EZ Cloning...my @ss

I put my cloner pump on a 1/4 min timer to help keep the res temp down.

i think my next step is clonex and distilled water.

I have had a lot of luck with cloning. I've tried many different approaches to it like Jiffy pellets and rockwool cubes. For me, I've found that they tend to grow algae faster than the plants take to root. Most recently, I've developed a new method (new to me) and it actually works great. I have 2-3 oz plastic cups and I fill them up with FoxFarm Lightwarrior soil, wet it down and kinda pack it in there. I take decent sized clones, 5-6 inches, dip them in rooting gel and stick them straight into the cups with the soil. I put them in a dome and mist 3x daily. My best clones ever came from this method. The soil is meant for seedlings so it is very mild but contains nutes so the plants do better. Happy growing!

I have a Humidity Dome & Tray with a heating matt under it.

Clonex dipped , cuttings 3 weeks into flower into 2 inch rockwool, tap water & Superthrive.

Light 2 X 23 w CFLS above the dome, spray with water, as needed.

It takes a little longer to root, but that's OK because my flower room is full.

Then I put them in 6 oz styrofoam coffee cups with FFOF.

Then veg box under 4 X 23 w CFL's.

The last batch I only lost 1 clone, as my DIY light holder fell and snapped the stem of one.

I am doing nothing special just waiting.

Good Luck on you cloning

I think there is a big miss-understanding as to why this guy is having problems.


I will try to be clear, and as honest as possible without being a douche.


YOU ARE TRYING TO HARD.

Get rooting Gel, not powder. Dont over water(big mistake) and let the stems breath while keeping the air moist in their room.

Plain and simple. Its confusing you because there really are so many ways to do it.

Stop trying to do it everyone elses way.

Evaluate your enviornment, with an open mind. Find the problem.

Fix it and move forward.

This isnt rocket science man, Gel really helps but Ive cloned in a glass of water before. I really think you are just missing the basics and thats what the deal is. Try to read up on selecting clones.

Thats where I think you are making the mistake.



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I read this earlier and I think you could benefit from it. This is almost exactly, to the T how Ive been doing it for years. Like 20 years.

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/306228-cloning-dummies.html

jdsnmbr7 said:

Ok, so here's the deal. I cannot get this Super Silver Haze to clone with much success. I've tried Ez cloning (home-made), rockwool, and a damn bubbler. I've been successful about a dozen times out of probably two hundred. The ones that have rooted, I've been able to keep as mums, but this is ridiculously frustrating!

Rockwool has not produced anything for me, heated mat or no heated mat. I've kept it really damn dry and way too moist. They stayed alive dry but after three weeks, I gave up. I've tried the rooting powder too, no help.

Ez cloner has produced some results, but never before three weeks. That appears to be too long of a time when others are saying 6-14 days. I've tried Rhizotonic, no Rhizotonic. Warm water ( auto-heater at 78 ) seems nice, but hasn't helped much.

Bubble cloner hasn't produced anything either...above the water line or below the water line. I've tried a cheap-o pump from wally's world and a hydroponics pump.

I haven't added nutrients, except for the Rhizotonic and Super Thrive at times, have tried keeping the Ph in range sometimes and other times said to hell with it. The lights are 1-26 watt cfl about 12-16 inches away from the clones. I've tried big clones (See Al B. Fuct's 9 inchers) to small 3" clones. They've both worked...and failed. I've made the last cuts underwater at a 45 with a sterile blade and other times said screw it. I've cut just below the nodes and said screw that too. Both have worked, both have failed. Temps are constantly in the low 70's, but the root zones are always high 70's with a consistent cleaning and h2o2 dousing to keep the gremlins at bay. Lights were at 24/0 but I figured maybe I should try 18/6 now. I know, I know, don't try too hard, but it still isn't working!

I need something, maybe a miracle to make this crap work. If you read all this, maybe I can get some advice...I am officially now at my wits end...ok, maybe not, but DAMNIT! Oh, I do have ONE in flower which I am pretty proud of if I do say so myself!

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Ill give you a Little tip,

I put about a 1/2 teaspoon of cloning powder in with my 3 1/2 gallon bucket bubbler, and a drop per gallon of Superthrive..

They take off bro!!!

