Faster Clone Rooting Experiment. Dyna-Grow Vs GH with new custom clone feed

MrClone

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Been using GH for a while decided to experiment with a different feed plan with the same 1-1-1 ratio for moms and recomended cutting feed from GH with Rapid start 2 tsp/g PH to 5.5-5.8. I have researched Dyna-Grow A LOT and decided to try it with my same feed ratio of about 1-1-1. Of course I had to modify some additives to achieve this. Mainly I am trying to get cuts to root faster. With healthy moms, I am trying to get full roots in 5 days regardless of strain. So far I have been able to get roots through cubes in massive amounts with old feed and recomended cutting feed from GH in my cloning machines/trays in roughly 6-7 days. Goal for me is to get it to 4-5 days. I have done this one time but forgot the feed because i did not write it down. It was one of those.. I wonder what would happen if I gave my moms this and put this in cloner and totally forgot what I put in it and at what ratio. Whatever it was I got roots and I mean nice roots in 3 days 21 and half hours. Roots were about 1/4 inch long at this time frame but not on all cuts just a couple out of 120 cuts.

For this I am going to cut my tops as they take longer to root as well as second cuts ( cutting another one below where I cut the tops ) as these cuts root faster. All top growth cuts no mid to lower cuts as lower cuts root faster and I am trying see what is going to make the longer rooting ones root faster. If I can cut down time on these then it should cut down time on my normal mid to lower branch cuts

Setup

Large moms are in pots with Sunshine mix #4
New strains ( seedlings and new growing ) 4x8 tray and 4x4 trays with coco mat and 1 bail Sunshine #4 per 4x4 2 per 4x8
Feeding once every 3 days

2x600 watt MH eye hortilux blue bulbs per 4x4 space on a light rail 5.0

Mom mix

Dyna grow Protekt 1/2 tsp/g
Dyna grow feed 1/2 tsp/g
Plus-C 2 tbs/g
Raw Phosphorus 1/8 tsp/g
Acadian Kelp Extract 1/4 tsp/g
Cal-Mag 1 tsp/g
Ph 5.8 ( 5.7-5.8 range )

Mom foliar at the moment is
Protekt, Superthrive, Acadian, yucca and neem ( neem for preventative maintenance daily to every other day if PM is present usually due to laziness and 2x a week if not present one being in weekly feed )

Once every 2-1/2 to 3 weeks
Triacontanol 0.95 ppm per/g with acadian PH'd to 8.0-8.3

Previous clone mix

Recommended dose of GH 1/4 tsp/g and 2 tsp per 5/g Rapid start
I was just being lazy due to amount of work I do and never got a real clone recipe till now because I got sick of waiting 6-8 days for roots to pop through cubes

Clone mix and setup

I stopped being lazy and cheap and added 2 3000 K bulbs per 4ft 8 bulb T5 and came up with a new clone feed out of the need to have faster rooting clones to keep up with business.

4 foot T5 8 bulb lights with 6, 6500 K bulbs and 2, 3000 K bulbs over each 120 site clone machine and 180 site or 5 trays max ( 2,1,2,1,2 bulb setup in T5's )

15 min Dip in Dyna grow KLN 1 tbs/g then dip in Root tech then into clone machines or cubes 100 ppm Raw Phosphorus 1/4 tsp/g Pro-Tekt 2 tsp/g Rapid start 1/8 tsp/g acadian kelp extract, 1/4 tsp/g Superthrive water temps kept at 70-72 degrees with water chillers.

