Woomeister
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Fan leaf removal will not, I repeat NOT help your grow. Light will penetrate the leaves...
Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???
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skunkd0c
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reading books and quoting from them masquerading yourself as an intellectual is a popular past-time for many a troll on this wonderful forum
personally i would let the finished product speak for itself
it's kind of ironic that the plants grown by these budding scientists at RIU appear no more impressive than those grown by us mere mortals
marijuana botany makes a good paperweight , some very outdated information in this book, i bought it around 20 years ago along with cannabis alchemy , another popular book at the time
although some of it is of interest , why uncle thinks it is so wonderful i have no clue, does he think he has the only copy lol ?
its a shame brick top is not here to copy and paste us some of his expert knowledge too
peace
personally i would let the finished product speak for itself
it's kind of ironic that the plants grown by these budding scientists at RIU appear no more impressive than those grown by us mere mortals
marijuana botany makes a good paperweight , some very outdated information in this book, i bought it around 20 years ago along with cannabis alchemy , another popular book at the time
although some of it is of interest , why uncle thinks it is so wonderful i have no clue, does he think he has the only copy lol ?
its a shame brick top is not here to copy and paste us some of his expert knowledge too
peace
stumpjumper
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You're a fucking idiot too.. Take a look at my grow and tell me which branches are the apical dominant.. I control the apical dominance of my plants to maintain an even canopy of multiple colas. But I don't know shit about it huh? Your plant doesn't impress me as much as mine do. Should anything else matter to me? Your grasping for straws now, apical dominance has shit to do with defoliating. Go back and reread your book. You sound ignorant.
Big difference Murf.. Mites are constantly sucking the life out of a plant, cutting off a few leaves to allow some light penetration is quite the contrary. Nice try though, you and Huel... Big difference.
They wont even acknowledge your plant if you do something that goes beyond their limited understanding of growing cannabis. Why confine yourself to the pages of a fucking book.. Oh so you quote it and act smart lol. It doesn't work when you're wrong though, sorry.reading books and quoting from them masquerading yourself as an intellectual is a popular past-time for many a troll on this wonderful forum
personally i would let the finished product speak for itself
it's kind of ironic that the plants grown by these budding scientists at RIU appear no more impressive than those grown by us mere mortals
marijuana botany makes a good paperweight , some very outdated information in this book, i bought it around 20 years ago along with cannabis alchemy , another popular book at the time
although some of it is of interest , why uncle thinks it is so wonderful i have no clue, does he think he has the only copy lol ?
its a shame brick top is not here to copy and paste us some of his expert knowledge too
peace
stumpjumper
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Way too new school for most in this room... Nice video, too bad he doesn't show the results
Anyways, back to Apical dominance since Uncle Bend wanted to change the subject, here's a prime example of a bunch of plants that I have controlled and trained each axillary branch to think it was the apical branch, bud or what-not.. Of course you can't really "trick" something that doesn't have the ability to think, it's really all about the plants growth hormones or "auxin" and "cytokinin". This is all for another thread, and there's probably one buried in here some where.
UB claims I don't know shit and I am a noob grower and all that other shit.. He missed the part where I stated my experience as a lead propagator for a nursery/greenhouse for a couple years. Yeah couple years big whoop. I couldn't have learned much. I couldn't have learned much in the garden since I was 3 years old every growing season either.
Here's that prime example I was talking about. You'll have to excuse the missing fan leaves that weren't in a state of necrosis when I cut them. I actually cut them to get some light down below. Seems to be helping, as usual.
woodsmantoker
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Really buck?
You forgot the most important part...An explanation. This is the equation for photosynthesis however, The correct equation is-
6CO2 + 12H2O ( in presence of Sunlight and Chlorophyll ) = C6H12O6 + 6H2O + O6
Just saying..
woodsmantoker
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Wildlife Biology / Environmental Science Double Major from the University of Alaska Fairbanks...
I most certainly have!
And to be precis, I have done a study on the inhibitory effect of flowering and fruit growth on photosynthesis.
Uncle Ben
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The plant material at the top is always dominant, which is what I said regarding WHERE the plant is focusing, directing, its "energy" which translates - the lower plant parts will get the leftovers so to speak. Again, the production of the flowers at the lowest levels on the "trunk" has nothing to do with shading from fan leaves. It is driven by chronological development and hormonal processes.
