Father arrested for child abuse and neglect for smoking with 17 year old son

the creator one of my favoriate stoner channels on youtube, massa cheifa http://www.youtube.com/user/MassaChiefa420, is now in jail for bullshit. link below is the news story on it. i want to know how you guys feel about smoking with your kids. i believe that once you start suspecting that your kid is smoking with friends (usually around age 15-16) its alright to smoke a blunt or hit the bong with your kid. i believe that it can keep your kid in line and also strengthen your bond. please watch the video from the link posted below and share your thoughts on it, also your thoughts about parents and teens smoking together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYWBS6nEjbM

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As much as I'd like to say this is stupid, well, he is a minor and they should have known better.
Plus the dad shouldn't have his kid smoking weed while his brain is still developing anyway, certainly not on camera and certainly not posted to the internet, and they say the kid hadn't even been in school since he was 15, the dad says he was home schooled but yea right.

I mean come on, this actually is going a bit too far.
If you are this dumb, and you do this to your kid, and post it online, you're about to get what you deserve.

What a bunch of bullshit. The kid is gonna smoke pot if he wants too, Why not under the supervision of his father in there own house? He could have been out with his friends hazing in a car just asking to get pulled over and go to jail. Granted posting the videos on youtube probably wasnt the smartest thing, But I still dont think child abuse and neglect charges are deserved.

some 17 year old's do worst than smoking pot these days .. oh and paraphernalia charges ??
If you can buy it and get a receipt, doesn't that make it legal ?

only detail is the 17 year old hasn't been in school the last 2 years .. why ??

I don't really think the dad did anything wrong, because the kid probably smoked before, but he was retarded to do it on camera. I mean while there shouldn't have been any legal intervention, it's going to happen either way. Its kinda like not getting out of the way of a tornado. What did he really expect to happen?

^ 7 minute apart double post? lol kinda random.

bongs, bowls, etc. are meant to be used for smoking tobacco only. im sure they found weed in the house so they basicaslly automadically change him for paraphernalia. the kid may not have been in school for the past 2 years, but if you watch some of their videos, they look like nice simple people, not criminals. they treat it as is the father has been poisoning his son with something toxic and thats what upsets me. its just weed and i bet the kid discovered it on his own with friends from school. by smoking with his father, i believe that greatly lowers his chances of becoming somewhat currupt due to the frequent use of marijuana.

damn thats sucks but come the fuck on WHY ARE YOU SMOKEING ON CAMRA man thats just silly

PussymOneyWeed said:

^ 7 minute apart double post? lol kinda random.

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Aw shit. Lol.

I clicked the post quick reply then the go advanced button and I spellchecked it. Didn't notice that the first one was posted.

OregonMeds said:

As much as I'd like to say this is stupid, well, he is a minor and they should have known better.
Plus the dad shouldn't have his kid smoking weed while his brain is still developing anyway, certainly not on camera and certainly not posted to the internet, and they say the kid hadn't even been in school since he was 15, the dad says he was home schooled but yea right.

I mean come on, this actually is going a bit too far.
If you are this dumb, and you do this to your kid, and post it online, you're about to get what you deserve.

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Ive been VERY interested in learning about this. Ive searched and searched, cant find a SINGLE bit of fact. All i need is that one piece of actual evidence. PLEASE tell me you know this to be true...

OR is it just how it is..because the government told you that?

I want to know the truth...Im not interested in a forum post of a guy who told you...Im talking true fact..we should be able to see the results if its true...how is scientific fact confidential anyways, if its true fact we will definitely 100% get the same data if we perform the same tests so theres no reason to hide it from us...

If there was ANY proof it caused harm it would be all over the place, the PROVEN harms of every other drug are pretty well known...they didnt hide those...they would only hide the results if the results DIDNT go along with what they wanted. Sorry but if they had proof that smoking weed definitely caused harm, it would be plastered everywhere...they WANT us to stop remember...

