Fascism and the Republican Party

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
flipping the house would be great, but just making the fucking republicans follow the rules and not make shit up as they go wouldn't be a bad start.
Of course, that is slow poison for them, the only way they can win is to cheat and game the system, gerrymandering themselves into majorities that don't exist in a world where things are done legally.
It will cause a MAJOR disturbance, but there needs to be more federal oversight into shit like this. They can scream about states rights all they want, who gives a shit if they scream? They had their chance, and they sharted the entire fucking bedroom. Now it's time for those who have to clean up after them to set some rules.
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I too would be furious at my state government if they took the extreme measures against the opposition that Republicans did to Democrats in Tennessee. And in my state that would mean expelling Republicans. Their act was an attack on democracy, not Democrats. In Oregon, it would probably be the only thing that could unify Democrats with Republicans. So, maybe this is the tipping point for Tennessee. Maybe this time Tennessee GOP leaders broke through the resistance of every day GOP voters to see what they are doing to the state and to the country. I hope so.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
I too would be furious at my state government if they took the extreme measures against the opposition that Republicans did to Democrats in Tennessee. And in my state that would mean expelling Republicans. Their act was an attack on democracy, not Democrats. In Oregon, it would probably be the only thing that could unify Democrats with Republicans. So, maybe this is the tipping point for Tennessee. Maybe this time Tennessee GOP leaders broke through the resistance of every day GOP voters to see what they are doing to the state and to the country. I hope so.
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Me too...and in some places it very well might, but state wide, i don't think enough of the populace has evolved that far. I'm thinking the major metro areas will remain blue, and the hillbilly hollers are are going to stay red for at least a little while longer.
It actually wouldn't be a problem if Gerrymandering was outlawed, and districts were drawn fairly, by impartial, bipartisan committees.
republicans would still have a majority, but NOT a super majority, by far.
 
CunningCanuk

CunningCanuk

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Fogdog said:
I have a big blind spot regarding what right wing authoritarians will do. Proximity to them helps but the farther away they are, the less able I am to predict what they will do. I would hope that the anti-democratic act of expelling members of the legislature for exercising their right to speak out on public matters will shake people into their senses about what's going on. I would hope this causes people to re-think their votes and choose better people next time. But I have no faith that MAGA GOP followers can see the harm to democracy and wrongness of what the Tennessee GOP leaders have just done. More likely, instead of reflecting on the fact that Memphis and Nashville voters have been disenfranchised for no good reason, people in hard core red districts are celebrating. This only hardens the divide and doesn't change people's minds.
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Republicans are more interested in owning the libs than they are about governing.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Tennessee made the top 10 gerrymandered states, on wonders why they would need to resort to such measures, they already have super majority control, perhaps they want total control of society? To what end? So they can keep shoveling red meat to their base of morons along with destroying democracy and liberty. When fucking somebody else becomes more important than your own welfare or that of your country, then you are at war. Maybe some were lied to, but most really aren't that stupid, not many people are, and we often see them interviewed outside Trump events dressed up like the simple-minded lunatics they are.

Gerrymandering causes minority rule and extremist candidates who can do no wrong at home to be elected. The "freedom caucus" is an example of the results of this.



The worst states for legislative partisan gerrymanders after the 2018 elections
The following states are the top 10 worst legislative partisan gerrymanders as of 2019. To
qualify for the list of worst partisan gerrymanders, the state legislative redistricting must have been
done by a legislature or partisan politician committee and had one or both of the following: (1) one
or both state legislative chambers had minority rule following the 2018 elections; and/or (2) the
percentage of the party’s seats was extremely disproportional to the statewide partisan popular
vote.3