After roots start to form
Ful-power at a 5:2 ratio with seaweed
Usually about 15 gallons in clone machine so I add the break down of
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora Micro,
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora grow,
3.125 tsp per 50/g Flora bloom
Comes out to about 0.9375 txp for each 15 gallon clone machine or 4.6 ml ( when I add the GH nutes the PPM's went up about 2.5 times the amount they would be at with just these nutes alone )
I was adding Rapid start at start of root formation but realized it better to add with pre root mix as I saw better results with faster root formation on stems

I will also be trying Dyna-Grow in place of GH as I saw faster root formation using Dyna instead of GH for clone mix feed ( ratio to be determined )

After i get my mix dialed in I will try a foliar on top of this
Started new mom feed on a couple strains today.
Purple haze
Chemdawg
Animal Cookies
 

MrClone

Active Member
Tested one of my plants brix that I thought was the worst as far as health in my mom room. Brix on this plant was 12.1. I neglected this plant for a while because I set it aside was going to throw it out because clones were taking almost 9 days or more to root some were taking 2 weeks.I then saw other strains that would root in 2 and 1/2 hours short of 4 days taking almost 10, I realized it was a contaminant in my water chiller and have corrected the issue. Have not checked the brix of healthier plants in garden yet but I will today. But I still have decided to change my mom plant feed to a different recipe that comes out to 1.20-1.14-1.14. Took me some tweaking to get it right changing almost the entire above formula but should raise my brix to 15+. I have done away with the cloning machine due to the fact as most people do not use them and wanted to use regular rockwool cubes as this is what most use and wanted to get results based on that. I took some cuts yesterday and day before. Domed them for 1 day, now just misting around 2-3 times a day at least with my solution and keeping cubes wet with my rooting solution. I will wait to post recipes now till end in case I do anymore tweaking. Fed yesterday So I will time the cuts I took then to ones I will take in 5-7 days when I can cut again after foliar spray on weekend.
 

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MrClone

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When I get to cloning in the future I hope I can work up to roots like that.

All starts with healthy mother plants. I can tell you how to get there if you want. Just hit me up when your ready and I will give you what no one else will . A full recipe for clones and moms. A-Z most of my moms have minimum 12.0 brix up to 17.3 in veg. Which is a pretty good zone to be in. Regular nutes and recomended dosages will never get you to that high of brix
 

MrClone

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When I get to cloning in the future I hope I can work up to roots like that.
Here are some pics of new rooted clones that I am not to happy with .. Is with a new recipe that I do not like at all. Not that much latteral growth, not as much mass, thick but not as t
Been using GH for a while decided to experiment with a different feed plan with the same 1-1-1 ratio for moms and recomended cutting feed from GH with Rapid start 2 tsp/g PH to 5.5-5.8. I have researched Dyna-Grow A LOT and decided to try it with my same feed ratio of about 1-1-1. Of course I had to modify some additives to achieve this. Mainly I am trying to get cuts to root faster. With healthy moms, I am trying to get full roots in 5 days regardless of strain. So far I have been able to get roots through cubes in massive amounts with old feed and recomended cutting feed from GH in my cloning machines/trays in roughly 6-7 days. Goal for me is to get it to 4-5 days. I have done this one time but forgot the feed because i did not write it down. It was one of those.. I wonder what would happen if I gave my moms this and put this in cloner and totally forgot what I put in it and at what ratio. Whatever it was I got roots and I mean nice roots in 3 days 21 and half hours. Roots were about 1/4 inch long at this time frame but not on all cuts just a couple out of 120 cuts.

For this I am going to cut my tops as they take longer to root as well as second cuts ( cutting another one below where I cut the tops ) as these cuts root faster. All top growth cuts no mid to lower cuts as lower cuts root faster and I am trying see what is going to make the longer rooting ones root faster. If I can cut down time on these then it should cut down time on my normal mid to lower branch cuts

Setup

Large moms are in pots with Sunshine mix #4
New strains ( seedlings and new growing ) 4x8 tray and 4x4 trays with coco mat and 1 bail Sunshine #4 per 4x4 2 per 4x8
Feeding once every 3 days

2x600 watt MH eye hortilux blue bulbs per 4x4 space on a light rail 5.0

Mom mix

Dyna grow Protekt 1/2 tsp/g
Dyna grow feed 1/2 tsp/g
Plus-C 2 tbs/g
Raw Phosphorus 1/8 tsp/g
Acadian Kelp Extract 1/4 tsp/g
Cal-Mag 1 tsp/g
Ph 5.8 ( 5.7-5.8 range )