I honestly am not starting shit...I have a child on the way, and I want to know just hoe vigilant I really need to be here...If theres an honest to god scientific fact sheet I will definitely listen...but if yo have no proof of this, or the facts you have found aren't legitimate then I'm gonna have to call BS. Remember, some guy on a forum is not good enough, real FACTS come with real EVIDENCE. That evidence should be on the screen, on the same page, and referred to throughout the paper.

Remember fact means REPRODUCIBLE RESULTS EVERY TIME...1 kid out of 100000000 having impaired learning when he had a cone when he was 13 isnt evidence..how do we know he didnt pop pills or snort a line too?

prot

- Theres too much repeating of crap data going on...the problem is someone will read your post, then re-write that opinion on another post as fact (you probably did this!), then someone else comes along and sees your old post, then the other guys new one...thats 2 people saying its true...so he believes and spreads it too...then someone tells him hes talking shit, but he knows its true only one person said hes talking crap, 2 said he was right..so he will go ahead and google search for "pot retards developing brains" and copy paste...now someone else comes along, sees that dude get owned, doesnt read the link so he never knew that link was just a blog of a dude who read one of these same posts...

as u see, it becomes the blind leading the blind. If something is true, you will get the SAME result EVERY time..if you arent getting the same results, you arent controlling enough variables, or your hypothesis is wrong...obviously you cant call this fact until you fix it...

Yeah it's morally wrong for him to be jailed for child abuse and neglect. And so is people going to jail for smoking weed. But the guy is smoking with his kid... in a video... that was publicly posted... on youtube????


He was kinda asking for it

Yeah he didn't deserve those punishments at all, its better if a kid is smoking under parental supervision then out trying to hide it, and when they hide it it creates a problem in the relationship, and some kids take it too far cause they feel like they need to hide everything and the compliments their parents give them are only for who their parents think they are not who they are, so they always feel like less of a person. You wouldn't think that thats very popular but you'd be surprised what kids are like in high school nowadays some are just different

proof isnt avaible because it would be nearly impossible for a lab to get clearence to do a study on the effects of frequent marijuana use an a developing brain.

Prot3us1` said:

Ive been VERY interested in learning about this. Ive searched and searched, cant find a SINGLE bit of fact. All i need is that one piece of actual evidence. PLEASE tell me you know this to be true...

OR is it just how it is..because the government told you that?

I want to know the truth...Im not interested in a forum post of a guy who told you...Im talking true fact..we should be able to see the results if its true...how is scientific fact confidential anyways, if its true fact we will definitely 100% get the same data if we perform the same tests so theres no reason to hide it from us...

If there was ANY proof it caused harm it would be all over the place, the PROVEN harms of every other drug are pretty well known...they didnt hide those...they would only hide the results if the results DIDNT go along with what they wanted. Sorry but if they had proof that smoking weed definitely caused harm, it would be plastered everywhere...they WANT us to stop remember...

I honestly am not starting shit...I have a child on the way, and I want to know just hoe vigilant I really need to be here...If theres an honest to god scientific fact sheet I will definitely listen...but if yo have no proof of this, or the facts you have found aren't legitimate then I'm gonna have to call BS. Remember, some guy on a forum is not good enough, real FACTS come with real EVIDENCE. That evidence should be on the screen, on the same page, and referred to throughout the paper.

Remember fact means REPRODUCIBLE RESULTS EVERY TIME...1 kid out of 100000000 having impaired learning when he had a cone when he was 13 isnt evidence..how do we know he didnt pop pills or snort a line too?

prot

- Theres too much repeating of crap data going on...the problem is someone will read your post, then re-write that opinion on another post as fact (you probably did this!), then someone else comes along and sees your old post, then the other guys new one...thats 2 people saying its true...so he believes and spreads it too...then someone tells him hes talking shit, but he knows its true only one person said hes talking crap, 2 said he was right..so he will go ahead and google search for "pot retards developing brains" and copy paste...now someone else comes along, sees that dude get owned, doesnt read the link so he never knew that link was just a blog of a dude who read one of these same posts...

as u see, it becomes the blind leading the blind. If something is true, you will get the SAME result EVERY time..if you arent getting the same results, you arent controlling enough variables, or your hypothesis is wrong...obviously you cant call this fact until you fix it...

