Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

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Uncle Ben

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elkukupanda said:
Thanks... I'm set for the day and can keep on doing a few errants with an easy mind.
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Cutting through all the crap, if the pot feels light to the lift, water. If heavy, don't. Contrary to popular forum thought, don't ever let the soil completely go dry. A plant (and it's soil structure) needs to be constantly moist....not wet, moist.

I see a lot of moans and groans about folks having problems with root rot, something I've never experienced. When you look at the quality of their plant's overall profile, it sucks. Little foliage suggests a poor root system....it just feeds on itself.

See my avatar? That plant had so much plant material, fan leafs and bud leaves and such, that even 2 quarts of water per day didn't phase it. That's just how much water was transpiring from the leaves as it was being drawn up from its root system. That's what you want. That's what plants crave (other than Brawndo.) :)
 
PJ Diaz

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Uncle Ben said:
It's not too low (for night temps) as long as you understand that temps dictate growth rate, all things aside. The lower the day/night temps are, the slower the plant will develop. And herein lies the fallacy, what's not told, when seedbanks claim one of their mutts will finish within a certain time frame. Of course they are telling the consumer what they want to hear in order to make a fast buck.

I'm all about tweeks, to the Nth degree and one of those is optimizing the garden's temperature. 30/17C, day/night, is just about right for optimum growth rates. A bit lower during flowering which follows a natural plant cycle in nature. And you know me, I'm all about doing what mama natur tells me do.

UB
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Seems as though your buddy George disagrees. Who's right?! My world is shattered! Nooooooooo!!!!

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elkukupanda

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Uncle Ben said:
Cutting through all the crap, if the pot feels light to the lift, water. If heavy, don't. Contrary to popular forum thought, don't ever let the soil completely go dry. A plant (and it's soil structure) needs to be constantly moist....not wet, moist.

I see a lot of moans and groans about folks having problems with root rot, something I've never experienced. When you look at the quality of their plant's overall profile, it sucks. Little foliage suggests a poor root system....it just feeds on itself.

See my avatar? That plant had so much plant material, fan leafs and bud leaves and such, that even 2 gallons of water per day didn't phase it. That's just how much water was transpiring from the leaves as it was being drawn up from its root system. That's what you want. That's what plants crave (other than Brawndo.) :)
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I think I fucked up something... I was trying to get rid of the gnats a few weeks go and I placed some sand...a bout 1/4 inch on top... Got rid of the gnats but after some watering.. It looked like the soil compacted and water intake decreased(soil aeration). But at the same time temps and flowering took place... Anyways I have tones of root at top so I removed as much sand I could without damaging roots but oh well... Plants are not doing too too bad... Next grow will be better... Unless you have something in mind
 
PJ Diaz

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elkukupanda said:
I think I fucked up something... I was trying to get rid of the gnats a few weeks go and I placed some sand...a bout 1/4 inch on top... Got rid of the gnats but after some watering.. It looked like the soil compacted and water intake decreased(soil aeration). But at the same time temps and flowering took place... Anyways I have tones of root at top so I removed as much sand I could without damaging roots but oh well... Plants are not doing too too bad... Next grow will be better... Unless you have something in mind
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I did that one time too. Yes, it makes aeration to the roots a challenge. Since I switched from potting soil mixes to coco/perlite I haven't seen any gnats at all. Also, it's very difficult to overwater with coco/perlite, so you can feed every day. Plants like fresh nutes.
 
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elkukupanda

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PJ Diaz said:
I did that one time too. Yes, it makes aeration to the roots a challenge. Since I switched from potting soil mixes to coco/perlite I haven't seen any gnats at all. Also, it's very difficult to overwater with coco/perlite, so you can feed every day. Plants like fresh nutes.
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No fucking way... You talking about god-like Diaz? What did you do with him? He would have had removed root hairs and triple his yield.. Common... He wrote 4 books about it... He is a master gardener.

Ps. While holding his sons with his right hand
 
PJ Diaz

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elkukupanda said:
PJ Diaz said:
I did that one time too. Yes, it makes aeration to the roots a challenge. Since I switched from potting soil mixes to coco/perlite I haven't seen any gnats at all. Also, it's very difficult to overwater with coco/perlite, so you can feed every day. Plants like fresh nutes.
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No fucking way... You talking about god-like Diaz? What did you do with him? He would have had removed root hairs and triple his yield.. Common... He wrote 4 books about it... He is a master gardener.