Mom foliar at the moment is
Protekt, Superthrive, Acadian, yucca and neem ( neem for preventative maintenance daily to every other day if PM is present usually due to laziness and 2x a week if not present one being in weekly feed )

Once every 2-1/2 to 3 weeks
Triacontanol 0.95 ppm per/g with acadian PH'd to 8.0-8.3

Previous clone mix

Recommended dose of GH 1/4 tsp/g and 2 tsp per 5/g Rapid start
I was just being lazy due to amount of work I do and never got a real clone recipe till now because I got sick of waiting 6-8 days for roots to pop through cubes

Clone mix and setup

I stopped being lazy and cheap and added 2 3000 K bulbs per 4ft 8 bulb T5 and came up with a new clone feed out of the need to have faster rooting clones to keep up with business.

4 foot T5 8 bulb lights with 6, 6500 K bulbs and 2, 3000 K bulbs over each 120 site clone machine and 180 site or 5 trays max ( 2,1,2,1,2 bulb setup in T5's )

15 min Dip in Dyna grow KLN 1 tbs/g then dip in Root tech then into clone machines or cubes 100 ppm Raw Phosphorus 1/4 tsp/g Pro-Tekt 2 tsp/g Rapid start 1/8 tsp/g acadian kelp extract, 1/4 tsp/g Superthrive water temps kept at 70-72 degrees with water chillers.

After roots start to form
Ful-power at a 5:2 ratio with seaweed
Usually about 15 gallons in clone machine so I add the break down of
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora Micro,
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora grow,
3.125 tsp per 50/g Flora bloom
Comes out to about 0.9375 txp for each 15 gallon clone machine or 4.6 ml ( when I add the GH nutes the PPM's went up about 2.5 times the amount they would be at with just these nutes alone )
I was adding Rapid start at start of root formation but realized it better to add with pre root mix as I saw better results with faster root formation on stems

I will also be trying Dyna-Grow in place of GH as I saw faster root formation using Dyna instead of GH for clone mix feed ( ratio to be determined )

After i get my mix dialed in I will try a foliar on top of this
Started new mom feed on a couple strains today.
Purple haze
Chemdawg
Animal Cookies
Completely Changed my recipe since the roots I got were less than par for me. Here are some pics. Disappointing to say the least. Not as much latteral growth, Not as much growth all around. So threw that out starting over. Here are pics of the disappointments. Embarrassing as it is.
 

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All starts with healthy mother plants. I can tell you how to get there if you want. Just hit me up when your ready and I will give you what no one else will . A full recipe for clones and moms. A-Z most of my moms have minimum 12.0 brix up to 17.3 in veg. Which is a pretty good zone to be in. Regular nutes and recomended dosages will never get you to that high of brix
Currently looking for a more established feeding formula. Everything i have used so far has been inconsistent and i would like a recipe that is more promising/consistent.
 

MrClone

Active Member
Currently looking for a more established feeding formula. Everything i have used so far has been inconsistent and i would like a recipe that is more promising/consistent.
This recipe I had over 12 brix before I added the Amino Acids that increases brix more. Through research from growers in the netherlands.

Here is my recipe to give to you for free that I use for my mothers that is so great it made a stubborn old school grower switch his whole lineup

Now this is not accounting for more Phosphorus PPM if using a Phosphoric acid PH Down

