Female Noob here. Have a ? about humidity!

MTgirl

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Hi all, I have a ? about my humidity in my ~5 x 8 x 78"H room. Heard 60-65% rH is ideal during veg...and as low as 30-40% rH to flower. In seedling/veg stage...what would happen, if anything, if humidity was maintained at about 40-47%? Is that really too low? I am running temps at about 82-84 degrees with 8 4ft T5's on and about 72-75 degrees with lights off. I have an automatic humidifier, which is set to give off 58% rH, but the room never seems to get over 47%.

Thanks everyone ;-)
 

drgreentm

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Hi all, I have a ? about my humidity in my ~5 x 8 x 78"H room. Heard 60-65% rH is ideal during veg...and as low as 30-40% rH to flower. In seedling/veg stage...what would happen, if anything, if humidity was maintained at about 40-47%? Is that really too low? I am running temps at about 82-84 degrees with 8 4ft T5's on and about 72-75 degrees with lights off. I have an automatic humidifier, which is set to give off 58% rH, but the room never seems to get over 47%.

Thanks everyone ;-)
all those figure's are IDEAL not mandatory my room stays at 23% rh and my plants take off just fine i like to keep seedlings in a humidome for a few weeks to get them strong then pull them in my room under my lights. i just use ph'd water and mist them down once or twice a day and with no problems. hope this helps and happy growing.
 

jungobo

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40-47% humidity is fine enough, maybe its not perfect but its pretty close to that.
as a noob, don't search for the perfect conditions, you don't need to go there.
weed is a very strong plant, don't worry, your temps and humidity levels are great.
 

smallclosetgrowr

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anywhere from 20-80% is fine for veg, once your flowering tho u dont want anything over 70%.obviously the lesss humidity whilst flowering the less chance u have off bud rot,mould etc..
 
Hi all, I have a ? about my humidity in my ~5 x 8 x 78"H room. Heard 60-65% rH is ideal during veg...and as low as 30-40% rH to flower. In seedling/veg stage...what would happen, if anything, if humidity was maintained at about 40-47%? Is that really too low? I am running temps at about 82-84 degrees with 8 4ft T5's on and about 72-75 degrees with lights off. I have an automatic humidifier, which is set to give off 58% rH, but the room never seems to get over 47%.

Thanks everyone ;-)
I think they already answered your question about the humidy. I just wanted to add one thing to this post that will help you out I think. Being new to this buisness don't get to wrapped up in the things like humidity. As long as you are comfortable in the room the plants will be too. The plants transpire water into the air making it more humid so your low humidity won't be a problem. What you need to be focused on is the basics. Food, water and air. Get those sorted out to where you know they are the best for your plant then start worrying about the minor things. Good luck. Hit me up anytime with a question if you want. I am fairly new myself, but i have learned a lot..
 

riddleme

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I think they already answered your question about the humidy. I just wanted to add one thing to this post that will help you out I think. Being new to this buisness don't get to wrapped up in the things like humidity. As long as you are comfortable in the room the plants will be too. The plants transpire water into the air making it more humid so your low humidity won't be a problem. What you need to be focused on is the basics. Food, water and air. Get those sorted out to where you know they are the best for your plant then start worrying about the minor things. Good luck. Hit me up anytime with a question if you want. I am fairly new myself, but i have learned a lot..
Why would you give this advice? there is no minor consideration when dialing in your garden, it is the sum of ALL PARTS that define a good grow, will her plants die with her current temp/humidity combo,,,,,,NO, will her potential yields be affected,,,,,,YES by 20 to 50%
The conditions whereby plants transpire without stress are VERY important, seriously how many post are there everyday with heat/moisture stress problems. because folks concentrate on the wrong elements in the wrong way due to misinformation on the internet???

MTgirl PM me anytime
 

frmrboi

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, but the room never seems to get over 47%.
that's fine, anything over 70 % is detrimental as transpiration is hindered severely. Low humidity is not a big deal you just have to water more often. Think of what the humidity would be like in Afghanistan in the summer, cannabis thrives there.
 

genuity

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Hi all, I have a ? about my humidity in my ~5 x 8 x 78"H room. Heard 60-65% rH is ideal during veg...and as low as 30-40% rH to flower. In seedling/veg stage...what would happen, if anything, if humidity was maintained at about 40-47%? Is that really too low? I am running temps at about 82-84 degrees with 8 4ft T5's on and about 72-75 degrees with lights off. I have an automatic humidifier, which is set to give off 58% rH, but the room never seems to get over 47%.

