MidAmber
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Female seeds Cinderella 99 (c99)
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Kush70
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ma jigga
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You never know. It's just sketchy looking and it's my preference to have nothing to do with them. If you took the time to sign up, at least take the time to post around instead of creep around for 3 years.why because of the lack of posts? lol
ok i guess.....
Thedillestpickle
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hahah yea don't be so paranoid
Maybe he only signs in every 5 months when he gets bored or something
Personally I doubt I will be signing in nearly as often once I get more comfortable with growing. Right now I have endless questions to have answered and I'm always reading upi trying to learn. Eventually there will be no need to sign in/post anymore. Maybe he's already there?
Anyways
Ma Jigga you should check out my last couple posts on OldLuck's thread where I describe what I have found to be the easiest method of cloning. I will have to do a few more runs at it before declaring it the all time best/easiest method but... it seems to be sooo much easier better than other methods so far. The big advantage is that you can use quite large cutting and don't have to trim them down at all. I think the H2O2 helps add some security to the whole process as well.
I don't know if I explain it fully in his thread but basically a 10 inch cutting gets popped into a popcan filled with water/mild nutrient/H2O2. I dab the tip of the cutting in rooting gel for what it's worth. Let that cutting chill out in a less bright part of your veg room and check on it in a week or so for nubs forming on the stem. Soon as your stem starts looking wrinkly and nubby and white like it's going to pop roots then you shove it 4 inches deep into a 16 ounce beercup filled with soil or coco and bam! sooooo easy!
You don't need to spray the cutting, put a dome over it or scuff the stem. And you don't need to water it during that first week or so. You really don't need to do anything for that first week other than give it some room in your vegspace
Maybe he only signs in every 5 months when he gets bored or something
Personally I doubt I will be signing in nearly as often once I get more comfortable with growing. Right now I have endless questions to have answered and I'm always reading upi trying to learn. Eventually there will be no need to sign in/post anymore. Maybe he's already there?
Anyways
Ma Jigga you should check out my last couple posts on OldLuck's thread where I describe what I have found to be the easiest method of cloning. I will have to do a few more runs at it before declaring it the all time best/easiest method but... it seems to be sooo much easier better than other methods so far. The big advantage is that you can use quite large cutting and don't have to trim them down at all. I think the H2O2 helps add some security to the whole process as well.
I don't know if I explain it fully in his thread but basically a 10 inch cutting gets popped into a popcan filled with water/mild nutrient/H2O2. I dab the tip of the cutting in rooting gel for what it's worth. Let that cutting chill out in a less bright part of your veg room and check on it in a week or so for nubs forming on the stem. Soon as your stem starts looking wrinkly and nubby and white like it's going to pop roots then you shove it 4 inches deep into a 16 ounce beercup filled with soil or coco and bam! sooooo easy!
You don't need to spray the cutting, put a dome over it or scuff the stem. And you don't need to water it during that first week or so. You really don't need to do anything for that first week other than give it some room in your vegspace
Kush70
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i would imagine thats the case ... i know alot of people who dont spend every waking moment on the internet
ma jigga
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Too late. I'm convinced it's a cop now! loljk. I don't mind.. I like it when they watch (punny).Everyone is stoned and paranoid....
Maybe he just likes to watch....heheheheh
Dillest,
I'm going to trust you on this considering you've had a lot of success from your journal. So let me get this straight..
Take a cutting, dab the tip in rooting gel, place cutting in a soda pop can filled with water, mild nutrient (liquid karma 2ml/gal?) and place it in a spot with indirect light for a week until nubs form? Doesn't it get stressed out? I thought the normal stem scuff, dip in gel method was faster and had less risk. I'm risking my only mother.. lol. I only want to take 2 cuttings off of her to start the cycle but I need a 100% method of cloning.. It IS my first time though and I don't expect to get 100% but... I can have hope with some help from you
Thedillestpickle
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hahah you really shouldnt trust me... since I'm in my first grow and also I have only done this popcan method 1 time with only 1 cutting lol
But I could see from this cutting just how effective it was. why do you think it would get stressed? Also I wouldnt suggest moving it completely away from direct light. Give it direct light, just not as close as you would normally put your plants. Double distance from your lights will be 1/4 the lumens so that should be ideal
Yea you pretty much got it, that's all you gotta do but you must keep everything fully sterile to have 100% success. What I like to do is mix a tray of water/H202 to have handy while taking cuttings. I use a fresh razor blade and slice the cutting from the mother plant, then I dunk the entire cutting into the H2O2, this prevents any wilting from occuring to the cutting. Once a cutting wilts it takes a long time for it to recover because it doesnt really have the strength it needs to heal. Dunk it in the water and while under the water make a new cut on the stem. Also make sure your dunking water is at the same temperature as your grow room so theres no shock. Make sure you don't overdose with the H2O2, I go very dilute. Now that your cutting is under water you have more control with your razor to make a new more precise and cleaner cut on the stem. Remove any nodes within 4 inches from the bottom of the cutting by slicing flush to the stem. Remove those funny little hair like thingies that grow at nodes that newbs always think are pistils... and dip the very tip in rooting hormone just for good measure. Have your can filled to 1/2 inch from the top and pop the cutting in there.