Ps. While holding his sons with his right hand
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Just trying to help you dude. I've been where you are and overcame it. You don't want my help? It really doesn't matter to me. Your biases are blinding you my friend. Also, I never said if my kids were boys or girls now did I?

I just proved a few posts back (not the first time either) that Uncle Ben can be wrong. Let the truth enlighten your mind my brother.

I never said I was perfect, but I am a very good BS detector.
 
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elkukupanda

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PJ Diaz said:
Just trying to help you dude. I've been where you are and overcame it. You don't want my help? It really doesn't matter to me. Your biases are blinding you my friend. Also, I never said if my kids were boys or girls now did I?

I just proved a few posts back (not the first time either) that Uncle Ben can be wrong. Let the truth enlighten your mind my brother.

I never said I was perfect, but I am a very good BS detector.
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you don't seem to get anything.. Quit elaborating shit to prove a point.. I don't care if you have sons.. daughters.. a wooden leg... You seem to think people can't see the way you do things... Nobody is looking at UB as a a perfect thing. However, he is a solid point of reference... Honestly... This is stupid... Have a good life sir.
 
Uncle Ben

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PJ Diaz said:
I just proved a few posts back (not the first time either) that Uncle Ben can be wrong. Let the truth enlighten your mind my brother.
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The only thing you've proven is that you're a cyber stalking troll, a nutjob.

You need to read my basics. You might learn something about temperatures and other cultural factors. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers.html Noticed I made a genotype distinction by using the term 'hybrid', aka mutt?

And for the record, you sat there like some confrontational loon fishing in whatever source you might have, a book, the internet, your boyfriend's chest tattoo.....for some piece that just might contradict what I wrote. As usual, you twisted, took the temp recommendation out of context as the author applied it in general. So, we're both correct (Jorge and me)...... not that it matters - gardening is a matter of using common sense. Point being, sativas are indigenous to hot equatorial regions and I've grown plenty of pure sativas - Dalat Vietnamese, Zamal, Oaxacan Mexican, Original Haze to know that they prefer day temps at 85F or more. I'd say a good day range for an Oaxacan Mexican or Vietnamese sativa is 80F to 95F with a drop in temp at night from 10 - 25F. My O. Haze, a pure sativa hybrid, enjoyed summer day temps of 90 - 105F last year. A pure indica may have stressed out.

Like I said, get some help. You're obsessed.

UB
 
keebo3000

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pj diaz said:
i usually do keep it to myself. My point is, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about on that point, which would lead me to believe the same for most of your silly statements.

Fyi, i'm only responding to you for my personal amusement. It's funny.
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extremely!!
 
keebo3000

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elkukupanda said:
No fucking way... You talking about god-like Diaz? What did you do with him? He would have had removed root hairs and triple his yield.. Common... He wrote 4 books about it... He is a master gardener.

Ps. While holding his sons with his right hand
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funny is funny but children should be off limits IMO.
 
keebo3000

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Uncle Ben said:
I've grown plenty of pure sativas - Dalat Vietnamese, Zamal, Oaxacan Mexican, Original Haze to know that they prefer day temps at 85F or more. I'd say a good day range for an Oaxacan Mexican or Vietnamese sativa is 80F to 95F with a drop in temp at night from 10 - 25F. My O. Haze, a pure sativa hybrid, enjoyed summer day temps of 90 - 105F last year. A pure indica may have stressed out.

UB
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so what you are saying, if im reading correctly, is that your experience with sativas goes against something documented? hmm very interesting.
 
