Feminized Seeds Hermie Test - 14 strains, which are high risk; frequency; DM Reverse;

Hobbes

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Contributed by HHF from another thead
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If you reverse a polyhybrid that is not stableised you will see different plant phenos. If you reverse a stable strain, you will not. Reversal is useful in this regard for checking parental composition.

STS is a chemical composition SILVER THIOSULFATE (STS) SOLUTION and is used to reverse females to males to make female seeds.

Here is the recipe:

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PREPARATION OF Silver Thiosulfate (STS)


Silver Thiosulfate (STS) is commonly used to block the action of ethylene in plant cell cultures.
Ethylene is a hormone that is present in the gaseous state. Ethylene increases during
senescence and ripening, and has been shown to increase in plant cell cultures due to
wounding or the presence of auxins. Silver nitrate may be used alone to block the action of
ethylene but it is not transported as well as STS thus is seldom used alone.

Prepare a 0.1 M Sodium Thiosulfate (STS) stock solution by dissolving 1.58 g of Sodium
Thiosulfate (Product No. S 620) into 100 ml of water. Prepare a 0.1 M Silver Nitrate stock
solution by dissolving 1.7 g of Silver Nitrate (Product No. S 169) into 100 ml of water. Store the
stock solution in the dark until needed to prepare the STS.

The STS solution is prepared with a molar ratio between silver and thiosulfate of 1:4,
respectively. Nearly all of the silver present in the solution is in the form of [Ag (S2O3)2]3-, the
active complex for ethylene effect inhibition.

Prepare a 0.02 M STS by slowly pouring 20 ml of 0.1 M silver nitrate stock solution into 80 ml of
0.1 M sodium thiosulfate stock solution. The STS can be stored in the refrigerator for up to a
month. However, preparation of the STS just prior to use is recommended.


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bongsmilie
 

Hobbes

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Hey DDD

"I'm looking for info on Seedman Fem seeds. are they good fem seeds or will they go hermi?"

"seedsman white widdow. did it go hermi? or do you have any exp with seedsman fem seeds"

I'm just at 2 or 3 weeks of veg for my Seedsman WW, it's growing well.

I have no other personal experience with Seedsman but I've read good reviews. I'm not expecting it to hermie, that and it's potency are the reasons I'm germinating this one now. I don't want to go through another hermie grow.

Seedsman WW is suppose to be a sativa pheno with more of a head high than Black Widow.

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bongsmilie
 

DontDoDrugs

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Hey DDD

"I'm looking for info on Seedman Fem seeds. are they good fem seeds or will they go hermi?"

"seedsman white widdow. did it go hermi? or do you have any exp with seedsman fem seeds"

I'm just at 2 or 3 weeks of veg for my Seedsman WW, it's growing well.

I have no other personal experience with Seedsman but I've read good reviews. I'm not expecting it to hermie, that and it's potency are the reasons I'm germinating this one now. I don't want to go through another hermie grow.

Seedsman WW is suppose to be a sativa pheno with more of a head high than Black Widow.

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bongsmilie
yah its probably the best weed i ever smoked.. my friend grew it last year and it had the funkyest smell and BEST high ever. it was very intense but not paranoid, but it sure was on the edge lol. i just dont know if their fem seeds are good.

im doing an ebb & flow grow and i dont wanna have to pull males out which might damage roots. i think im going to end up buying the regular seeds so i dont dissapoint myself if they do go hermi..

When do you plan on flowering that WW?

and thanks for the quick reply +rep
 

Hobbes

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"When do you plan on flowering that WW?"


I'm going to top when the plant is 3" above the 3rd node (to clone for a mother) and flower in a CCOB when the topped plant is at 20" above the top - circles the bucket. Probably 4 or 5 weeks, I'm going to have a full flower garden for a while so I'm not concerned about time.

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bongsmilie
 

DontDoDrugs

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"When do you plan on flowering that WW?"


I'm going to top when the plant is 3" above the 3rd node (to clone for a mother) and flower in a CCOB when the topped plant is at 20" above the top - circles the bucket. Probably 4 or 5 weeks, I'm going to have a full flower garden for a while so I'm not concerned about time.

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bongsmilie
alright then, im just going with the reg seeds and maybe next time ill go with the fem if ur grow goes well. good luck!bongsmilie
 

donkeyote

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ive got 2 seedsman WW fems seedlings going right now too, gonna put one in flower after a two week veg, and get clones off the other one, will update my results
 

Cheech Wizard

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Hey Hobbes, I know this is off topic but I just ordered Subcools Vortex and Flying Ducthman Early Durban.... heard anything about those?
 

Hobbes

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About 3 weeks ago I posted this picture of a Dutch Passion feminized Flo that hermied, then I burnt it with too much penetrator.



I harvested because I didn't think much bud would grow back (poor producer) and I could salvage the burnt bud. The trichomes had turned mostly amber, I'm not sure it that had anything to do with the burn. The smoke had been interesting but harsh after bagging and I thew the bud in a jar.

I wasn't expecting much from it and was packing some up as a gift for a friend. I vaporized a half teaspoon and it was beautiful, musky mild grape and smooth. A confusing high: forget what you're doing or why you're where you are. But that's OK. Yep.

The effects may change in time but - although this is not what I expected from Flo - the effects are very pleasant and enjoyable. DJ Short's regular Flo is back on the list.

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bongsmilie
 

Brick Top

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About 3 weeks ago I posted this picture of a Dutch Passion feminized Flo that hermied, then I burnt it with too much penetrator.



I harvested because I didn't think much bud would grow back (poor producer) and I could salvage the burnt bud. The trichomes had turned mostly amber, I'm not sure it that had anything to do with the burn. The smoke had been interesting but harsh.

