EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

[ChesusRice]

The right to work states have crushed unions and collective bargaining.. Now the wages have reflected that. Back in the day, even talking about organizing was an immediate firing.

Back in the day?
You mean last week?

 

[londonfog]

Bernie needs to go back to the drawing board with his tax plan. I think the only people that would benefit from Bernie are the poor poor.

 

[Queece]

safety bonuses

Dude that is rich. "Safety bonuses". Weren't they explicitly told "no bonuses until next year"? Just like the bank bailouts.

 

[red w. blue]

Microsoft is a twice convicted predatory monopoly. They didn't "invent" anything. They borrowed military technology that tax-payers funded the research for, put it in a colorful box and hired marketing executives. We paid for the immensely expensive research, they were just the ones that the government lets collect rent on that research. State-interventionist monopoly, period paragraph.

Predatory monopoly is a legalistic term. While they are monopolistic. They have always had competitors. I know nothing of the military tec ect maybe you would like to prove that?

 

[Queece]

Predatory monopoly is a legalistic term. While they are monopolistic. They have always had competitors. I know nothing of the military tec ect maybe you would like to prove that?

Yeah sure, it's common knowledge that what the "internet" as it were, was originally designed as a tracking system using multiple nodes to make the system more robust. This was DARPA net. That tech was just boxed up after billions of dollars of tax-payer research, and sold by the likes of Steve Jobs or Bill Gates as their own product. That is outright monopolistic, if you didn't have an insider in the defense industry, the government wouldn't let you profit from state research, let alone file any kind of predatory patent on it. The competition was controlled opposition.

 

[Queece]

The research yielded almost nothing but utter failure for the longest time. If a private company were to have to earmark that R&D board, they'd be bankrupt by the time they had a half-working prototype. That is a very far cry from capitalism. Another very ubiquitous incident of privatizing profits and socializing losses.

 

[potroastV2]

Obviously, you have no idea what DARPA networking protocol is. Yes, it was expanded to be used by all citizens, and we call it the Internet. Software companies just use it like the rest of us.

 

[Fogdog]

Microsoft is a twice convicted predatory monopoly. They didn't "invent" anything. They borrowed military technology that tax-payers funded the research for, put it in a colorful box and hired marketing executives. We paid for the immensely expensive research, they were just the ones that the government lets collect rent on that research. State-interventionist monopoly, period paragraph.



The fact that you would need a new Congress to make Bernie's lofty ideas a reality is absurd. 98% incumbency, remember.



I just did explain it, look it up and read a fly cover, you're sitting in front of a computer. It's about war industry and legacy defense companies dating back to the revolutionary war. You realize Dow Chemical used to be called "the powder company". You claim that there are no monopolies in the US, I beg to differ. We have a monopoly on money creation, we don't need other monopolies, we already have the worst one that encompasses all other monopolies.

So, if you want to call the government a monopoly then you have me there. Personally, I prefer a government with a monopoly on national defense too.

Agree about Microsoft. I'm glad they were convicted of predatory monopoly. Through action by our monopolistic government. I don't know why you named three foreign multinationals in the oil business to make some other point about monopolies that was pretty much obscure. LOLbertarians, you guys crack me up. I guess that you want the world to go the way of anarchocaptilalism. What a crack pot idea.

Also agree that congress isn't going to change much in the next election. So, tell me, Trump is unelectable and it looks like he's the one the GOP voters want. Do you think that Hillary would fare any better than Sanders with the Tea Party congress? I think not.

 

[Queece]

Obviously, you have no idea what DARPA networking protocol is. Yes, it was expanded to be used by all citizens, and we call it the Internet. Software companies just use it like the rest of us.

Yeah, we just don't make trillions of dollars calling stolen intellectual property our own. True, I don't know much about DARPA, I just know it was one of the first instances where multi-nodal computation was being used which ultimately led to advances in the utility known as the "internet". I'm pretty sure meshnets were around at the time, the real invention was the infrastructure that was prohibitively expensive at the time, especially for a venture prospect.

