squarefodder
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here is an excerpt from Jorge Cervantes book Marijuana grow basics.
interesting
interesting
Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???
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OldGrowAddict
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There are too many variables, we all understand this topic is about removing leaves ... but... When? How much? How often? What goal? There is a lot of different ways to prune during 3 months.
I guess there is no real answer to this issue, because the debate itself is not defined precisely.
But I do know ONE thing for certain, after all of my years growing (small scale indoors), I get about 1 gram/watt consistently - and that is with no cutting of leaves at ALL.
Edit: I've never tried removing fan-leaves during the plants life, so I don't know if people who remove fan-leaves get 2 gr/watt or something. At least my method works for me, and if your method works for you then keep doing it.
BTW: I know gr/watt is meaningless, I just wanted to say I'm satisfied with not removing leaves. And are people who remove fan-leaves that are happy too, at least it seems that way - so I guess it's not that a big deal.
I guess there is no real answer to this issue, because the debate itself is not defined precisely.
But I do know ONE thing for certain, after all of my years growing (small scale indoors), I get about 1 gram/watt consistently - and that is with no cutting of leaves at ALL.
Edit: I've never tried removing fan-leaves during the plants life, so I don't know if people who remove fan-leaves get 2 gr/watt or something. At least my method works for me, and if your method works for you then keep doing it.
BTW: I know gr/watt is meaningless, I just wanted to say I'm satisfied with not removing leaves. And are people who remove fan-leaves that are happy too, at least it seems that way - so I guess it's not that a big deal.
t2kallday
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thats what im talking about man, there are a ton of ways to train leaves during three months! lazy people cut them off! check it out heres what i do. knuckle the leaf stem!I dont cut any leaves! Sometimes they snap too far but its ok if u break a few
t2kallday
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Thanks man! Its nine plant btw...
stumpjumper
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It's pretty hilarious all these book smart know-it-alls can have example after example, testimony after testimony shoved in their face over and over and they still can't open their mind to something that goes against what they think they know lol.
Pathetic really.
I've grown plants without trimming leaves and I've trimmed leaves. I never strip them bare and I don't trim because of a sickly plant.. When I trim I only trim what I need to expose lower nodes to direct light and it does make a difference. You can sit there and say whatever you want but based on your reply I can tell whether you've actually tried it or not.
Pathetic really.
I've grown plants without trimming leaves and I've trimmed leaves. I never strip them bare and I don't trim because of a sickly plant.. When I trim I only trim what I need to expose lower nodes to direct light and it does make a difference. You can sit there and say whatever you want but based on your reply I can tell whether you've actually tried it or not.
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oceangreen
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Lots of input on this thread
skunkd0c
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an old grow from a few years back, this strain wanted to have its leaves picked off
it did well
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/240168-barneys-sweet-tooth-nft-grow.html
peace
it did well
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/240168-barneys-sweet-tooth-nft-grow.html
peace
stumpjumper
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Proof is in the Pudding?an old grow from a few years back, this strain wanted to have its leaves picked offit did wellhttps://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/240168-barneys-sweet-tooth-nft-grow.htmlpeace
Huel Perkins
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Remove all your leaves, photosynthesis is a myth. All plants really need is electrolytes!
CashCrops
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Nothing beats Brawndo!
skunkd0c
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Experiment with your plants its fun!
sometimes you win sometimes you lose, if you are not an imbecile hopefully you will learn from the experience
from my own experience defoliation does not always improve things, it is strain/pheno dependent on weather the overall yield / colas quility will improve
i tend NOT to remove leaves from pure indica/afghan types, or at least do so much more cautiously as this has resulted in distorted re-growth with some strains
for me personally defoliation is a form of canopy management, i know others think it works regardless, this in not my view
it can help to produce more bud over the whole crop of plants that are very close together
i also tuck the leaves under with some strains rather than remove them, other strains like the sweet tooth pheno i had, do not seem to need very many leaves at all
some plants will naturally make lots of leaves, others normally sativa dominated plants can produce colas with very few leaves, i see removing leaves from more leafy strains
as a quick fix to what could be found naturally among other pheno's of the same strain anyway
to me it seems silly to think each plant would grow naturally indoor producing the "perfect" amount of leaves, plants indoor normally grow in an awkward shape because of the light only coming from above and not having a more balanced light spread all around them, like they would grow naturally outdoor, in the more xmas tree shape
indoor they grow top heavy because of this, forming a canopy of leaves is not helpful in my opinion , i want a canopy of colas that have no light restriction to the middle and lower nodes
which will also form large colas with the right strain
genetically a given plant could produce more or less leaves than its sisters, breeding can be used to produce plants that produce few leaves which is often a desirable trait
those against experimenting seem to be saying that the plant must be left to grow naturally with the amount of leaves that it was given genetically since it must be "perfect"
to start with
is the sister plant that grows more leaves naturally better because it has more leaves ?
is the sister plant that naturally grows less leaves weaker in some way, simply because it has less leaves ?