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proof isnt avaible because it would be nearly impossible for a lab to get clearence to do a study on the effects of frequent marijuana use an a developing brain.

jhopkins34 said:

Yeah he didn't deserve those punishments at all, its better if a kid is smoking under parental supervision then out trying to hide it, and when they hide it it creates a problem in the relationship, and some kids take it too far cause they feel like they need to hide everything and the compliments their parents give them are only for who their parents think they are not who they are, so they always feel like less of a person. You wouldn't think that thats very popular but you'd be surprised what kids are like in high school nowadays some are just different

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thats how shit was with me when i was in highschool. i had to hide it from my parents. i had already been smoking nearly daily for 2 years before i got caught and they were so shocked becuase i was an A/B student. they had the mentality that pot made you a bad kid and you would start skipping school and failing. but to be honesnt, the main reason why i kept my education first is because i didnt want my parents to find out, i was terrified. they tried to make me quit and school was so much harder without being able to hit the bowl when i got home. i was under major stress, my grades slipped. it was then my mom fianlly realized that pot was helping me instead of "ruining my future"

Prot3us1` said:

Ive been VERY interested in learning about this. Ive searched and searched, cant find a SINGLE bit of fact. All i need is that one piece of actual evidence. PLEASE tell me you know this to be true...

OR is it just how it is..because the government told you that?

I want to know the truth...Im not interested in a forum post of a guy who told you...Im talking true fact..we should be able to see the results if its true...how is scientific fact confidential anyways, if its true fact we will definitely 100% get the same data if we perform the same tests so theres no reason to hide it from us...

If there was ANY proof it caused harm it would be all over the place, the PROVEN harms of every other drug are pretty well known...they didnt hide those...they would only hide the results if the results DIDNT go along with what they wanted. Sorry but if they had proof that smoking weed definitely caused harm, it would be plastered everywhere...they WANT us to stop remember...

I honestly am not starting shit...I have a child on the way, and I want to know just hoe vigilant I really need to be here...If theres an honest to god scientific fact sheet I will definitely listen...but if yo have no proof of this, or the facts you have found aren't legitimate then I'm gonna have to call BS. Remember, some guy on a forum is not good enough, real FACTS come with real EVIDENCE. That evidence should be on the screen, on the same page, and referred to throughout the paper.

Remember fact means REPRODUCIBLE RESULTS EVERY TIME...1 kid out of 100000000 having impaired learning when he had a cone when he was 13 isnt evidence..how do we know he didnt pop pills or snort a line too?

prot

- Theres too much repeating of crap data going on...the problem is someone will read your post, then re-write that opinion on another post as fact (you probably did this!), then someone else comes along and sees your old post, then the other guys new one...thats 2 people saying its true...so he believes and spreads it too...then someone tells him hes talking shit, but he knows its true only one person said hes talking crap, 2 said he was right..so he will go ahead and google search for "pot retards developing brains" and copy paste...now someone else comes along, sees that dude get owned, doesnt read the link so he never knew that link was just a blog of a dude who read one of these same posts...

as u see, it becomes the blind leading the blind. If something is true, you will get the SAME result EVERY time..if you arent getting the same results, you arent controlling enough variables, or your hypothesis is wrong...obviously you cant call this fact until you fix it...

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I am only going off of experiences I've read with others over 20 years of being on several pot related boards. There is no actual data and I don't spread government misinformation.

I personally think those that have mental related problems from abusing drugs, any drugs at an early age relate just as much and in pots case probably completely on the fact that serious abusers miss out on socialization skills and other coping skills people need in life etc etc you get my point. Not actual brain damage like other drugs can do, though there may be atrophy to some degree which is probably completely reversible. Your brain needs exercise just like a muscle, seriously no joke.

I also think it may have negative effects for those with some underlying mental problems where pot brings them to the surface after prolonged abuse as would any other drug.

The worst thing though is a kid needs to _not_ be dumb as fuck to survive in this world. Lets face it, some people just don't put effort into learning or anything when they use or abuse drugs. This kid is a perfect example, what the hell is he going to do later in life with no education since age 15? Gee thanks dad.