Thanks everyone ;-)
as long as u feel good in your room,your plants will feel good..
 

Medi 1

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im with riddleme..some funny advice in here...having high humidity is fine in veg to a point., 55 to 70 is ok in veg and 45 to 55 in flower...the others are to low andf wont transpire properly. food is last on the list of importance iof things to worry about. the room conditions are #1.

47 is not ok. irts not bad for flower but not for veg. the growth and food priocessing will be better at the right humnidity....and keep it somewhat steady to. dont want to be going up n down all the time more than 10% may cause powdery mildew
 

Medi 1

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a pdf is a book????...what is vapour pressure deficit then since your a wlth of knowledge
 

Medi 1

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maybe some may learn a thing or 2 here..


Humidity and Vapor Pressure Deficit

Have you ever been given this odd-sounding advice? Even when we are encouraged to try and understand how plants work, our inherent tendency to personify the natural world is inescapable. Growers often like to draw parallels between humans and plants, after all, there’s no doubt that plants are marvelous, highly specialized and well-adapted organisms. You might even go as far to say they are “intelligent.” But let’s be honest here. Plants are totally different from us, especially in the way they react and respond to their environment. However, if we can get our heads around the world from a plant’s perspective, we become what is commonly referred to as “green-fingered.” We become … better growers.
Have you ever wondered how plants “feel” humidity? An understanding of what humidity is, what it means to plants, and how you can manage it in your indoor garden will help you and your plants stay happy all year round.
The humidity of the air is basically the amount of water in the air. Water can only truly stay in the air when it is the invisible gas – water vapor. Small droplets of water in air, such as fog or mist, are not water vapor; they are simply larger particles of water temporarily suspended in the air that are ready to be turned into water vapor by evaporation.
Temperature plays an important role when it comes to humidity. The warmer the air, the more water vapor it can hold. This means the maximum amount of water that air can hold is directly related to the temperature of the air. As the amount of water air can hold constantly changes with temperature it is difficult to pin an absolute or fixed amount of water that can be held by air. So what’s the best way to quantify humidity if the goal posts are changing all the time? The answer is something called Relative Humidity (RH) – this is a measure in terms of percentage, of the water vapor in the air compared to the total amount of water vapor that the air could potentially hold at a given temperature.
Why is RH so important?

As growers we measure the RH of our gardens using digital or analogue hygrometers. These readings are very important because RH has a direct effect on the plant’s ability to transpire and therefore grow. Generally, plants do not like to lose lots of water through transpiration. Plants have some degree of control of their rate of transpiration through management of their stomata but the general rule is the drier the air, the more plants will transpire.
Now let’s move on to the idea of “pressure” – this is an important concept to grasp when it comes to understanding a plant’s response to humidity. All gasses in the air exert a pressure. The more water vapor in the air the greater the vapor pressure. This means that in high RH conditions there is a greater vapor pressure being exerted on plants than in low RH conditions. High vapor pressure can be thought of as a force in the air pushing on the plants from all directions. This pressure is exerted onto the leaves by the high concentration of water vapor in the air making it harder for the plant to ‘push back’ by losing water into the air by transpiration. This is why with high RH plants transpire less. Conversely, in environments with low RH, only a small amount of pressure is exerted on the plants’ leaves, making it easy for them to lose water into the air.
What is Vapor Pressure Deficit (VPD)?