overall it is much easier to follow the guidelines from growbooks, and other such guru's a bit like following a recipe from a cook book, this way you do not need to think for yourself or take any risks
personally i find this approach boring and stagnant
found a few more pics, lol,
this is 4 plants on the opposite side of the room very close spacing, with many leaves removed at 3-4 weeks flower
peace
sometimes you win sometimes you lose, if you are not an imbecile hopefully you will learn from the experience
from my own experience defoliation does not always improve things, it is strain/pheno dependent on weather the overall yield / colas quility will improve
i tend NOT to remove leaves from pure indica/afghan types, or at least do so much more cautiously as this has resulted in distorted re-growth with some strains
for me personally defoliation is a form of canopy management, i know others think it works regardless, this in not my view
it can help to produce more bud over the whole crop of plants that are very close together
i also tuck the leaves under with some strains rather than remove them, other strains like the sweet tooth pheno i had, do not seem to need very many leaves at all
some plants will naturally make lots of leaves, others normally sativa dominated plants can produce colas with very few leaves, i see removing leaves from more leafy strains
as a quick fix to what could be found naturally among other pheno's of the same strain anyway
to me it seems silly to think each plant would grow naturally indoor producing the "perfect" amount of leaves, plants indoor normally grow in an awkward shape because of the light only coming from above and not having a more balanced light spread all around them, like they would grow naturally outdoor, in the more xmas tree shape
indoor they grow top heavy because of this, forming a canopy of leaves is not helpful in my opinion , i want a canopy of colas that have no light restriction to the middle and lower nodes
which will also form large colas with the right strain
genetically a given plant could produce more or less leaves than its sisters, breeding can be used to produce plants that produce few leaves which is often a desirable trait
those against experimenting seem to be saying that the plant must be left to grow naturally with the amount of leaves that it was given genetically since it must be "perfect"
to start with
is the sister plant that grows more leaves naturally better because it has more leaves ?
is the sister plant that naturally grows less leaves weaker in some way, simply because it has less leaves ?
overall it is much easier to follow the guidelines from growbooks, and other such guru's a bit like following a recipe from a cook book, this way you do not need to think for yourself or take any risks
personally i find this approach boring and stagnant
found a few more pics, lol,
this is 4 plants on the opposite side of the room very close spacing, with many leaves removed at 3-4 weeks flower
peace
Uncle Ben
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What's your point?Experiment with your plants its fun!
sometimes you win sometimes you lose, if you are not an imbecile hopefully you will learn from the experience
from my own experience defoliation does not always improve things, it is strain/pheno dependent on weather the overall yield / colas quility will improve
i tend NOT to remove leaves from pure indica/afghan types, or at least do so much more cautiously as this has resulted in distorted re-growth with some strains
for me personally defoliation is a form of canopy management, i know others think it works regardless, this in not my view
it can help to produce more bud over the whole crop of plants that are very close together
i also tuck the leaves under with some strains rather than remove them, other strains like the sweet tooth pheno i had, do not seem to need very many leaves at all
some plants will naturally make lots of leaves, others normally sativa dominated plants can produce colas with very few leaves, i see removing leaves from more leafy strains
as a quick fix to what could be found naturally among other pheno's of the same strain anyway
to me it seems silly to think each plant would grow naturally indoor producing the "perfect" amount of leaves, plants indoor normally grow in an awkward shape because of the light only coming from above and not having a more balanced light spread all around them, like they would grow naturally outdoor, in the more xmas tree shape
indoor they grow top heavy because of this, forming a canopy of leaves is not helpful in my opinion , i want a canopy of colas that have no light restriction to the middle and lower nodes
which will also form large colas with the right strain
genetically a given plant could produce more or less leaves than its sisters, breeding can be used to produce plants that produce few leaves which is often a desirable trait
those against experimenting seem to be saying that the plant must be left to grow naturally with the amount of leaves that it was given genetically since it must be "perfect"
to start with
is the sister plant that grows more leaves naturally better because it has more leaves ?
is the sister plant that naturally grows less leaves weaker in some way, simply because it has less leaves ?
overall it is much easier to follow the guidelines from growbooks, and other such guru's a bit like following a recipe from a cook book, this way you do not need to think for yourself or take any risks
personally i find this approach boring and stagnant
found a few more pics, lol,
this is 4 plants on the opposite side of the room very close spacing, with many leaves removed at 3-4 weeks flower
peace
blindbaby
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are like solar panels. and when they start to die, they are giving up their selves, to feed the buds. true, they seem to block light. but, im leaving mine on now, as before, i removed them. now, only if a leaf falls off with just a tiny tug, will i do it. however, i am still trying to lean how some of these guys get so much yield. one time i got like 3.5 oz of each of five godbud plants. not since. what did i do? maybe not over crowd them?
stumpjumper
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A picture is worth 1000 words.
Uncle Ben
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And so is a picture with a plant's leaves left on like nature intended it to be, like my avatar. His main colas are not that fat, nor do we see a room of mature plants ready for harvest. It's about at this point that folks induce premature leaf necrosis due to the application of bloom foods, do the never ending coverup dance by embracing an ill conceived cannabis forum paradigm. If you can't retain 90% of a plant's leaves come harvest, you need to start over and read some books on plant culture....and nutrition.
This is not hearsay people, it's science.
Sheesh, with every new crop of noobies......
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