1. Virginia
2. Wisconsin
3. Pennsylvania
4. Michigan
5. North Carolina
6. Ohio
7. Nevada
8 (tie). Arkansas
8 (tie). Oklahoma
9. Kentucky
10. Tennessee
Partisan Gerrymandering and Minority Rule
In a surprisingly large number of U.S. states, minority rule occurs. Minority rule is defined
as the party with the minority of votes in the most recent election nevertheless controlling the
majority of seats in the state legislature subsequent to that election. In minority rule states, the state
legislative popular vote does not match the partisan control of the state legislative chamber.
Minority rule in state legislative lower chambers. Following the 2018 elections, five state
houses with districts drawn by legislators or partisan-leaning committees reveal some of the most
egregious gerrymanders in the United States because they allowed governance via minority rule:
Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin (see table 1).4
In four of these
state houses elected in 2018, a minority of voters chose the party that nevertheless won the
majority of the legislative seats. A fifth state, Virginia holds their state legislative elections in odd-3
numbered years, and elected its state house in 2017. Virginia also had a political party control its
state house that was chosen by a minority of voters.
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Bud man 43

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Fogdog said:
Biden said it out loud in a speech a few days ago. We all knew it before he said it but to have the President of the United States come out and say it. That's different. Let the light of truth purify us.

www.cbsnews.com

Biden slams "MAGA Republicans," compares the philosophy to "semi-fascism"

At a campaign rally for Maryland Democrats, he said, "You have to choose. Will we be a country that moves forward or a country that moves backward?"
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com

President Biden called on Democrats Thursday "to vote to literally save democracy once again" - and compared Republican ideology to "semi-fascism" - as he led a kickoff rally and a fundraiser in Maryland 75 days out from the midterm elections.

Addressing an overflow crowd of thousands at Richard Montgomery High School in Rockville, Mr. Biden said, "Your right to choose is on the ballot this year. The Social Security you paid for from the time you had a job is on the ballot. The safety of your kids from gun violence is on the ballot, and it's not hyperbole - the very survival of our planet is on the ballot."

"You have to choose," Mr. Biden added. "Will we be a country that moves forward or a country that moves backward?"

Mr. Biden on Thursday expanded on his effort to paint Republicans as the "ultra-MAGA" party - a reference to former President Donald Trump's "Make America Great Again" campaign slogan - opposing his agenda and embracing conservative ideological proposals as well as Trump's false claims about the 2020 election.

"What we're seeing now is either the beginning or the death knell of an extreme MAGA philosophy," Mr. Biden told donors at the fundraiser. "It's not just Trump, it's the entire philosophy that underpins the - I'm going to say something, it's like semi-fascism."

"I respect conservative Republicans," Mr. Biden said later. "I don't respect these MAGA Republicans."



That's it, folks. He said what we all knew. The MAGA Republican Party has turned away from democracy and toward the violent, backward, authoritarian autocratic ideology of Hitler and Mussolini.

We know this from what Trump read with great interest.

Trump’s Ex-Wife Says He Kept Hitler’s Book of Speeches by Bedside
Donald Trump’s ex-wife in an interview in 1990 said that Trump kept a book of Hitler’s speeches by his bed side.

United States Presidential candidate for 2016, Donald Trump used to sleep with a book of Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler’s speeches by his bedside, his former wife Ivana Trump had said in an interview with Vanity Fair in 1990.

A report by Business Insider, cites an excerpt from the interview where Ivana tells her lawyer Michael Kennedy that Trump reads a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, My New Order and keeps it in a cabinet by his bed.



fascist movements include: nationalism (including racial nationalism), hierarchy and elitism, militarism, masculinity, and quasi-religion. Other aspects of fascism such as its "myth of decadence", anti-egalitarianism and totalitarianism can be seen to originate from these ideas.

There are plenty of examples within the Republican Party and their supporters. And some people who post here fit the bill too.
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Only if it was a picture book.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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I think they could find Hitler's new bunker under the RNC in DC and it wouldn't make the slightest difference to 40% of the voters, absolutely nothing is too low for them. After J6 they got a bare majority instead of a landslide in 22 and it was other issues like abortion for the most part that cut down the republican gains in the house, not turning fascist and antidemocratic. Perhaps it might take some time to sink in for some and perhaps Trump's trials and convictions will whittle away his support among independents. The point is republicans have far more power than their numbers, policies, performance and past history warrant, indeed they deserve to be extinct by any patriotic and rational electorate and would be in many other multiparty liberal democracies by now.