VPD can be defined as the difference (or deficit) between the pressure exerted by water vapor that could be held in saturated air (100% RH) and the pressure exerted by the water vapor that is actually held in the air being measured.
The VPD is currently regarded of how plants really ‘feel’ and react to the humidity in the growing environment. From a plant’s perspective the VPD is the difference between the vapor pressure inside the leaf compared to the vapor pressure of the air. If we look at it with an RH hat on; the water in the leaf and the water and air mixture leaving the stomata is (more often than not) completely saturated -100% RH. If the air outside the leaf is less than 100% RH there is potential for water vapor to enter the air because gasses and liquids like to move from areas of high concentration (in this example the leaf) into areas of lower concentration (the air). So, in terms of growing plants, the VPD can be thought of as the shortage of vapor pressure in the air compared to within the leaf itself.
Another way of thinking about VPD is the atmospheric demand for water or the ‘drying power’ of the air. VPD is usually measured in pressure units, most commonly millibars or kilopascals, and is essentially a combination of temperature and relative humidity in a single value. VPD values run in the opposite way to RH vales, so when RH is high VPD is low. The higher the VPD value, the greater the potential the air has for sucking moisture out of the plant.
As mentioned above, VPD provides a more accurate picture of how plants feel their environment in relation to temperature and humidity which gives us growers a better platform for environmental control. The only problem with VPD is it’s difficult to determine accurately because you need to know the leaf temperature. This is quite a complex issue as leaf temperature can vary from leaf to leaf depending on many factors such as if a leaf is in direct light, partial shade or full shade. The most practical approach that most environmental control companies use to assess VPD is to take measurements of air temperature within the crop canopy. For humidity control purposes it’s not necessary to measure the actual leaf VPD to within strict guidelines, what we want is to gain insight into is how the current temperature and humidity surrounding the crop is affecting the plants. A well positioned sensor measuring the air temperature and humidity close to, or just below, the crop canopy is adequate for providing a good indication of actual leaf conditions.
Managing Humidity

Managing the humidity in your indoor garden is essential to keep plants happy and transpiring at a healthy rate. Transpiration is very important for healthy plant growth because the evaporation of water vapor from the leaf into the air actively cools the leaf tissue. The temperature of a healthy transpiring leaf can be up to 2-6°C lower than a non-transpiring leaf, this may seem like a big temperature difference but to put it into perspective around 90% of a healthy plant’s water uptake is transpired while only around 10% is used for growth. This shows just how important it is to try and control your plants environment to encourage healthy transpiration and therefore healthy growth.
So what should you aim to keep your humidity at? Many growers say a RH of 70% is good for vegetative growth and 50% is good for generative (fruiting /flowering) growth. This advice can be followed with some degree of success but it’s not the whole story as it fails to take into account the air temperature.
Humidification systems to increase RH.

Table 1 shows the VPD in millibars at various air temperatures and relative humidity. Most cultivated plants grow well at VPDs between 8 and 10, so this is the green shaded area. Please note that the ideal VPD range varies for different types of plants and the stage of growth. The blue shaded are on the right indicates humidification is needed where the red shaded area on the left indicates dehumidification is needed.

By looking at this example we can see that at 70% RH the temperate should be between 72-79°F (22-26°C) to maintain healthy VPDs. If your growing environment runs on the warm side during summer, like many indoor growers, a RH of 75% should be maintained for temperatures between 79-84°F (26-29°C.)
The problem with running a high relative humidity when growing indoors it that fungal diseases can become an issue and carbon filters become less effective. It is commonly stated that above 60% RH the absorption efficiency drops and above 85% most carbon filters will stop working altogether. For this reason it is good practice to run your RH between 60-70% with the upper temperature limit depending on your crop’s ideal VPD range, in the example it would be 64-79°F (18-26°C.)
The table also shows that if your temperature is above 72°F (22°C), 50% RH becomes critically low and should generally be avoided to minimize plant stress.
Please understand that by presenting this information we do not want you to go to your indoor gardens and run your growing environment to within strict VPD values. What’s important to take from this is that VPD can help you provide a better indication of how much moisture the air wants to pull from your plants than RH can.
If you want to work out for yourself the VPD of your plants leaves you can follow the steps below:
  1. Measure the leaf temperature and look up the vapor pressure at 100% RH on table 2 below.
  2. Measure the air temperature and relative humidity and look up the nearest vapor pressure figure on table 2.
  3. Subtract the air vapor pressure from the leaf vapor pressure
Example:
Leaf Temperature = 24°C (100% RH) Leaf VP: 29.8
Air Temperature = 25°C @ 60% RH Air VP: 19.0
VPD= 10.8




Humidity’s Effect on Plants

Plants cope with changing humidity by adjusting the stomata on the leaves. Stomata open wider as VPD decreases (high RH) and they begin to close as VPD increases (low RH). Stomata begin to close in response to low RH to prevent excessive water loss and eventually wilting but this closure also affects the rate of photosynthesis because CO2 is absorbed through the stomata openings. Consistently low RH will often cause very slow growth or even stunting. Humidity therefore indirectly affects the rate of photosynthesis so at higher humidity levels the stomata are open allowing co2 to be absorbed.
Leaf roll on Thai basil- Localized humidity stress causes by the lights being too close.

