Examples of Democratic Party leadership

DIY-HP-LED said:

One thing to consider is there isn't one republican party, there is the RNC or federal party and 50 state parties and systems of elections. If factionalism and a schism happen to the GOP it will start with divergent state parties. Some parties will go crazier, especially in the south and those purple areas will grow more moderate. However, the democrats would be taxing the shit out of the rich and regulating their asses for a long time if they gain power and start addressing social problems like wealth imbalance. The rich greedy ones will need a political home and can afford to "renovate" a burned-out party house since it's the only house available right now, naturally such work begins with demolition.

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Yes, yes, we can imagine what could be. My question is who? The few GOP leaders who aren't raving conspiracy theory dominionist fascist sociopaths are old and thinning their ranks through retirement. The GOP isn't going to go away, it's just going to become fringe because their ideology is based upon mythology and racism. People who are entering the voting population reject the authoritarian, uniculutural, white patrimony espoused by the GOP. This is not to say there is no room for fiscal conservativism in US politics, just saying that is not what the GOP are these days if they ever were.

You talk about raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens while I'm talking about what is. There is plenty of support for different political ideologies and plenty of new ideas that politicians are running on today. There are visionary leaders who are competing for top spots in government. There are more than two viable political factions competing with each other and cooperating both achieve their goals while making progress through legislation in Congress. That they call themselves Democrats doesn't mean their isn't diversity among them.

Fogdog said:

Yes, yes, we can imagine what could be. My question is who? The few GOP leaders who aren't raving conspiracy theory dominionist fascist sociopaths are old and thinning their ranks through retirement. The GOP isn't going to go away, it's just going to become fringe because their ideology is based upon mythology and racism. People who are entering the voting population reject the authoritarian, uniculutural, white patrimony espoused by the GOP. This is not to say there is no room for fiscal conservativism in US politics, just saying that is not what the GOP are these days if they ever were.

You talk about raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens while I'm talking about what is. There is plenty of support for different political ideologies and plenty of new ideas that politicians are running on today. There are visionary leaders who are competing for top spots in government. There are more than two viable political factions competing with each other and cooperating both achieve their goals while making progress through legislation in Congress. That they call themselves Democrats doesn't mean their isn't diversity among them.

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What is, is not fit for office and it will be a while before they are ready for power, if ever. It doesn't really matter as long as they have to pander to the most extremist elements, does it? The only way the republicans are gonna clean the shit off themselves is if someone with money does a top-down driven change from the shadows. If there is gonna be a third party in American politics it will be a right center one, but there are barriers in the states that need to be challenged and money has the power to do that too. Every election cycle the public is presented with a binary choice that looks more like a coin flip than a choice made on performance. I said long ago that the battle between left and right will be fought out inside the democratic party, but democrats don't run against themselves in elections, they run against republicans, and they always have a chance in some places.

As time goes on and they circle the drain they will become more unelectable, and the big money dries up at least for the extremists. The democrats will end up taxing the rich the way they are today and especially if Joe is president for round 2. I just figure the republican party is too valuable an institution for access to power for wealthy and nefarious people to ignore, considering the scale of their wealth verses the costs of politics and elections. People can he hired who will operate against the magats when Trump goes away like union busters do and used to do, they will operate behind the scenes in a process that will take years and lots of money. It is more a likely probability, whether they succeed in taking control from the lunatics is another question. The republican brand is trash with young people and especially young women, and old farts die every day, the churn is millions of people every election cycle.

DIY-HP-LED said:

but democrats don't run against themselves in elections, they run against republicans, and they always have a chance in some places.

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Democrats do run against themselves in elections. They are called primaries. Until some other political movement establishes itself, diverse views and ideas will compete there.

Fogdog said:

Yes, yes, we can imagine what could be. My question is who? The few GOP leaders who aren't raving conspiracy theory dominionist fascist sociopaths are old and thinning their ranks through retirement. The GOP isn't going to go away, it's just going to become fringe because their ideology is based upon mythology and racism. People who are entering the voting population reject the authoritarian, uniculutural, white patrimony espoused by the GOP. This is not to say there is no room for fiscal conservativism in US politics, just saying that is not what the GOP are these days if they ever were.

You talk about raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens while I'm talking about what is. There is plenty of support for different political ideologies and plenty of new ideas that politicians are running on today. There are visionary leaders who are competing for top spots in government. There are more than two viable political factions competing with each other and cooperating both achieve their goals while making progress through legislation in Congress. That they call themselves Democrats doesn't mean there isn't diversity among them.

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Here where the GOP senate is going as Mitch descends into decrepitude, a couple of years ago he would have had Tommy by the nuts in a flash! They are not fit for power and are a real and present danger to the republic. Jesus Christ, if they get in power at any level, they will just try to fuck things up for shits and giggles. That's why I say divide and conquer beat the fuckers any way that is legal, forget morals and ethics with these bastards, they are the ones at war with America. Keep them out of power until demographic changes can hopefully keep them out, but those future demographics will be shaped by narratives and information sources, history, which they are trying to control along with current reality.