What is using vs abusing I leave up to you, if it interferes with what you would have done otherwise, then to me that's abuse.

This dad didn't just smoke up with his son a couple times or occasionally or just to introduce the kid to drugs in a responsible way either.

Even if the kid is totally fine socially and mentally it does negatively affect some that way and even still without any of those problems this kid is still set up for trouble in life, big trouble.


Take it with a grain of salt but I think I'm right for what it's worth.

Nothing wrong with smoking weed with your 17 year old, AT ALL. But don't all of us know that if you're doing anything illegal, DON'T POST IT ON THE INTERNET WITH IDENTIFIABLE PICTURES. or videos for this matter.

A lot of people get busted on myspace for gang enhancements, drugs, weapons, etc. People are that stupid.

It still sucks he went to jail for it and it's stupid that they spent the time and resources to go through with it, but shit happens. You have to be smarter than the piggies. OINK OINK They get smarter by the day

OregonMeds said:

I am only going off of experiences I've read with others over 20 years of being on several pot related boards. There is no actual data and I don't spread government misinformation.

I personally think those that have mental related problems from abusing drugs, any drugs at an early age relate just as much and in pots case probably completely on the fact that serious abusers miss out on socialization skills and other coping skills people need in life etc etc you get my point. Not actual brain damage like other drugs can do, though there may be atrophy to some degree which is probably completely reversible. Your brain needs exercise just like a muscle, seriously no joke.

I also think it may have negative effects for those with some underlying mental problems where pot brings them to the surface after prolonged abuse as would any other drug.

The worst thing though is a kid needs to _not_ be dumb as fuck to survive in this world. Lets face it, some people just don't put effort into learning or anything when they use or abuse drugs. This kid is a perfect example, what the hell is he going to do later in life with no education since age 15? Gee thanks dad.

What is using vs abusing I leave up to you, if it interferes with what you would have done otherwise, then to me that's abuse.

This dad didn't just smoke up with his son a couple times or occasionally or just to introduce the kid to drugs in a responsible way either.

Even if the kid is totally fine socially and mentally it does negatively affect some that way and even still without any of those problems this kid is still set up for trouble in life, big trouble.


Take it with a grain of salt but I think I'm right for what it's worth.

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The negative effects of drug abuse are the same then, for developing children as they are for everyone else.

The father was HOPEFULLY taking his kid away from teenagers who would have him smoke excessive amounts and then do stupid things..and putting him in a safe house.
If the father was ALLOWING the child to abuse the drug then sure I think this is DEAD on what should have happened..

But what if the dad sat down for a bowl each night before bed or something..and spoke with his son about problems in his life, explained how weed was an ok thing to have occasionally..or even regularly as a night cap...but it shouldnt be abused..it shouldnt be something used all day every day..

There may not be scientific evidence about weeds effects on the developing brain...but there are plenty of surveys that indicate children brought up in houses who prohibit alcohol consumption on premises are more likely to binge outside of the house and hide it. - thats abuse. Thats gonna mess the kid up..teaching him its ok to binge, and you know what stupid shit drunk kids in group get up to....you cant tell me weed will have more negative effects than alcohol...and what about the mental effect of seeing his father incarcerated...

Those of you who seem to have an idea that i dont agree with this punishment are wrong...I agree with everyone else...if you want to smoke joints on the front doorstep of the local police station you are gonna get arrested....

If you wana put pics and videos on a site like youtube, expect to be caught...youtube require very litle persuasion to pass along your personal details to police..rollitup (i hope) would refuse to give out any info without the proper documents being in perfect order, and still i would hope he tried to keep us safe!

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Anyways, so I agree abuse will definitely be bad. They test drugs on adolescent mice to see if it affects development...research companies can also do a paid blind survey where people of all ages are paid a small amount ($20 or so) to fill out a "Census" with regards to drug use. Between the animal testing and the research data, they could easily build a case study on average age of use, average intelligence of users v non users v age, key development cues (did they hit puberty on time etc).
Saying they cant test easily is the blind leading the blind i was talking about...dont spread a "fact" you dont personally know is true!