You agree then that state intervention seems to be the monopolistic Midas-touch.

 

[Queece]

I'm pretty sure most of the telecom lines in the US were put there through a state-sponsored program within Bell, which became AT&T I believe.

 

[Queece]

Obviously, you have no idea what DARPA networking protocol is.

Being completely serious, you look like a total old-head, give us a cool story of early networks . I always like hearing guys like you wax poetic about old systems.

 

[Queece]

three foreign multinationals

The point I'm making about these foreign multinational oil companies (that comprise a monopolistic cartel) is that they were all at one point state-owned. Saudi Aramco still is, but they were talking about a 4 trillion dollar IPO recently.

 

[red w. blue]

I'm pretty sure most of the telecom lines in the US were put there through a state-sponsored program within Bell, which became AT&T I believe.

Ma bell was a monopoly it was broken up and AT&T was part of it.

Obviously, you have no idea what DARPA networking protocol is. Yes, it was expanded to be used by all citizens, and we call it the Internet. Software companies just use it like the rest of us.

And Al gore invented it. LOL

 

[red w. blue]

I'm pretty sure most of the telecom lines in the US were put there through a state-sponsored program within Bell, which became AT&T I believe.

Bell done the wiring no state sponsoring.

 

[red w. blue]

Yeah, we just don't make trillions of dollars calling stolen intellectual property our own. True, I don't know much about DARPA, I just know it was one of the first instances where multi-nodal computation was being used which ultimately led to advances in the utility known as the "internet". I'm pretty sure meshnets were around at the time, the real invention was the infrastructure that was prohibitively expensive at the time, especially for a venture prospect.

You agree then that state intervention seems to be the monopolistic Midas-touch.

The infrastructure was there [ma bells wiring] add a server and your there.

Yeah sure, it's common knowledge that what the "internet" as it were, was originally designed as a tracking system using multiple nodes to make the system more robust. This was DARPA net. That tech was just boxed up after billions of dollars of tax-payer research, and sold by the likes of Steve Jobs or Bill Gates as their own product. That is outright monopolistic, if you didn't have an insider in the defense industry, the government wouldn't let you profit from state research, let alone file any kind of predatory patent on it. The competition was controlled opposition.

You were just wrong, Microsofts problems were from writing code so it wouldn't work with others software and forcing computer makers to pay for software that wasn't used.
I'm not sure where or how you came with jobs.

 

[Queece]

The infrastructure was there [ma bells wiring] add a server and your there.



You were just wrong, Microsofts problems were from writing code so it wouldn't work with others software and forcing computer makers to pay for software that wasn't used.
I'm not sure where or how you came with jobs.

I realize that was what the lawsuit was for, but that's what Microsoft did to rise to the position where they could force back doors into their OS to sell anti-virus software. Jobs wasn't quite as bad (minus the suicide net factories and Israeli military tech sponsorship). Even if the wiring was there, taking the idea and research (who's losses were incurred to tax payers) and then acting as a gatekeeper and charging rent is monopolistic.

 

[UncleBuck]

I don't know much

queef.

 

[Queece]

That's like me buying the doors to your house, just the doors, and then throwing a Molotov cocktail through your window. When you run for the doors, I've put up a velvet rope and force you to pay me a fee to use my door.

 

[red w. blue]

I realize that was what the lawsuit was for, but that's what Microsoft did to rise to the position where they could force back doors into their OS to sell anti-virus software. Jobs wasn't quite as bad (minus the suicide net factories and Israeli military tech sponsorship). Even if the wiring was there, taking the idea and research (who's losses were incurred to tax payers) and then acting as a gatekeeper and charging rent is monopolistic.

I wasn't defending Microsoft. There was not any losses past the normal military SOP.

 

[red w. blue]

That's like me buying the doors to your house, just the doors, and then throwing a Molotov cocktail through your window. When you run for the doors, I've put up a velvet rope and force you to pay me a fee to use my door.

You lost me.