rocknratm
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ok shade moves across the plant, woultnt more light mean more energy to the plant? or is it too much in the direct sun all day? Im super confused
Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???
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cerberus
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look up baby carrots.
its the same principle, its sweeter, more tender, way less weight but high in all the goodies.
its super tech/high end, frankly i don't use this method in any way. but it is a method. again babby carrots, or shade grown coffee..
i chop fan leaves and grow fat heavey nugs.
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i guess more shade grown coffee than baby carrots,
its the same principle, its sweeter, more tender, way less weight but high in all the goodies.
its super tech/high end, frankly i don't use this method in any way. but it is a method. again babby carrots, or shade grown coffee..
i chop fan leaves and grow fat heavey nugs.
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i guess more shade grown coffee than baby carrots,
yesum
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It is under one leaf, not several stacked over each other, total different thing. A fair amount of light will make it through 1 leaf, several will all but block it.
In nature the light gets under the leaves from different angles. The fan leaves are vital as they store nutrients and are needed in a wild under fertilized soil. Not the case with my indoor pampered plants.
REALSTYLES
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You can take the leaves off the bottom where they aren't getting any light. But should only be done a week before flowering here's an example pic from 2010
As you can see I removed all the lower leaves that didn't receive proper light
But the top leaves were untouched I got 8oz off that plant
As you can see I removed all the lower leaves that didn't receive proper light
But the top leaves were untouched I got 8oz off that plant
hardknox72
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I use a defoliation technique. I start in veg once a wk. and go until I flip my lights. check it out. My internodes are stacked by the time i flip my lights and it allows lower growth to shoot up in the scrog.
Opm
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People are ignoring basic indoor light functionality.
Applying the inverse square law to light output as you move farther away from the source, why would you think that removing a leaf closer to the light would produce more growth hitting a leaf further away when the lumens are reduced so much?
Trim up from the bottom not down from the top.
Applying the inverse square law to light output as you move farther away from the source, why would you think that removing a leaf closer to the light would produce more growth hitting a leaf further away when the lumens are reduced so much?
Trim up from the bottom not down from the top.
bgoodgrow
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Hey Oshi, Great topic, I've been wondering the same thing lately. I was stumbling one time and found this very interesting article that I think will help expand your mind on how plants actually relate with the sun.
http://inhabitat.com/13-year-old-makes-solar-power-breakthrough-by-harnessing-the-fibonacci-sequence/
Super smart ass kid man.
http://inhabitat.com/13-year-old-makes-solar-power-breakthrough-by-harnessing-the-fibonacci-sequence/
Super smart ass kid man.
oHsiN666
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well, for the millionth time....i am only removing bottom leafs!!!! do people only care out them selfs? no, im serious! i have stated time and time again that i am only removing lower bottom leafs and i get the same ignorant responses. i can not stand that shit!!! if you are going to post make sense! dont post the same thing everyone else has already posted. lets see how much further this really goes now. its all back and forth garbage at this point.
and BGOOD. thats tight!!! i read Maximum Yield from time to time and there is a little kid in there flexing skills on vegetable and fruits. i shit you not. the dude who got me into growing my own meds started when he was 9. his first grow was on a 50ft yellow school bus. oldschool hippy commune styles. i wish i had never stopped after i started in 97. had i went through the last 15 years growing i wouldn't be asking silly questions about BOTTOM LEAFS BEING REMOVED BECAUSE THEY DONT GET ENOUGH LIGHT!!!!
and BGOOD. thats tight!!! i read Maximum Yield from time to time and there is a little kid in there flexing skills on vegetable and fruits. i shit you not. the dude who got me into growing my own meds started when he was 9. his first grow was on a 50ft yellow school bus. oldschool hippy commune styles. i wish i had never stopped after i started in 97. had i went through the last 15 years growing i wouldn't be asking silly questions about BOTTOM LEAFS BEING REMOVED BECAUSE THEY DONT GET ENOUGH LIGHT!!!!
Uncle Ben
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Sheesh.....every new crop of noobies......here we go again!
