered solutions.
First, Canada is a sovereign nation, which means its elected officials are ultimately responsible for making or revising federal law. Legalization would be a major change, but other countries have liberalized their cannabis laws without repercussions from the U.N.
Second, Canada is not bound to uphold the treaties by international law. According to the policy paper:
"The conventions impose moral obligations on states, not legal ones.There are no penalties or sanctions for violating the conventions other than a public rebuke by some of the signatories."
Third, if the treaties do become major obstacles, the government could withdraw from them:
"Canada has rights to withdraw from these UN conventions, as granted in the articles of each convention - exercisable by written notification to the UN Secretary-General. Withdrawal would take effect one year after the date notification was received."
Lastly, the policy makers say that Canada not only can but should take a stance against the conventions (as they currently stand):
"Canada should lead a movement to amend out-of-date international conventions to reflect changes in medical evidence and international consumption rates. They have been used as an excuse for inaction and regressive thinking for too long."
5. Will people convicted of cannabis offenses get a fresh start?
The paper recommended offering clemency to prisoners, and pardoning and expunging the records of all Canadians found guilty of minor cannabis offenses. That recommendation was missing from the legalization initiatives in Colorado, Washington state, Oregon, and Alaska, where many residents are still haunted with criminal records.
https://www.civilized.life/heres-what-legalization-could-look-like-in-canada-1561530245.html
Canada Doesn't Need A Plan For Legalization. The Governing Party Already Has One
Politics
January 19, 2016
By James McClure
Prime Minister Justin has offered few details about his plans to legalize cannabis nationwide. We know who will be handling the file, and we know the government wants to keep prices low to combat the black market. But the framework for regulating and restricting access to cannabis remains vague.
However, the Liberals may have already offered us a glimpse into the future. In 2013, the B.C. wing of the Liberal Party of Canada released a policy paper on legalization. The document was a followup from the national party's January 2012 biennial policy convention in Ottawa, where nearly 80 percent of delegates voted in favor of making legalization part of party policy.
The Liberal government obviously isn't bound by the policy prescriptions in this document, but they do show the party has already researched some solutions to questions that have arisen since the election in October.
Here's what legalization could look like according to that paper:
1. What will the age and possession limits be?
The policy paper recommends making the age limits for recreational cannabis the same as alcohol consumption, so Canadians would be able to purchase pot legally once they turn 18 or 19, depending on which province they live in.
Canadians would be allowed to possess up to four ounces of cannabis, which is four times the limit in Colorado, Oregon, Washington. That difference was part of the plan. Smaller limits create more work for law enforcers. And since plants can yield more than an ounce, Canadians who home grow might find themselves being charged simply because their harvest was better than expected.
2. Can we grow pot at home?
Yes, you read that correctly. Canadians would be allowed to grow their own cannabis at home if Trudeau adopts the policy drafted in 2013. Home growing, the policy makers wrote, would likely prevent a black market from developing by giving consumers a legal alternative to retail cannabis.
This would also be part of their strategy to combat the black market by keeping prices low and quality high so that there's no incentive for people to buy outside of the legal framework.
3. Where will weed be sold?
This has become a hot debate in Canada. Many politicians want provincially run liquor stores to handle the marijuana market, but activists argue that independent retailers should handle regulated sales.
The 2013 policy offered a compromise: liquor stores would share the market with specialty private stores. But gas stations and convenience stores would be out of luck: the policymakers didn't think those locations could keep cannabis away from minors.
4. How will we deal with international prohibition treaties?
Early in January 2015, a leaked memo to Prime Minister Trudeau sparked fears that Canada's commitments to three United Nations drug conventions would become roadblocks on the path to legalization.
But the policy analysts in 2013 had anticipated that problem and have offered solutions.
First, Canada is a sovereign nation, which means its elected officials are ultimately responsible for making or revising federal law. Legalization would be a major change, but other countries have liberalized their cannabis laws without repercussions from the U.N.
Second, Canada is not bound to uphold the treaties by international law. According to the policy paper:
"The conventions impose moral obligations on states, not legal ones.There are no penalties or sanctions for violating the conventions other than a public rebuke by some of the signatories."
Third, if the treaties do become major obstacles, the government could withdraw from them:
"Canada has rights to withdraw from these UN conventions, as granted in the articles of each convention - exercisable by written notification to the UN Secretary-General. Withdrawal would take effect one year after the date notification was received."
Lastly, the policy makers say that Canada not only can but should take a stance against the conventions (as they currently stand):
"Canada should lead a movement to amend out-of-date international conventions to reflect changes in medical evidence and international consumption rates. They have been used as an excuse for inaction and regressive thinking for too long."
5. Will people convicted of cannabis offenses get a fresh start?
The paper recommended offering clemency to prisoners, and pardoning and expunging the records of all Canadians found guilty of minor cannabis offenses. That recommendation was missing from the legalization initiatives in Colorado, Washington state, Oregon, and Alaska, where many residents are still haunted with criminal records.
https://www.civilized.life/heres-what-legalization-could-look-like-in-canada-1561530245.html
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