No you don't, unless you top whereby the hormones are redirected to the uppermost areas. See my topping thread.
Would someone with a horticultural background please explain to this tard what I meant.
I quit.....
hexthat
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Where is the plants growth hormones forum I've done lots of research on this. Why I will always use superthrive, unless I'm growing organic bunk weed.Way too new school for most in this room... Nice video, too bad he doesn't show the results
Anyways, back to Apical dominance since Uncle Bend wanted to change the subject, here's a prime example of a bunch of plants that I have controlled and trained each axillary branch to think it was the apical branch, bud or what-not.. Of course you can't really "trick" something that doesn't have the ability to think, it's really all about the plants growth hormones or "auxin" and "cytokinin". This is all for another thread, and there's probably one buried in here some where.
UB claims I don't know shit and I am a noob grower and all that other shit.. He missed the part where I stated my experience as a lead propagator for a nursery/greenhouse for a couple years. Yeah couple years big whoop. I couldn't have learned much. I couldn't have learned much in the garden since I was 3 years old every growing season either.
Here's that prime example I was talking about. You'll have to excuse the missing fan leaves that weren't in a state of necrosis when I cut them. I actually cut them to get some light down below. Seems to be helping, as usual.
I have yet to smoke any good organic better then chem hydro.
woodsmantoker
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Just gotta toss this in, and have never mentioned it before now:
Cervantes did a "cup" in Lansing MI where he awarded a "Dale" the grower. "Dale" and his pal "Jeff" invited me to co-instruct a grow class with them last year. Quickly I learned a thing or two about these guys and Cervantes....
I was later asked to assist in a green house build and grow where "Dale" jumped in as the garden attendant in the face of "disaster" when I was away for a while. After a few weeks away, I returned and was approached by Dale and told quote "Your going to be mad at me, I put some things on "your" garden that you didn't ask for and you may not be able to consider it fully organic anymore...". He then went on to say that powdery mildew was infecting the garden and that the product (green cure) left behind for use, was not a suitable choice, and that he was using Serenade instead. I walked in and the garden looked like it had been snowed on...(I assume they spent the "oh shit fund" on Serenade until it was gone, then gave up) I walked away from this one at that point, and with an education and understanding that taking anyone, even legendary "experts" like Jorge, with a grain of salt is a good idea.
Sorry for the subject change folks. Ill leave this to you. This thread reviews a commonly asked question that for "15 plus" years of posting, would have me less than interested in arguing about anymore. I was done after a few years. I scrog, I remove foliage. If you care to know, ask me.
Cervantes did a "cup" in Lansing MI where he awarded a "Dale" the grower. "Dale" and his pal "Jeff" invited me to co-instruct a grow class with them last year. Quickly I learned a thing or two about these guys and Cervantes....
I was later asked to assist in a green house build and grow where "Dale" jumped in as the garden attendant in the face of "disaster" when I was away for a while. After a few weeks away, I returned and was approached by Dale and told quote "Your going to be mad at me, I put some things on "your" garden that you didn't ask for and you may not be able to consider it fully organic anymore...". He then went on to say that powdery mildew was infecting the garden and that the product (green cure) left behind for use, was not a suitable choice, and that he was using Serenade instead. I walked in and the garden looked like it had been snowed on...(I assume they spent the "oh shit fund" on Serenade until it was gone, then gave up) I walked away from this one at that point, and with an education and understanding that taking anyone, even legendary "experts" like Jorge, with a grain of salt is a good idea.
Sorry for the subject change folks. Ill leave this to you. This thread reviews a commonly asked question that for "15 plus" years of posting, would have me less than interested in arguing about anymore. I was done after a few years. I scrog, I remove foliage. If you care to know, ask me.
hexthat
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PM is hard to control with organics....
LMFAO all you have to do is floral spray with pH+ water....
Dude that is so shitty... "mad" more like he rammed a knife in your heart, or your lover for years just cheated on you.... you know the feeling.
hexthat
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http://www.serenadegarden.com/wp-content/themes/sg/labels-msds/con-label.pdf
serenade is OMRI listed organic btw
serenade is OMRI listed organic btw
Uncle Ben
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So you took your football and went home, eh? Serenade is an effective product. If it's labeled for use on edibles, especially tobacco products, then it's safe and should be used as directed on the label. Now, if you're hung up on the typical green movement crap....no amount of logic will convince you otherwise. It's all about "feel-good" with organic purists, nothing short than another lame cult.