This is all pretty stupid. Being in the camp that leaves all leaves on, and leaving it up to mother nature to do her thing, would some of you botanical genius's tell me how leaving a fan leaf alone hurts the plant's production?
UB
This is all pretty stupid. Being in the camp that leaves all leaves on, and leaving it up to mother nature to do her thing, would some of you botanical genius's tell me how leaving a fan leaf alone hurts the plant's production?
UB
Opm
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Your first post asked "what if they are blocking light?"
dvs1038
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Just my opinion but I think mother nature will make the choice for u if u let it whether indoors or outdoors, any leaves fan or otherwise on the parts of the plants that may be blocked will simply use up their energy turn yellow and die off, its just a choice of growers to remove those leaves that will die anyways, just don't get over zealous and remove too many.
cerberus
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normally i don't reply to UB because it's always a hostile reply BUT I un-ignored you because this thread has been so amusing..
@UB you grow with C02? or chelated nutirents? you top or plants? or supercrop them? you do any LST'ing? what about keeping an even band of PPM's when you feed? or even stop PH drift, do you worry about PH when you water or in your soil? do you amend you soil? (I use H20 and soil)
none of these things are in nature.. i mean nature doesn't put c02 ppm's at 1500, I do. Nature doesn't chelate it's nutrients, I do..
but some how leaves are off limits? you fuck with every other part of the grow but leaves?
it seems inconsistant
@UB you grow with C02? or chelated nutirents? you top or plants? or supercrop them? you do any LST'ing? what about keeping an even band of PPM's when you feed? or even stop PH drift, do you worry about PH when you water or in your soil? do you amend you soil? (I use H20 and soil)
none of these things are in nature.. i mean nature doesn't put c02 ppm's at 1500, I do. Nature doesn't chelate it's nutrients, I do..
but some how leaves are off limits? you fuck with every other part of the grow but leaves?
it seems inconsistant
Uncle Ben
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When growing ANY kind of plant material, I mimic the specie's natural environment as close as I can. A plant family has been programmed to certain light values, temps, water, salts, etc. I'm "hostile" aka frustrated because of all the gardening forums I participate in, only the cannabis forums will find a way to fuck up a weed. For example, local commercial peach growers would laugh at me if I advised them to pick off all lower leaves so that the fruit found at the lower levels can have more light.
Most of you guys don't have clue when it comes to botany, to natural plant processes, so you come up with some kind of crap thinking you're Joe Kewl. You're not. Botany and natural plant processes can not nor will not be reinvented by a bunch of dopers. Sorry. You're just playing a fool by picking off the highly efficient photon collector that God placed on our herb. It's laughable. When a plant is reading to discard an unproductive leaf, it will do so using an internal CO2 flag. Keep your grubby little hands off healthy, green fan leaves.
Also, this subject keeps coming up again and again because some noob is too damn lazy to lurk and do a simple and fast search. Try Lollipopping, another stupid cannabis noobie drill.
Even the title of this thread is laughable and says it all. If you post - Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers??? then it suggests you don't belong in a camp of growing anything because you don't know what makes a plant tick.
'no' I don't worry about pH within a couple of points regarding my soil or water. CO2 injection is a waste of my time....I consider it worthless and another gimmick Joe Kewl is concentrating on when they should be taking the time researching plant processes and what makes a plant tick. I don't "supercrop" nothing....another cute little name for another silly drill. I "supercrop" by growing naturally (and retaining healthy, green fan leaves until harvest) using conventional gardening methods that have been honed for decades by nurserymen, farmers and other horticulturists. No, I don't do LST (another silly misnomer as topping does not cause plant stress, but LST'ing and noobs do LOL), and in general, I don't fuck with my plants. I let them grow naturally and I NEVER fail. Once in a while I do play with root pruning products latest being RootMaker.
Having said that, put me back on Ignore and stay ignorant and within your lame cannabis forum Comfort Zone.
Uncle Ben
cerberus
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this is odd since there is a pretty thorough thread thats "topping with UB" or something. where you teach people how to top for multiple heads on your plants. its a pretty informative thread, when its not all firey and flamed up.. :/
you do care about ph to some degree, you have acknowledged..
