Faith =/= Belief

Padawanbater2

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Faith does not equal belief. Saying "you must have faith to believe in God" is the same as saying "believe because believe". It says nothing. Means nothing. Provides nothing.

Believe because... believe!

Will the faithful please tell me how this position provides comfort? I could never accept that, how can you?
 

Doer

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Amazing! I was just thinking along these lines this morning, for some reason.

I was thinking Hope is the belief it can be better. In Honor and Duty there is Hope. Fine.

So, some can Hope to have Faith. But, Faith is the Hope there is this thing to be Believed. It's an endless loop.

Alternately, there is Knowledge.
 

mindphuk

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I would say it depends on which definition of faith you are using. Faith is nothing more than extreme confidence. Faith in a deity implies a belief already. I don't see the circularity, only the dissonance.
 

Zaehet Strife

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"Faith is a glass pillar, forged over thousands of years, such mastery has been put into its creation that it refracts light in beautiful ways, making it appear solid, but in reality it is paper thin, the smallest force; logic, reason, could easily destroy it.

But people fear that the glass pillar that lifts them so high, may break, so they build concrete walls of illogic, blindness (darkness may conceal, but light blinds forever) and thoughtlessness to protect this core of their existence.

They become sheep.

Logic and reason are marble pillars, beautiful, solid, and while they may be cold and hard, they will support any weight and hold up to even the strongest of forces."


Faith is thinking something is true when you are not certain of it being true.
Faith is believing in something when common sense tells you not to.
Faith is believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.

Faith is absurd. Unless you have faith in yourself, you think you can do something but you are not certain of you being able to do it. Sometimes i think faith in someone else is ok... but hard to justify most of the time.

Faith in self: I think i can, i think i can, i think i can.
Faith in theology: I think it's true, i think it's true, i think it's true.

"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."

All my opinion.
 

Kaendar

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I always thought of faith and belief as being the same thing, at least when talking to a non believer.
 
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