If you want to increase your chances of success even further you could pop a clear bag over the cutting and mostly seal it. I wouldn't dunk the whole cutting into the water if you decide to do that though, but still dip the end into water while making the finishing cuts. I would spray the cutting while still on the mother plant before making the initial cut to avoid wilting.
One big advantage I find is that you don't need to create a new livin environment for the cuttings. I found with humidity domes and standard seedlings trays it's hard to find enough space in the veg room and you have to keep the HID lights well off them or greenhouse effect will cook the cuttings because the dome traps heat. With this method you only need the space of 1 popcan to make a clone and you don't need to create a seperate space outside of your veg room. The problem with having to make a separate space is it can take a while to dial in the environment to get it perfect and in the meantime you might be hurting your cuttings
Hopefully it works for you as well as it worked for me
But I could see from this cutting just how effective it was. why do you think it would get stressed? Also I wouldnt suggest moving it completely away from direct light. Give it direct light, just not as close as you would normally put your plants. Double distance from your lights will be 1/4 the lumens so that should be ideal
Yea you pretty much got it, that's all you gotta do but you must keep everything fully sterile to have 100% success. What I like to do is mix a tray of water/H202 to have handy while taking cuttings. I use a fresh razor blade and slice the cutting from the mother plant, then I dunk the entire cutting into the H2O2, this prevents any wilting from occuring to the cutting. Once a cutting wilts it takes a long time for it to recover because it doesnt really have the strength it needs to heal. Dunk it in the water and while under the water make a new cut on the stem. Also make sure your dunking water is at the same temperature as your grow room so theres no shock. Make sure you don't overdose with the H2O2, I go very dilute. Now that your cutting is under water you have more control with your razor to make a new more precise and cleaner cut on the stem. Remove any nodes within 4 inches from the bottom of the cutting by slicing flush to the stem. Remove those funny little hair like thingies that grow at nodes that newbs always think are pistils... and dip the very tip in rooting hormone just for good measure. Have your can filled to 1/2 inch from the top and pop the cutting in there.
If you want to increase your chances of success even further you could pop a clear bag over the cutting and mostly seal it. I wouldn't dunk the whole cutting into the water if you decide to do that though, but still dip the end into water while making the finishing cuts. I would spray the cutting while still on the mother plant before making the initial cut to avoid wilting.
One big advantage I find is that you don't need to create a new livin environment for the cuttings. I found with humidity domes and standard seedlings trays it's hard to find enough space in the veg room and you have to keep the HID lights well off them or greenhouse effect will cook the cuttings because the dome traps heat. With this method you only need the space of 1 popcan to make a clone and you don't need to create a seperate space outside of your veg room. The problem with having to make a separate space is it can take a while to dial in the environment to get it perfect and in the meantime you might be hurting your cuttings
Hopefully it works for you as well as it worked for me
Thedillestpickle
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I can't garantee the bag over the cutting is a good idea, as I haven't tried this. But I can say that there was only minor wilting with the cutting placed directly into the can with no misting/no bag/no dome. The reason I believe this method requires less attention to prevent wilting is because the entire length of stem within the popcan is in contact with water. With so much surface area the cutting has no trouble supplying the leaves with adequate water
ma jigga
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Alright, I'll give this some thought. I journaled that entire post for future reference. I've been planning on rigging up a bubble cloner and that pretty much works the same as your method I guess. I'll definitely try this method out when I have clones that I can experiment with. Rig up a 5 gallon DWC with me and lets do a noobie hydro grow off . I think should be ready to snip off cuttings in 3 weeks.. I hope. I'll keep updating with pics so you can direct me where to cut.. lol
. I think should be ready to snip off cuttings in 3 weeks.. I hope. I'll keep updating with pics so you can direct me where to cut.. lol
Thedillestpickle
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Ok I lied apparently I did trim the bottom two sets of leaves. Forgot that I did
I also took a another cutting that I placed into a larger 710ml can but I placed this cutting into a space with only 46watts of CFL at 2 feet distance. That space is usually around 70F whereas the room I veg in stays around 80F sometimes hotter
The difference was that the 70F room with the cutting in the bigger can hasnt done a thing since the day I took the cutting. Both cutting were taken at the same time and it's interesting to see the difference. The cutting with the bigger can looks like I just took it and the stem looks just the same as it did the day I took it. no roots nothing. I attribute this to 70F being too cold to induce rooting with this method.
The cutting in the larger can is also much larger, and the leaves on this cutting were in fact never trimmed. I will include pictures so you can see all of this.
I have decided also that I will pull apart the soil around the stem of the cutting that I believe to be successfull... to see if there are roots.
Both these cutting were taken 11 days ago from today.