The constitution does not mention political parties much less just two having a stranglehold on power, it is abnormal and only one party better than a one-party state. Open primaries are one way out in all 50 states, end party affiliation and reduce tribalism. Having 2 political parties entrenched by law is fundamentally unconstitutional and limits the competition of ideas as in other countries. You will soon have a one-party state as the republicans are unfit for power and descend into chaos, it's just cheating, bigotry and foxnews culture wars and lies keeping them alive now. That's why regulating foxnews and their ilk out of existence will have such a profound effect on US politics and greatly diminish the culture wars narrative.
 
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doughper

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Nice try, but I'm not sure the FD isn't what enabled FauxSnooze in the first place.
Not to mention it's been pretty much weakened since cable TV. And nobody'll
appear on Fox anyway. They may be invited, but refuse. I doubt i'd go on their shit show.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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doughper said:
how's that done?
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By winning a hat trick. The democrats can hold J6 style hearings about foxnews and use the evidence from the lawsuits as a wedge in the door. The purpose of such hearings is to make new law if one is needed. The federal government has the absolute power over broadcast, phone, cable, the internet, or any other form of interstate electronic communications. They can regulate fox out of existence and should criminally indict them before that. They were in a conspiracy with the republican party and provided billions in free advertising and acted as their exclusive propaganda organ. Their pandemic coverage helped to kill hundreds of thousands with lies and disinformation and they carried the big lie and helped cause the insurrection, enough?
 
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doughper

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It's about regulation and laws.

You're pointing to what they did, and their misconduct, but how are they
or OAN or NewsNation or some other facist propaganda outlet regulated?
They need to be held in check instead of repealing the FD and other regulations.
Suits would be good. Enforce some kind of lawsuit, libel/slander, etc., but that's
been tried, and results dubious. I don't think a thing'll come out of the Dominion suits.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
doughper said:
It's about regulation and laws.

You're pointing to what they did, and their misconduct, but how are they
or OAN or NewsNation or some other [fascist] propaganda outlet regulated?
They need to be held in check instead of repealing the FD and other regulations.
Suits would be good. Enforce some kind of lawsuit, libel/slander, etc., but that's
been tried, and results dubious. I don't think a thing'll come out of the Dominion suits.
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now, if there were a revocable license to run paid ads

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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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doughper said:
It's about regulation and laws.

You're pointing to what they did, and their misconduct, but how are they
or OAN or NewsNation or some other facist propaganda outlet regulated?
They need to be held in check instead of repealing the FD and other regulations.
Suits would be good. Enforce some kind of lawsuit, libel/slander, etc., but that's
been tried, and results dubious. I don't think a thing'll come out of the Dominion suits.
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Change the law and regulations and when someone broadcasts a lie(s) on a regulated spoon feed media to the weak minded like radio and TV they get hauled in. We don't want to limit Tucker's speech; on the contrary we want to help him spread the truth, which is why he is put under oath in front of a televised FCC panel and asked to repeat what he said under oath. That is one of many tools that can be used, and they can also include YouTube and other social media too, depending on social impact. YouTube already self-censors for fear of regulation as do other social media platforms. The government can also regulate phone companies and always has and radio and TV were always very tightly regulated. Broadcast porn on TV and see what happens to your 1st amendment rights, the same can apply to, spin, lies and alternative facts masquerading as news.