When humidity gets too low plants will really struggle to grow. In response to high VPD plants will try to stop the excessive water loss from their leaves by trying to avoid light hitting the surface of the leaf. They do this by rolling the leaf inwards from the margins to form tube like structures in an attempt to expose less of the leaf surface to the light, as shown in the photo.
For most plants, growth tends to be improved at high RH but excessive humidity can also encourage some unfavorable growth attributes. Low VPD causes low transpiration which limits the transport of minerals, particularly calcium as it moves in the transpiration stream of the plant – the xylem. If VPD is very low (95-100% RH) and the plants are unable to transpire any water into the air, pressure within the plant starts to build up. When this is coupled with a wet root zone, which creates high root pressure, it combines to create excessive pressure within the plant which can lead to water being forced out of leaves at their edges in a process called guttation. Some plants have modified stomata at their leaf edges called hydathodes which are specially adapted to allow guttation to occur. Guttation can be spotted when the edges of leaves have small water droplets on, most evident in early morning or just after the lights have come on. If you see leaves that appear burnt at the edges or have white crystalline circular deposits at the edges it could be evidence that guttation has occurred.
Guttation on tomato plants caused by high RH and wet coco coir.

Powdery Mildew from poor humidity control.

Most growers are well aware that with high humidity comes and increased risk of fungal diseases. Water droplets can form on leaves when water vapor condenses out of the air as temperature drops, providing the perfect breeding ground for diseases like botrytis and powdery mildew. If humidity remains high it further promotes the growth of fungal diseases. The water droplet exuded through guttation also creates the perfect environment for fungal spores to germinate inviting disease to take hold.

Quick reference chart:
Low VPD / High RH ....................High VPD / Low RH
Mineral deficiencies................... .Wilting
Guttation................................ .Leaf roll
Disease ...................................Stunted plants
Soft growth ............................ Leathery /crispy leaves

So hopefully now you are not just ‘thinking like a plant’ – you’re ‘feeling it’ too!

source: urban garden​

 

defcomexperiment

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all those figure's are IDEAL not mandatory my room stays at 23% rh and my plants take off just fine i like to keep seedlings in a humidome for a few weeks to get them strong then pull them in my room under my lights. i just use ph'd water and mist them down once or twice a day and with no problems. hope this helps and happy growing.
i clone @25%-30% in the winter, and dont even bother with a humidity dome, because its dry as fuck at my place. i still get roots popping within 4-5 days, and all i do is mist my clones lightly twice a day the first two days. nothing special, and my clones show vigor because of it.


edited to add:
i never let my humidity get above 45% for any reason. (i should clarify as well, this is only in flower, and that is because i run a scrog, and dont want to get pockets of moisture trapped and develop an issue.
 

Medi 1

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oh please..its so lonley here....cant keep up so you get personal i see..another riu kid...actualy was showing that you know nothing to be honest
 

riddleme

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there is no substitute for experience, I have enough that I know what's going on, save your books for the guillable newbies.
yeah my 30+ years of growing doesn't count as experience

The new growers here deserve to be told the truth about plant processes and botany, forum hype does not a great garden make
 

jungobo

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will her potential yields be affected,,,,,,YES by 20 to 50%
With all the respect, i seriously doubt that the difference between 45% to 60 % humidity would be 20-50% in yield, actually i doubt that it will be even 5% difference.
 

riddleme

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With all the respect, i seriously doubt that the difference between 45% to 60 % humidity would be 20-50% in yield, actually i doubt that it will be even 5% difference.
the consideration is not simply the humidity, it is the combination of temp vs humidity, the interaction of temp & humidity greatly affect plant processes, most folks take this for granted
 
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