I think that glyphen hit the nail on the head when he mentioned that there are a shitload of ways to clone and they all work. Some better than others for sure, but they will work. But you have to pick ONE WAY, learn it and then stick to it. This mix and match try to do it everybody's way at once shit will get you nothing but DEAD cuttings. Even the perfect system will get out of whack now and then, but if you always do it the same way, all you have to look for is what one little thing is wrong and fix it. you dont have to go off half cocked trying every remedy that you can find on the forums. Just remember, K.I.S.S. Keep it simple stoner! I know I have to.

I absolutely suck at cloning. I've tried everything and nothing worked for me; it has been my Achiles' heel. Monday I got my new GroClone machine in; I'm trusting that it will be the ticket to cure my jinx. The instructions say that their experience has been best when using bottled spring water, not RO, distilled or whatever. Make sure you have a cup or glass of water handy to put the cuttings in when you take them. The instructions also said that the water should be about 60 degrees when you first put the clones in the unit; that helps eliminate stem curl. I'll be growing some Super Lemon Haze my next grow; I'm hoping that it won't be the pain in the ass that the Super Silver Haze is.

potpimp said:

I absolutely suck at cloning. I've tried everything and nothing worked for me; it has been my Achiles' heel. Monday I got my new GroClone machine in; I'm trusting that it will be the ticket to cure my jinx. The instructions say that their experience has been best when using bottled spring water, not RO, distilled or whatever. Make sure you have a cup or glass of water handy to put the cuttings in when you take them. The instructions also said that the water should be about 60 degrees when you first put the clones in the unit; that helps eliminate stem curl. I'll be growing some Super Lemon Haze my next grow; I'm hoping that it won't be the pain in the ass that the Super Silver Haze is.

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Well, I guess it's good to know that I'm not the only one having troubles with the fool proof methods...not that that counts for a damn thing! I'll try the bottled spring water on the next reservoir change.
One things for sure...it's hard to relax for four days without seeing roots (it's been a total of 9 days since placed in the cloner THIS TIME) when others say they see roots in 6 days or less.
Thanks for all the suggestions...I just keep switching methods when I think I've done and controlled everything I can. Hope that GroClone works for you...maybe I'll buy the next one instead of making it. Maybe it's just time to switch strains. Any suggestions?
Oh, and I'm still crossing my fingers for the SSH!

I think I've made at least 3 different cloners, including one true aeroponic using a Nutramist ultrsonic. The 53 site GroClone unit was $150 off fleabay and is made in northern Cali by a very cool guy; he advertises in High Times. Just by looking at it on fleabay I thought it looked pretty cheesy - especially for the price, but when I got the product I was very surprised to see that it was very heavy duty, well designed, injection molded plastic, not some flimsy junk. I forgot this last night; he also said not to put a dome on it. Yeah I know what you're thinking, dome/no dome; been there done that. I read something by somebody here on RIU a couple of years ago that they do not use a dome cause it makes the plant have to get their sustenance from the roots so they had better grow them; made sence - but it was still the home made cloner and it never worked for me.

I've tried Olivias gel, RooTech and Advanced Nutrients junk - all with equally disappointing results.

One more thing... the instructions show the pump mounted on the end of the rez. It also has a little valve to adjust the amount of air coming in. He says to fill the rez to within 1/8" of the top and adjust the valve so that small bubbles are coming out, not big ones (that restricts water flow). He says oxygenating the roots properly is the key to cloning. We are moving soon so I don't have a grow going but as soon as we get moved I'm on it and I'll be posting my results from the GroClone. I guarantee if I get rooted clones I'll be doing the happy dance!! Keep on keeping on bro.

Ok, ok. So, I'm at a fresh batch again. I have the bubble cloner and the ez cloner running.

I read before that ph didn't matter, so I was skipping that step. I was running at 8.+ on the ph...probably not a good thing. Even if ph doesn't matter, 8+ can't be a good thing. I have the ph dialed in now...keeping my fingers crossed.

In regards to the ez cloner though...the cuttings appear to fold in on itself, not just the hollow ones either. If I had a camera, I'd take pictures...but I don't. Just imagine drinking straws...when you put them together to make a long straw! You pinch one end of one straw so it fits inside another straw...that's exactly what it looks like. Why is this happening?

I cloned before with the ez cloner...just the success rate was crappy. Now, my success rate is near zero.