The democrats need to win to make it happen, pass HR1to level the playing field and pass anti domestic terrorism laws and list with no guns or flying for those on it. Likewise, the federal government has the right to regulate guns, tax them annually and require registration for taxation purposes, just like a car. They can regulate calibers and automatic weapons and outright ban some of the "arms" mentioned in the 2nd, like bombs, cannon, rockets and swords, all were arms, and the 2nd only mentions arms, not guns and it was for military purposes.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Porn is already regulated out of existence on broadcast media, even cursing, this is done for no logical reason, other than it offends some viewers and listeners. Don't lies offend you? Don't they deserve equal treatment to porn and swear words when publicly broadcast and cause real harm to the country as a whole? Cursing or porn does not have the impact of lies in terms of social destruction and undermining faith in democratic institutions while manipulating the character flawed and weak minded for profit and power.

Get your priorities straight, tolerating lies while condemning porn is a lot like the republicans banning books and ignoring the guns that are killing kids FFS. Think about it, the abuse to two unnecessary constitutional amendments brought you to this point, the 1st and the 2nd. No other liberal democracy has such provisions, yet speech is free in all liberal democracies and guns are banned or highly regulated in most others, where the will of the people is reflected into laws much more easily.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Republican WEIRD STUNTS for Trump Backfire

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From Marjorie Taylor Greene comparing Donald Trump to Jesus, to George Santos storming out of his failed NYC protest like a petulant baby, to Lindsey Graham dyeing himself orange to beg for money for Trump, this week's GOP stunts backfired in the most humiliating ways imaginable. Gabe Sanchez breaks it all down on a new 'What Was That?'
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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doughper said:
It's about regulation and laws.

You're pointing to what they did, and their misconduct, but how are they
or OAN or NewsNation or some other facist propaganda outlet regulated?
They need to be held in check instead of repealing the FD and other regulations.
Suits would be good. Enforce some kind of lawsuit, libel/slander, etc., but that's
been tried, and results dubious. I don't think a thing'll come out of the Dominion suits.
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I think quite a bit has come out of the Dominion suits. It's not as if anything will convince their loyal listeners to stop drinking their Kool aide, not even if they learned it was made using an inventory of urine in bottles left behind in a refrigerator when Roger Ailes departed their offices.

The US's 1A is strong because FOX and others are left to air right wing propaganda. Only about 30% actuall believe that shit. 70% either shake their heads and move to real news outlets or laugh a gramps after he takes his tirade to the sofa for a nap. It's strong because even Trump in all his POTUS power could not silence his critics. Its strong because DeSantis is made ridiculous for attacking a cartoon mouse for saying "gay" and his feeble attempts to stop that pesky mouse is ridiculed on the US's most watched comedy show.


I'm more worried about how social media is being used to invade our privacy and how it was used in 2016 to influence the vote. Fox only feeds a fire, it didn't start it.
 
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doughper

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Fogdog said:
quite a bit has come out of the Dominion suits. It's not as if anything will convince their loyal listeners to stop drinking their Kool aide
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I guess that's what i meant. They'll never stop drinking it even if they know it's made up of ...
Fogdog said:
of urine
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Fogdog said:
30% actually believe that
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I think it's more than 30% who believe that propaganda. I'm the of old gramps demographic who watches Fox, but i do not, it's always been repugnant to me, worse than the most repulsive hard core porn. Remember they had a meme way back comparing one image of war, the other of porn, and which one would be worse? Human beings are the weirdest conglomeration of conflicted emotions/values.

I remember 20 years ago or so, Fox News was populated with some of the most ... Hillary says it best, "deplorable" people. It seems as though their casting person (probly Ailes) had some kinda fixation for odd-ass hairlines. THere are still a few of those types left. But they had a collection of some of the weirdest looking freaks you could cobble out from under any alien rock in the universe. Which ppl all look different, sure, and that's not to judge appearances, but they acted as weird as they looked, all of them. ANd then the legs of the blondes. WTF! Nobody else does that, NOBODY. Ailes, he was involved in some right wing media conspiracies way back in the 80s, before Fox. Wish i could find more on Ailes and pix of those weirdos on their cast.
 
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