New mix @ 1.20-1.14-1.14

Suoer THrive
.5
0
0
.25 tsp/g
NPK ppm
2
0
0

Foliage pro
9
3
6
.1875 tsp/g
NPK PPM
22
3
12

Cal-Mag
2
0
0
.5 tsp/g
NPK PPM
13
0
0

Amino Acid Raw
14
0
0
0.0625 tsp/g
NPK PPM
12
0
0

Raw Phosphorus
9
61
0
0.1875 tsp/g
NPK PPM
22
66
0

Acadian kelp Extract
.975
1.5
19.5
.25 tsp/g
NPK PPM
3
2
53

Plus-C
0
.5
.09
6 tsp/g
NPK PPM
0
17
6

Dyna-gro
7
9
5
.5 tsp/g
NPK PPM
46
26
27

Protekt
0
0
2
.5 tsp/g
NPK PPM
0
0
16
 
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MrClone

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Sorry . I totally messed up on the mix.. I am re doing it. Haha I don't know why I messed up so bad by copying and pasting but pasted the wrong thing. That is one I was messing around with. Plus I re did my entire mix due to Dyna not being good at all for me in soil
 

MrClone

Active Member
Been using GH for a while decided to experiment with a different feed plan with the same 1-1-1 ratio for moms and recomended cutting feed from GH with Rapid start 2 tsp/g PH to 5.5-5.8. I have researched Dyna-Grow A LOT and decided to try it with my same feed ratio of about 1-1-1. Of course I had to modify some additives to achieve this. Mainly I am trying to get cuts to root faster. With healthy moms, I am trying to get full roots in 5 days regardless of strain. So far I have been able to get roots through cubes in massive amounts with old feed and recomended cutting feed from GH in my cloning machines/trays in roughly 6-7 days. Goal for me is to get it to 4-5 days. I have done this one time but forgot the feed because i did not write it down. It was one of those.. I wonder what would happen if I gave my moms this and put this in cloner and totally forgot what I put in it and at what ratio. Whatever it was I got roots and I mean nice roots in 3 days 21 and half hours. Roots were about 1/4 inch long at this time frame but not on all cuts just a couple out of 120 cuts.

For this I am going to cut my tops as they take longer to root as well as second cuts ( cutting another one below where I cut the tops ) as these cuts root faster. All top growth cuts no mid to lower cuts as lower cuts root faster and I am trying see what is going to make the longer rooting ones root faster. If I can cut down time on these then it should cut down time on my normal mid to lower branch cuts

Setup

Large moms are in pots with Sunshine mix #4
New strains ( seedlings and new growing ) 4x8 tray and 4x4 trays with coco mat and 1 bail Sunshine #4 per 4x4 2 per 4x8
Feeding once every 3 days

2x600 watt MH eye hortilux blue bulbs per 4x4 space on a light rail 5.0

Mom mix

Dyna grow Protekt 1/2 tsp/g
Dyna grow feed 1/2 tsp/g
Plus-C 2 tbs/g
Raw Phosphorus 1/8 tsp/g
Acadian Kelp Extract 1/4 tsp/g
Cal-Mag 1 tsp/g
Ph 5.8 ( 5.7-5.8 range )

Mom foliar at the moment is
Protekt, Superthrive, Acadian, yucca and neem ( neem for preventative maintenance daily to every other day if PM is present usually due to laziness and 2x a week if not present one being in weekly feed )

Once every 2-1/2 to 3 weeks
Triacontanol 0.95 ppm per/g with acadian PH'd to 8.0-8.3

Previous clone mix

Recommended dose of GH 1/4 tsp/g and 2 tsp per 5/g Rapid start
I was just being lazy due to amount of work I do and never got a real clone recipe till now because I got sick of waiting 6-8 days for roots to pop through cubes

Clone mix and setup

I stopped being lazy and cheap and added 2 3000 K bulbs per 4ft 8 bulb T5 and came up with a new clone feed out of the need to have faster rooting clones to keep up with business.

4 foot T5 8 bulb lights with 6, 6500 K bulbs and 2, 3000 K bulbs over each 120 site clone machine and 180 site or 5 trays max ( 2,1,2,1,2 bulb setup in T5's )

15 min Dip in Dyna grow KLN 1 tbs/g then dip in Root tech then into clone machines or cubes 100 ppm Raw Phosphorus 1/4 tsp/g Pro-Tekt 2 tsp/g Rapid start 1/8 tsp/g acadian kelp extract, 1/4 tsp/g Superthrive water temps kept at 70-72 degrees with water chillers.