I have the pH dialed in at 5.5-5.9. No, I can't keep it at 5.8 exactly, but I try.
The water is high, like 78-82 degrees high, but I use h2o2 every few days to keep the nasties at bay.
I did run Rhizotonic in them for the first two days, but have only added h2o2 since. The h2o2 has probably knocked the algae based Rhizotonic out since then.
Running the pump on the ez cloner 1 min on, 5 min off...bubbler runs all day.
Air temps are in range of 75-83 degrees all day.
No direct light, but light from moms is about 3+ feet high, and too the left. Those would be 12 cfl's...26 watters.
RH is 20% or less...Only way I got that up was running the air temps around 60-70 degrees. Should I really be concerned about RH?

Other than the RH and the high water temp...am I missing anything? The RH is low...but the bubbler clones look as fresh today as they did when I first took them! Oh, and my clones never seem to wilt...Is that a problem?

All help and encouragement is appreciated!

I always hate those threads that seem promising...offer to answer the same question you have but end up going nowhere with no answers. So, I'll kind of finish this thread off. I know it's a tad old, but I'm going to do it anyway. So, here goes.

I have had some luck cloning by two methods. Bubble cloning and raft cloning.
The bubble cloner worked out ok. I still lost far too many and ended up with about 8 of 24 rooted. Everything that didn't take, basically rotted. The water was kept warm (75ish), a uv pump run, and lots of bubbles. Hey, 8 is way better than 0 in my opinion though.
The raft cloner worked great though. After two weeks, not everything rooted, but everything has rooted OR has root bumps. Essentially, I created a stealth cloner like the one you see in the faq, only it was a raft cloner instead of filled with some other media. The air pump was just placed on top of the unit and the air hose ran inside. (Not real concerned about the stealth aspect) Lights were attached to the inside of the container, and I was off to the races. Smaller clones rooted faster, but all sizes appear to be doing well.

i just ran into your thread...

interesting post to end it with. but i've got a thought or two to add...

not much mention of what people use in their clone juice. not to say there were none, but not really much mention of exactly what goes into that nutrient solution.

so i've been building a few variety of clone machines since i've got the time, space, energy, desire, etc...and some green to smoke along the way. my main reason is purely to provide others with clones at a rapid rate.

clone juice i think is the answer but exactly what is clone juice? i think you need a tread on that to get your answer.

my clone juice has been modified several times and recently i changed nutrient lineups and their rooting solution is going into my fogponic cloner that has just been setup. humbolt nutrients roots comes in a metal can and smells like the sewer, however, i mixed it with water, watered a few clones that didn't want to root and they now have roots emerging from the cube. it's been a week, however, those clones were sitting in rapid rooters for about 2 weeks with my previous version of clone juice.

my diesel's will clone in tap water in a jar in the window sill, add superthrive and it happens even faster. just like a tomato plant.
my maui's need the funky stuff in the dirt that feeds roots to grow, currently using voodoo juice and great white, will be switching to humbolt roots.
my bubba's i haven't dialed in just yet but i've had 100% success on those just haven't had things happen as quickly as i'd like.
I got some Cherry AK-47 cuttings, stuck them in humbolt roots in a shot glass and left them there for a week, while i've been building this fogger and they've got roots already too.
my fruity thai, well she's just an impossible bitch to figure out.
the white widow also clones 100% but i've not had the success finishing her that i'm looking for so it seems almost irrelevant to me.

if you take a cutting from almost any growing plant, stick it in the right environment, it'll generate roots and continue growing, just need to learn what that right environment is. in dirt where roots grow there are millions of things living, those feed your roots and have a symbiotic relationship with the plant. if your clone juice is sterile then all that'll happen is the liquid will move through the transport vessiles that exist in the stem of the plant and it'll continue to grow if it can.

hope you got something from this...

i finally got roots after several failed attempts. the only thing i did different was use spring water. I was letting my tap water sit out for 24 hrs and it never worked.

Some strains just don't clone well, some not at all...I have a Vanilla Kush that I have only had a single clone survive out of at least 75-100 cloning attempts...Every other strain has been a no brainer...

Throw a t5 in there and I bet it works

yep. t-5's the best for me and my girls.

Tap Water Run. No nutes.
Rubbermaid ppms 400.ph 6.1 temp 68f
White Tub is same. Room temps 58f-68f

Cool and Clean.