I wasn't expecting much from it and was packing some up as a gift for a friend. I vaporized a half teaspoon and it was beautiful, musky mild grape and smooth. A confusing high: forget what you're doing or why you're where you are. But that's OK. Yep.

The effects may change in time but - although this is not what I expected from Flo - the effects are very pleasant and enjoyable. DJ Short's regular Flo is back on the list.

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bongsmilie


The first portion above in red explains the second portion in red above.
 
Mostly amber trichomes means THC has begin to oxidize and creates increased levels of CBN.
 
Increased levels of CBN cause a confused messed up effect.
 
Some people do not manage to connect those dots. (Not meaning YOU, just meaning "some people.")
 

bicycle racer

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i thought it was cbd which increases or is it both regardless im an indica lover so i love such cannabinoids sativas are not best for me only sometimes.
 

Hobbes

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"The first portion above in red explains the second portion in red above."


Yes I agree, thank you for posting it for everyone. What suprised me was the extent of the change from what I thought the high would be like to what the stone actually was. I'm really surprised at the degree of change. The amber caught me by surprise, there was a speckling and I must have missed a few days and it was ripe.

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bongsmilie
 

wheezgethigh

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There's a lot of interest in feminized seeds, for obvious reasons, and we've had some discussion on the susceptibility of plants grown from feminized seeds to turn hermaphrodite. I'm going to track 14 feminized seeds for 14 strains from seed to harvest to see how they fare during flower, as well as experimenting with ways to stop the banana production once hermieing begins, and ways to keep the plant from hermieing to start with.


My feminized strains are:


Alaskan Ice - Greenhouse
Arjan's Haze #3 - Greenhouse
Blueberry – Dutch Passion
Blue Moonshine - Dutch Passion
Big Bang - Greenhouse
Cheese - Big Bhudda
Flo - Dutch Passion
Jack Flash #5 - Sensi
Red Diesel - Barney's Farm
Strawberry Cough Dutch Passion
Super Silver Haze - Greenhouse
Taiga (autoflower) - Dutch Passion
TrainWreck - Greenhouse
White Widow - Seedsman


***thanks to Pick n Mix for the fem singles


I have already flowered out Dutch Passion's Blueberry and Strawberry Cough a couple times and have Barney's Red Diesel at 6 weeks flower. I'm going to germ a new strain every 2 to 4 weeks, depending on space in the garden. All plants will be grown in Pro Mix with Fox Farm nutes for soiless and General Hydroponics for hydro; good, dechlorinated water; 1000W 2100K Hortilux HPS during flower (air cooled hood for no heat stress) and 125W 10,000K HO CFL for veg, UVB lighting in late flower.


I only know a few gardening issues to keep plants from hermieing – consistent lighting, med-light nutes, good water, good air. Once the plant turns hermaphrodite I only know to uses tweezers and Dutch Master Reverse. We'll all have to all chip in to develop a strategy for growing feminized seeds without having Herman messing with our garden.


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Blueberry (fem) - Dutch Passion
1st grow: the mother and 4 clones hermied only slightly, very few bananas. I just picked bananas.
2nd grow: 16" double topped in RDWC, virtually no bananas
3rd grow: clone in pro mix, 29” single cola – quite a few bananas that grew back when picked. Sprayed with Reverse. Still some banana production after 2 days, re apply Reverse after 10 days if needed. This will be the last grow for this strain, the current plant has been a poor producer, probably the bad pheno I read about. Beautifull plant though, starting to turn purple hues the last few days.


Strawberry Cough (fem) – Dutch Passion
1st grow: mother in pro mix and 4 clones in RDWC, a few banana bunches, picked now and again but not a problem
2nd grow: 18" double topped in RDWC, virtually no bananas.
3rd grow: 2 clones in RDWC with General Hydroponics, not a single banana 6 weeks into flower. No need to spray with Reverse.


Red Diesel (fem) – Barney's Farm
1st grow: mother in pro mix, 18” clone in RDWC. The clone was packed with bananas, I picked once and none grew back, sprayed with Reverse anyway. The clone was in the same RDWC as the 2 Strawberry Cough clones from above, that didn't hermie. The double topped mother in pro mix is still producing bananas after being sprayed with Reverse.


Flo (fem) – Dutch Passion 1 week into veg
Taiga (fem) – Dutch Passion 1 week into veg


As my control strains, to be sure it's the seeds and not my gardening causing hermieing, I have these strains:


Big Laughing (reg) – Dr Greenthumb: 2 years in garden, never a problem – 6 weeks into flower
Kali Mist (reg) – Serious Seeds: 2 weeks into flower
Bubblegum (reg) – Serious Seeds: 6 weeks into flower


Super Strawberry Diesel (reg) – Elite: 1 week into veg


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Add ideas as you have them, lets find a way to grow these beasts into beauties.


Any stories of plants hermieing, things that worked, things that didn't work, anything that will help us develop tactics and a strategy for growing fems with no hermies.


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bongsmilie
i jus red some of this thread i have to bounce cant finish reading it yet , but i have white widow, king kush fem from wwms i c the w.w is on ur list how did it turn out, i hope my k.k isnt hermie, peace
 

Hayduke

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My Red Diesel (regular) all hermmied really bad...they had to go!

I have K-train and Headband that through a banana here and there around 5 and 9 weeks. I get an occasional seed from where (I believe) the banana does not erupt from the calyx. Both strains were originally clones and were revegged. After several generations the trait is close to gone...at least it is no big deal....they do not swell up and burst like real male flowers.

:leaf::peace::leaf:
 
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