After roots start to form
Ful-power at a 5:2 ratio with seaweed
Usually about 15 gallons in clone machine so I add the break down of
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora Micro,
6.25 tsp per 50/g Flora grow,
3.125 tsp per 50/g Flora bloom
Comes out to about 0.9375 txp for each 15 gallon clone machine or 4.6 ml ( when I add the GH nutes the PPM's went up about 2.5 times the amount they would be at with just these nutes alone )
I was adding Rapid start at start of root formation but realized it better to add with pre root mix as I saw better results with faster root formation on stems

I will also be trying Dyna-Grow in place of GH as I saw faster root formation using Dyna instead of GH for clone mix feed ( ratio to be determined )

After i get my mix dialed in I will try a foliar on top of this
Started new mom feed on a couple strains today.
Purple haze
Chemdawg
Animal Cookies

Re doing the whole recipe.. I tried to go stupid and don't get me wrong it gave me results but.. Less is more.. Hah. I was stoned.. What you expect..

Anyways here are some pics of that recipe and the new one as far as results the first two pics are with the new recipe.. But as you can see.. there is not much lateral growth. I was not really happy with the results here. So I changed it up and the next pics are from new recipe. BUT I also changed my mother recipe on a few plants when i started this one.. So the new pics are with new recipe on moms. Which got my moms to 14.2 - 15.2 brix.. Also got roots faster by a 1/4 to 1/2 a day but still did not get the lateral growth I wanted. So next post will be with the next recipe in which I got the results I wanted.
 

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MrClone

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Currently looking for a more established feeding formula. Everything i have used so far has been inconsistent and i would like a recipe that is more promising/consistent.
Let me get through this and get everything on point and I will post mom feed and clone process. Ignore the recipe above cuz it is WAY off.. that was from notes on what everything ppm were and I am sure it may work but that is not what I meant to post
 

MrClone

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Ok so it looks like I am getting closer to where I want to be as far as lateral growth on new formula. Here is a new pic that I am pleased to say looks like I am going in the right direction. 6 days after cutting moms. Still not at the 5 day mark but I have shaved off 2 and half days on rooting time. Only issue now is the slight burn on the leaves if you can see in pic. Couple more things to dial in then I will be there!
 

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MrClone

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Offended I see? Well first off like I stated about you probably having a SMALL yield.. there is proof Look how small those buds They are almost done and they are small as SHIT. LOL you just made yourself look sto stupid.. Besides what looks like PM on one of the first two pics.. You just proved my point . ROFLMAO I get bigger buds off a 400w bulb. LMAO your to funny.. Prove how much of a idiot you are. LMAO.. SMALL THIN WEAK ROOTS.. lol probably takes about 2 weeks to root. weak ass roots left in water to long gonna have fun on transplant. ON TOP OF THAT EZ-CLONERS = NEWBIES BEST FRIEND. LMAO LMAO
 
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MrClone

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Anyone can clone in an EZ cloner machine.. I used that when I started off to.. Easier with 100% clone success.. now when you graduate from newbie school.. the big boys will show you whats really up
 

BobBitchen

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you may go farther here with a better attitude ..
n' honesty....

I'll go away now...you're not worth it...

good luck my friend
 
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MrClone

Active Member
you may go farther here with a better attitude ..
n' honesty....

I'll go away now...you're not worth it...

good luck my friend
Yea you are right.. I was having a horrible day .. was no reason to be a jerk to you .. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.. I apologize..
 

BobBitchen

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Yea you are right.. I was having a horrible day .. was no reason to be a jerk to you .. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong.. I apologize..
No problem bro..
I was also having a bad day.
Shoulda kept my mouth shut.
We're good.
 
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