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elkukupanda

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keebo3000 said:
funny is funny but children should be off limits IMO.
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Exactly.. That's my whole sarcasm about... You don't bring that stuff online tob back up your ego, but don't worry in a few more days he'll deny... Probablyv erase the thread and claim he never did like he does... This guy is a farce
 
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elkukupanda

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Lmao, I only read the first sentence tho... Anyways, firstly.. Again.. Keep it for yourself, not interested. Second.. Like I said you don't fool anyone, I was beggining to grow when I saw you stalking down ub on all his threads.. That's why I laugh at you.. So delusional.. People here have experties besides growing pot... But let's not elevate ourselfs with egocentric bs... Its pathetic that it have to get to this point lol... Step out of your gardenss.. I think you forgot how to interact with people... Or maybe you think your words outsmart everyone... Ofv course, you are on top of the game I forgot
 
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Anyways lol, UB keep on doing your thing.. Educated people apopreciate the free consultation with your expertise, I do not do that in what I do... So is nice to see you are paying it back somehow.
 
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Btw UB plants were drinking really good at 30.5c.... Night time is another story... But I can't tell now cuz of the sand for sure... I'll guess I'll wait till next grow but plants seems to be loving the crazy drops of temperature..
 
Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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Thats like me saying "you think god put those nice branches on your apple tree's for you to just prune them off?" silly arguement, we manipulate plants in all sorts of ways to get what we want out of them.



Fair enough, you will not convince me with scientific articles when I have personally seen the results on my grows and other peoples and I won't convince you otherwise as your growing style is to emulate what happens outside to the inside environment. I'm fine with that, personal preference.

What I don't understand is why you try to prove something wrong with only scientific articles when you'll never really properly attempted to see how it effects a grow inside. I've read a lot of your work and you have shared a lot of good information from pruning for tops, spin-out for chemical pruning, to dialing in nutrients with a better NPK ratios than cannabis specific nutrient provide. It's great information for all growers. But you know how you got this information to share? by doing experiments on your own and finding out the results, THEN sharing the information good or bad. I challenge you to start a SOG grow under a bunch of lights, leave half of them on their own, fan leave the other half every two weeks and see the result like a lot of us have done. THEN share your results and if you still believe defoliation has a negative effect on marijuana plants then fair enough. I have done the tests on my own and therefor I can testify and try and help others who may be curious about how defoliation can help a grow. Scientific articles on corn, cowpeas or lemon tree's really don't prove anything. Going to your grow and trying it out is the only way to really know if it helps. Hell you've been around for long enough that you must have seen some positive results from accomplished growers that defoliate, unless you've just just choosen to ignore it.
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Science provides proof and an explanation for just about everything in this world...The only thing I can think of in life that doesn't relate to science is religion.
People prove things with science.....You can't prove anything without science man :joint:

Everything that we're doing here goes back to science....You might think you're just experimenting....but the results you find are do to the science behind the experiment.
I think Unc is just ON ONE.....And hes sticking to his guns....Oh well...that's him man...

But the proof of EVERYTHING lies in it's science.
 
Sincerely420

Sincerely420

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Uncle Ben said:
The only thing you've proven is that you're a cyber stalking troll, a nutjob.

You need to read my basics. You might learn something about temperatures and other cultural factors. https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/267989-uncle-bens-gardening-tweeks-pointers.html Noticed I made a genotype distinction by using the term 'hybrid', aka mutt?

And for the record, you sat there like some confrontational loon fishing in whatever source you might have, a book, the internet, your boyfriend's chest tattoo.....for some piece that just might contradict what I wrote. As usual, you twisted, took the temp recommendation out of context as the author applied it in general. So, we're both correct (Jorge and me)...... not that it matters - gardening is a matter of using common sense. Point being, sativas are indigenous to hot equatorial regions and I've grown plenty of pure sativas - Dalat Vietnamese, Zamal, Oaxacan Mexican, Original Haze to know that they prefer day temps at 85F or more. I'd say a good day range for an Oaxacan Mexican or Vietnamese sativa is 80F to 95F with a drop in temp at night from 10 - 25F. My O. Haze, a pure sativa hybrid, enjoyed summer day temps of 90 - 105F last year. A pure indica may have stressed out.

Like I said, get some help. You're obsessed.

UB
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When you get SO good at something sometimes....I guess it's hard to feel like your NOT GOD...
Its just a little difficult for me to understand why you'd rather argue about everything versus debate about em....

There isn't one way man. If there was there wouldn't be a need for this forum....And there would be A GUIDE to growing cannabis....Not guides with guides in them! And more guides on top of that...
I'm a survivor in general....
And survivors adapt.

That's FACT.....Not Opinon.
 
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