Here we go:
This is a cutting taken 11 days ago and soaked in water/dilute nutrient/dilute H2O2 for roughly a week(until white nubbies appear). It sat roughly 3 feet away from a 1000watt MH at a temperature of roughly 80F(I should mention I have CO2) and RH of around 50%
Ok now lets move onto cutting #2:
Cutting #2 was kept under 46watts of CFL at a distance of roughly 1 and a half feet. A temperature of 70F and a RH of 40%. It looks exactly as it did the day I took the cutting. You may notice the lower leaves are slightly crisped... it was already like that when I took it. Cutting #2 is also larger and none of the fan leaves were trimmed in half.
See no roots... but at least it isn't dead! The H2O2 keeps the water clean so no rot occurs and this cutting should be able to stay like this for quite some time
Now let's just see how cutting #1 is really doing...
The new shoots look healthy, and should start to grow as soon as a decent root system forms
The bottom two leaves have some deficiency starting, but that is fine, and there is no drying/death occuring
Just popped the cutting out of the 50/50 coco/perlite. The last watering was 850ppm
Well there you have it, I hope it works for you as well as it did for me
I also took a another cutting that I placed into a larger 710ml can but I placed this cutting into a space with only 46watts of CFL at 2 feet distance. That space is usually around 70F whereas the room I veg in stays around 80F sometimes hotter
The difference was that the 70F room with the cutting in the bigger can hasnt done a thing since the day I took the cutting. Both cutting were taken at the same time and it's interesting to see the difference. The cutting with the bigger can looks like I just took it and the stem looks just the same as it did the day I took it. no roots nothing. I attribute this to 70F being too cold to induce rooting with this method.
The cutting in the larger can is also much larger, and the leaves on this cutting were in fact never trimmed. I will include pictures so you can see all of this.
I have decided also that I will pull apart the soil around the stem of the cutting that I believe to be successfull... to see if there are roots.
Both these cutting were taken 11 days ago from today.
Here we go:
This is a cutting taken 11 days ago and soaked in water/dilute nutrient/dilute H2O2 for roughly a week(until white nubbies appear). It sat roughly 3 feet away from a 1000watt MH at a temperature of roughly 80F(I should mention I have CO2) and RH of around 50%
Ok now lets move onto cutting #2:
Cutting #2 was kept under 46watts of CFL at a distance of roughly 1 and a half feet. A temperature of 70F and a RH of 40%. It looks exactly as it did the day I took the cutting. You may notice the lower leaves are slightly crisped... it was already like that when I took it. Cutting #2 is also larger and none of the fan leaves were trimmed in half.
See no roots... but at least it isn't dead! The H2O2 keeps the water clean so no rot occurs and this cutting should be able to stay like this for quite some timeNow let's just see how cutting #1 is really doing...
The new shoots look healthy, and should start to grow as soon as a decent root system forms
The bottom two leaves have some deficiency starting, but that is fine, and there is no drying/death occuring
Just popped the cutting out of the 50/50 coco/perlite. The last watering was 850ppm
Well there you have it, I hope it works for you as well as it did for me
ma jigga
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Wow. Thanks for taking the time to write up that entire tut with pictures! Journal'd this one too. Definitely going to give this shot a method at some point. It definitely seems real similar to a bubble cloner method though. Idk how much better the odds differ between the two though.
ma jigga
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Day 11
Switched from a 24/0 light schedule to 18/6 and transferred from a 2oz dixie cup to a clear (duct taped) 16oz party cup. Still feeding her PBPgrow, Liquid Karma and Cal+mag. (7/2.5/2 ml per gal). Still feel like she's going slow. Idk. I've had much bigger seedlings at Day 11.
Switched from a 24/0 light schedule to 18/6 and transferred from a 2oz dixie cup to a clear (duct taped) 16oz party cup. Still feeding her PBPgrow, Liquid Karma and Cal+mag. (7/2.5/2 ml per gal). Still feel like she's going slow. Idk. I've had much bigger seedlings at Day 11.
tryingtogrow89
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ordered one of these still waiting for it, ill be posting my results as well.
ma jigga
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Awesome. Link me when you've got the journal and I'll sub.
ma jigga
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May have just realized why the seedling is growing so slowly... It's 105F degrees in the cab with 2 fans on. It seems the 1x2 inch slot hole isn't big enough to draw in cool air. The plant still looks healthy without any bad signs though. I turned off the 3 cfl's and am now running the 2 fluoro tubes alone. It's only 2000 lumens though... In a dilemma without any steel cutting tools here..
EDIT: Crisis averted; Realized I could use a dremel. Took 2 discs, not bad. Cut a hole for a 120mm 70cfm fan and now I'm at 75-80 degrees. Perfect.
EDIT: Crisis averted; Realized I could use a dremel. Took 2 discs, not bad. Cut a hole for a 120mm 70cfm fan and now I'm at 75-80 degrees. Perfect.
Syn311
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Looking pretty good!
Thedillestpickle
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105F! yikes
lucky she's still alive lol
it looks likes she grew alot in those 3 days
lucky she's still alive lol
it looks likes she grew alot in those 3 days