MAGA vs. MITCH: Why Mitch McConnell Can't Stop the Far-Right Takeover of the Senate | Tim's Take

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Tim Miller's take on the power struggle tearing apart Senate Republicans. Mitch McConnell seems to be losing his grip on the Senate, and MAGA Republicans like Tommy Tuberville and Rand Paul are taking over. Is the future of the GOP in jeopardy?

DIY-HP-LED said:

Here where the GOP senate is going as Mitch descends into decrepitude, a couple of years ago he would have had Tommy by the nuts in a flash! They are not fit for power and are a real and present danger to the republic. Jesus Christ, if they get in power at any level, they will just try to fuck things up for shits and giggles. That's why I say divide and conquer beat the fuckers any way that is legal, forget morals and ethics with these bastards, they are the ones at war with America. Keep them out of power until demographic changes can hopefully keep them out, but those future demographics will be shaped by narratives and information sources, history, which they are trying to control along with current reality.

MAGA vs. MITCH: Why Mitch McConnell Can't Stop the Far-Right Takeover of the Senate | Tim's Take

4,069 views Oct 17, 2023
Tim Miller's take on the power struggle tearing apart Senate Republicans. Mitch McConnell seems to be losing his grip on the Senate, and MAGA Republicans like Tommy Tuberville and Rand Paul are taking over. Is the future of the GOP in jeopardy?

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never forget or suspend morals or ethics when battling the amoral. Do not operate at evil’s level when fighting evil. This is elementary.

President Biden's Speech

Let's talk about Biden having bigger crowd sizes on Truth Social....

DIY-HP-LED said:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718005777993179485

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The cult was counting on that recession. RINO recession.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist and son of the former senator, announced he is dropping his Democratic Party bid for president and will run as an independent.
Kennedy sought to cast himself as a unifier and a voice for voters who are fed up with the United States' partisan divides and vitriol, calling them a hurdle for improving the country.

This could screw up both parties.....a majority of voters are independent and could care less about a party.

garybo said:

RFK Jr. declares independent 2024 presidential run, raises millions more

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist and son of the former senator, announced on Monday in Philadelphia that he is dropping his Democratic Party bid for president and will run as an independent.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist and son of the former senator, announced he is dropping his Democratic Party bid for president and will run as an independent.
Kennedy sought to cast himself as a unifier and a voice for voters who are fed up with the United States' partisan divides and vitriol, calling them a hurdle for improving the country.

This could screw up both parties.....a majority of voters are independent and could care less about a party.

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don't forget his own family dis owned him too......honestly i don't think he'll even be on the ballot....

BudmanTX said:

don't forget his own family dis owned him too......honestly i don't think he'll even be on the ballot....

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How true, although if he run's as an independent, that could and probably will take votes away from the other two parties....
Personally, I like the idea of a 3 party system.

garybo said:

How true, although if he run's as an independent, that could and probably will take votes away from the other two parties....
Personally, I like the idea of a 3 party system.

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he could, i don't know about a 3 party system though.....question is what would it encompass? lot of righties and lefties on both isles js

garybo said:

RFK Jr. declares independent 2024 presidential run, raises millions more

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist and son of the former senator, announced on Monday in Philadelphia that he is dropping his Democratic Party bid for president and will run as an independent.

www.reuters.com

Robert F. Kennedy Jr, an environmental lawyer, anti-vaccine activist and son of the former senator, announced he is dropping his Democratic Party bid for president and will run as an independent.
Kennedy sought to cast himself as a unifier and a voice for voters who are fed up with the United States' partisan divides and vitriol, calling them a hurdle for improving the country.

This could screw up both parties.....a majority of voters are independent and could care less about a party.

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If he makes it on the ballot, he'll take more votes from Trump than Biden.

BudmanTX said:

he could, i don't know about a 3 party system though.....question is what would it encompass? lot of righties and lefties on both isles js

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If he actually runs as a 3rd party (independent) and folks in the 50 states write him in on the ballot, this could screw up the other two parties and their candiate. If I'm not mistaken, there is a large percentage of voters that vote the person, not party.
This could become a really big mess to straighten out.

topcat said:

If he makes it on the ballot, he'll take more votes from Trump than Biden.

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Correct and take votes from the Democrate as well, whoever that will be. Surely it won't be Gavin.

garybo said:

Correct and take votes from the Democrate as well, whoever that will be. Surely it won't be Gavin.

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Actually, they did some polling and found it hurt the republicans more than the democrats, so enthusiasm for an RFK run has been muted lately. If Trump is disqualified in December, it could be even worse for them with RFK in the race. I'm betting on Trump being disqualified.