I've sprayed with Captan or T-methyl on cannabis.
UB
woodsmantoker
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^^^ Funny too, I bought cases of lemon juice and had several backpack sprayers, I was told it would "dissolve the resin glands" . So I left and made lots of Lemonaid!
Uncle Ben
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It's a very broad spectrum fungicide.....good call by Jorge et al. This suggests there was some bad vibes going on in the group. I could never do a partnership like this. It's like the old saying that is so true - "do not ever lend money to family or friends". Just doesn't work out.
UB
Uncle Pirate
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[video=youtube;8Zqe4ZV9LDs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8Zqe4ZV9LDs[/video]
woodsmantoker
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I don't have a garden or a football! 
I assist others free of charge and try to stick to their game plan. Plan was to keep that one organic and in return I would have images for my thread here at RIU. Giant Scrog Garden. She was content with Dale, I was content with other gardens I was overseeing, and we all lived on. End of story.
Serenade works great, we just were not suppose to buy for this garden, it was a fully supplied deal brother. Dale charged the sick woman for "curing the problem". But she was good with it, so were all good.
I assist others free of charge and try to stick to their game plan. Plan was to keep that one organic and in return I would have images for my thread here at RIU. Giant Scrog Garden. She was content with Dale, I was content with other gardens I was overseeing, and we all lived on. End of story.
Serenade works great, we just were not suppose to buy for this garden, it was a fully supplied deal brother. Dale charged the sick woman for "curing the problem". But she was good with it, so were all good.
Sir.Ganga
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Light has everything to do with it! Manipulating the genetics of cannabis is what INDOOR growing is all about. Genetics allow a plant to produce x amount in optimal conditions, now you as the grower(god) decides what type of growth. Lower bud site can be manipulated in a way that you now produce the weight heigher on the plant thus increasing bud size while eliminating the useless popcorn, by telling me you get popcorn outdoors speaks to your abilities or lack of. Sad you come here with bad info and cannot learn from someone with greater experience or ability, your loss.
WRONG AGAIN! My background is in the AG industry and my lab work and studies go way deeper than what you are reading on the net... but keep believing what you read from the kiddies who thinks he can grow a 1zip plant then post online about their GREAT technique or some out dated practices from a gone era. Manipulation of crops has grown in population in the last twenty years for only one reason INCREASED food production.
Gees! you sure can get your fact mixed up. You are correct in the thinking they are used for, but skewed on their job exactly. At a certain point in the life cycle they become a detriment to the plant and is at that point a good grower will reconize this and help their plant. Some strains will actually show you, have you ever wonderd why some leaf stems start to turn purple at a certain point?The plant is shutting down those leaves to increase growth elsewhere. Sorry roots do not store anything, their the transportation hub for moving product up the chain to be used or stored. Stems are like your backbone or at least someone that has one. You talk about fruits and veggies and make comparisons to them so much it makes me wonder if you grow cannabis at all?
This statement has said it all, you can't tell the difference between a plant that has been severly manipulated and one that isn't. This plant was stripped clean at the start of flower and a practice I call controlled removal right up to harvest. What you seem to think is lots of leaves is the re-growth from the manipulation. This is how my girls enter my flower chamber
You are the one that seems scared, my technique and ability speak volumes for advocating PROPER LEAF REMOVAL
Enjoy your popcorn bud if you want, but stop giving people bad advice from an era long gone.
Obviously you should stick to fruits and vegetables since your knowledge base seems to come from that. I think there a veggie grower forum somewhere...ask your internet buddies I'm sure they can point you in the right direction, after their diaper change that is...
hexthat
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so your upset they spend money on something when you feel green cure would have sufficed?I don't have a garden or a football!
I assist others free of charge and try to stick to their game plan. Plan was to keep that one organic and in return I would have images for my thread here at RIU. Giant Scrog Garden. She was content with Dale, I was content with other gardens I was overseeing, and we all lived on. End of story.
Serenade works great, we just were not suppose to buy for this garden, it was a fully supplied deal brother. Dale charged the sick woman for "curing the problem". But she was good with it, so were all good.
I feel all you need is some pH up and water...
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