Thank you guys, for trying though..+rep for you both...you honestly made good points in theory..

And I am COMPLETELY against allowing your kids to abuse drugs...but i am FOR teaching them the truth, and hopefully responsible behavior. At the end of the day, do you think that kid stopped smoking weed now? Did the big bad police really "teach him a lesson" or "give him what he deserved"...All they did was take his dad away, and take income away from the family.

Its not WRONG for the dad to do this, but it IS ILLEGAL. Distort your face so there is "plausible deniability".

prot

Just to point out - Im not talking about this father...i could care less..he was dumb...I mean in MY house, with MY child...am I hurting them by allowing it in my house, the reason i want to do this is to teach responsibility...that you can enjoy marijuana without smoking it ALL day EVERY day...its clear as day, pretending weed doesnt exist isnt going to teach my child anything...

I see it like pocket money...giving a small amount of money, along with a small amount of responsibility at a younger age (16+ for weed is MY opinion, but adjust for your own family) will teach that child that if they spend it all on day 1 they ave nothing for the rest of the week...this helps them manage money later in life...
So then i believe allowing, never offering..NEVER will i ask my child to join me...I just mean if my child came to me and said hey dad would you like to have a cone or 2..I would...it would offer a fantastic opportunity for open discussion and bonding.
Ya, so allowing your child to smoke a few cones, in the safety and privacy of the agreed upon area of the house...then they go have a nap in the living room or veg out and watch some tv...as long as you dont allow this to become an every day thing i think its a fantastic learning tool. You can smoke weed on the weekends, and still live a normal active life the rest of the week...

For everyones info:
My mother smoked heavily while pregnant with me..I have no disorders and while I dont like to brag, I consider myself quite intelligent. My mother never hid smoking weed from me while i grew up but always blew smoke away from me, and answered any question i had honestly...

I didnt even try weed the first time till i was 22. Im 24 now.

But i knew inside, (my mum passed a few yrs before i tried it) that if i ever asked (after i was about 15) she would have loaded me one, and helped me smoke it...this knowledge ALONE is why i never tried weed..I had no interest in coughing my guts up end looking like a noob in front of the cool kids when i could do it at home...I often asked mum what she felt...to describe how she felt stoned...her answers were honest and were enough to kill my curiosity.

I ended up trying it because one of my non smoking friends was too pussy to do it by himself and he begged me...I saw it as no real biggie...I had nothing against it I just didnt care to do it...
He lost control real fast. He was brought up in a home where weed was enough to get you kicked out..his parents would call the cops on him...He buys an oz a week now...and he smoked his first cone about 30 seconds before me. He was like a pitbull, once he had his teeth in it there was no stopping him...myself...I admit i smoke regularly now..but with respect...not with abandonment...when i see him i picture y mum saying "dont go crazy with it and let it control your life" and stuff like that...this is the guidance he needed..he had no idea he had to keep an eye on it and now he just doesnt want to slow down.

so ya - this guy was just getting baked with his kid...Im not trying to say i am doing it for spiritual reasons...im not gonna get him stoned then drone on about rules and crap (although it would make him not want to get stoned lol)..but i will use the time to get closer and teach a little..then have some father and son fun! play some ball or watch a movie!

Just wanted you all to know i was asking for my own info, not to get you to say he did the right thing! He wasnt careful and he paid the price..it fucking sucks but its how it is now !

prot

I dont think a 17 yearold in a house with that many pipes and bongs and shit was introduced to weed outside the home. These were displayed on shelfs in the house like trophies it said. My money says this kid smoked with Dad and brother for the first time b4 12 years old. Its obviously fucking illegal where the dude came from even if he DIDNT know the videos went on youtube why the hell is a camera running? did he bring one when he bought the weed too? 17 year old thats already smoking ehh yeah hes gonna smoke anyways but i dont think he was introduced to it outside the home, nor at 17.

and as far as everyone elses post that that was more than 3 paragraphs im to lazy to read that long of a post and there are ALOT of long ones lol