C02 injection? its a gas that plants use to for the photosynth process, i don't know if injection is the proper term.. and it's pretty standard garb for commercial greenhouses.. i know you know that..
my point is you DO fuck with the plants, thats how you grow them healthier and stronger than they would in nature wildly. i don't see how this is a debate really..
I mean shit, i bet you use tomato cages in your backyard garden! but no one says, cages aren't natural, no one yells "leave those stalks free!".. :/
EVEN PEACH GROWERS CULTIVATE IN AN UNNATURAL WAY... sheesh your own example, we could go through and find process they they use to enhance growth capabilities...
you don't LST? you don't tie branches back a little? spread them apart for light?
man, your the one saying don't prune, don't LST, don't co2 enhance, don't defoiliate to promote good airflow around the stalk, and I'M the one staying in a comfort zone..
and i think your hostile/frustrated because your a bitter man, that lives in an angry world. and i will continue ignoring you, because although you are informed, it's not worth my energy to go back and forth with you.
peace man
squarefodder
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@ Cerberus, I understand your point of environmental controls. There is no doubt that these controls help the plant grow healthier. If you look at the methods of our controlled environments you will see that they are helping the plant grow stronger/faster/ and produce more by enhancing their abilities.We give them lights, Mylar, soil, ph meters, humidity control, Nutrients, lst, supercrop, UB top, on and on. They all play a specific role, to improve and control growth!!! The new growth allows the plant to spread its surface area out and catch more rays for photosynthesis. WE the gardeners get play with that new growth to achieve MAX photosynthesis and MAX yield. The plant will respond to our controls with growth, Don't cut that growth away before the plant has decided if its producing or not.
The plant is programmed to discard leaves when necessary just as we are programmed to do our bodily functions when necessary.
The plant is programmed to discard leaves when necessary just as we are programmed to do our bodily functions when necessary.
oHsiN666
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omg!!! Uncle Ben!!! lurking on MY thread?? so glad i got your attention. and just to specify. the leafs are dying and falling off on the bottom right now. maybe lack of air flow, maybe, and just maybe, because there is not enough light penetrating my canopy. a mistake i made by overcrowding. live and learn. so, my observation is if they are dying off pull them before they suck and energy from bud production. is this true or un true? as squarefodder pointed out. the leafs are falling off. obviously i have an overcrowding issue. light is not penetrating low. it could be both air flow on the bottom is poor and light is poor. i possibly could have stripped more of the bottom growth. but it seems like the plants that DIDN'T get pruned on the bottoms have way fatter buds. maybe its because where they are in the garden and its more about light absorption. i may have other factors to think about. but this is very enlightening to me. now that i have a little bit more space i think i will do a 50/50 grow one where i prune like a mad man and one where i dont at all! and very the differences between them and make my own analyse. and i think that growing outdoors is hard to even compare to growing indoors. that just my opinion im sure... but the artificial elements versus Mother Nature . not even open for debate in my book. not every region grows perfect outdoors. but the ones that do...OH BOY!!!!
**EDIT** wow UB, you come off like an old asshole. maybe i need to re-read your post but you dont know everyones situation. its funny how every time me, not a firrst time grower, but a grower who is trying to improve his skills with every grow asks a question and all of a sudden im a no0b? seriously man, are you calling me a no0b because i asked this question? or just a generalization of all growers asking this question? you can be helpful, and an asshole. try not to mix the two up, okay?!
**EDIT** wow UB, you come off like an old asshole. maybe i need to re-read your post but you dont know everyones situation. its funny how every time me, not a firrst time grower, but a grower who is trying to improve his skills with every grow asks a question and all of a sudden im a no0b? seriously man, are you calling me a no0b because i asked this question? or just a generalization of all growers asking this question? you can be helpful, and an asshole. try not to mix the two up, okay?!
t2kallday
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cant we all just get along and just leave the plant alone! LEAVE THE LEAVES ON THE PLANT,SHE WILL TAKE THE NUTRIENTS NATURALLY FROM THE LEAF AND DROP THEM OFF.If they are in the way then us a twist tie or something.Does the cannabis plant cut its leaves off in nature when they are in the way?
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