FEWER plants produce MORE than MORE PLANTS!
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txhomegrown
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I have done it both ways and got about the same yield. I would get from 8 - 12 ounces from a home made 31 gallon rubbermade aero unit. I could do 2 plants or 10, but the yield was always within that 8 - 12 ounce range. Personally, I like big plants. It makes me feel good just looking at them.
dude good question. no its not the consensus its all to do with lumens. the reason people will try and fit more plants into an area is for a quicker turn around, or alot of people can have height issues so have to grow smaller plants. if u were to do say 20 plants in a meter square for sog you would veg for a quarter of the time you would if you were growing 4 plants in that meter square area but the yeild would be more or less the same because you would have the same amount of lumens hitting the plants.the more lumens you give the more bud you get. no ifs, no buts, no maybe's its just sog gives a turn around of about 11 weeks from cutting because your not looking for big plants you veg for two weeks then chuck them into flower. but your individual plants would be more like 14/15 weeks even up to 17 from cutting.hope this helps.
viva la bubbloution
viva la bubbloution
Hobbes
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I've got an 8'x3' garden and I dropped from 12 plants to 10 because I improved my root systems and the plants are growing bigger in flower, taking two plants out keeps the others from squeezing against each other and lets a bit of light down the sides, develops side buds lower on the plant.
I've harvested too few plants since the change to figure out if I have more harvest or not. 2/12 plants less work watering so if I break even on yield and potency I'm ahead a bit.
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I've got an 8'x3' garden and I dropped from 12 plants to 10 because I improved my root systems and the plants are growing bigger in flower, taking two plants out keeps the others from squeezing against each other and lets a bit of light down the sides, develops side buds lower on the plant.
I've harvested too few plants since the change to figure out if I have more harvest or not. 2/12 plants less work watering so if I break even on yield and potency I'm ahead a bit.
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txhomegrown
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Some of those ebb and flow systems are putting out a shitload of bud per square meter. They prune the plants to just one cola with no side branches and put hundreds of them under a 1000 watt light. They are getting about 1.5 grams per watt using CO2. Way too much work involved for me.
ImTheFireMan
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i used to put 34 smaller plants under 1200watts of hps.
now i veg them a bit longer and only put 16.
for me, they seem to be more dense.
now i veg them a bit longer and only put 16.
for me, they seem to be more dense.
dura72
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i use a 4' x 4' x 6 1/2 ' tent with a 600hps in soil(old school organic set up) strated with 6 plants, went to 5 and now at four, i dont do sog,scrog, lollypop or lst, just let 'em grow like nature planned and ive found that 4 plants grow better in that setup than 5 or 6, not much difference in the main cola but the sideshoots produce a fuckin shit load more dense popcorn bud, i''ll never go above 5 in that area and it also allows for more airflow round the plants reducing bug or mold problems
riddleme
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Ultimately MJ wants to be free the plants want space and do not want to touch each other (doing so causes minor stress) rule of thumb is 1 and 1/2 feet between plants and it is not lumens that matter (in fact lumens mean absolutely nothing to the plants) it is the sum of all parts that make a great grow with good yields, You will always get higher yields from a garden that is dialed in properly with ZERO stress to the plants
dude i appreciate the disagreement but before commenting you should really do your research.yes to get the best yeild you have to look at a lot of factors but to say something so ignorant as lumens mean nothing to plant im in stitches lol. lumens matter to plants a hell of a lot when it comes to flowering the more lumens the bigger the buds. OK if lumen's are not the main factor in yield do yourself a grow of more than 3 plants under a 125w cfl see how that goes for you.
you are so far off the mark its funny.the whole idea of using light is to simulate the lumen output of the sun as close as you can otherwise what the fck are we all spending money on lights for lol
viva la bubbloution
riddleme
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ROFLMAO,,,Dude you just made my day!!!!!
You should consider doing some research on who your talking to???
I am the guy that got 47.2 grams off a 21 inch tall plant with just 97 watts of light
I probably know more about how to properly use lights then 90% of the members here
And it is a fact that plants don't use lumens, you can take that to the bank
Thanks for the laugh
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growcheese
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And it is a fact that plants don't use lumens. WRONG
growcheese
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Lots of light = Lots of bud
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RikoSuave55
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Lumens More than anything besides maybe water is the most important thing to plants in general.
Im no Know it all better than 90 % or anything as distinguished as that but i do know last year i had two plants cut from the same mom, put out on the same day, fed the exact same and endured the same weather.
One plant was partially blocked by a tree for a couple hours out of the day the other wasnt. I got nearly an ounce more out of the one that was in the sun all day.
ANother thing was once i added a fourth light to my bubbleponics system [2500 lumens] i cut my veg time by a week cuz they were outgroing the tent in 8 weeks.
My experience has always been the more lumens, the happier the plants are. which is why outdoor plants grow so much taller usually.
If lumens dont matter, then im gonna buy that cheap 1000 lumen bulb and grow me 50 plants this year! woo hoo! NOT!
It was a dumb statement and i wish there was a subtract rep button for people like this.
Im no Know it all better than 90 % or anything as distinguished as that but i do know last year i had two plants cut from the same mom, put out on the same day, fed the exact same and endured the same weather.
One plant was partially blocked by a tree for a couple hours out of the day the other wasnt. I got nearly an ounce more out of the one that was in the sun all day.
ANother thing was once i added a fourth light to my bubbleponics system [2500 lumens] i cut my veg time by a week cuz they were outgroing the tent in 8 weeks.
My experience has always been the more lumens, the happier the plants are. which is why outdoor plants grow so much taller usually.
If lumens dont matter, then im gonna buy that cheap 1000 lumen bulb and grow me 50 plants this year! woo hoo! NOT!
It was a dumb statement and i wish there was a subtract rep button for people like this.
riddleme
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My statement is true, whether anybody wants to believe it or not,,,
Lumens is a measurement (mostly used in photography) of how humans see light (not plants), it is based on the white light output which is mostly from the green spectrum (the part we see) the part of light that plants do not use at all
what you seem to think I said was that more light is not better, I did not say that
what I said was plants don't USE lumens which is a true statement, since lumens are based on green light and plants don't use green light
riddleme
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I did not want to walk away from all the nay sayers and leave the OP confused, I also do not want to jack the thread but please understand that I Do a lot of research and don't follow what folks in MJ forums to believe to be true???
this is a quote from a botanist that post in a regular garden forum (tomatoes) it explains my point very well
this is a quote from a botanist that post in a regular garden forum (tomatoes) it explains my point very well
I also have a really good ditty on PAR watts in my blog (Riddleme's Nuggets sig link)
txhomegrown
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Please post a link to the place where you got your PAR/PPFD meter. I am sure there are a lot of us that would like to have one. Then, your cut and paste expertise would have some practical application.
At least you used a legitimate source. a botanist that post in a regular garden forum (tomatoes)
At least you used a legitimate source. a botanist that post in a regular garden forum (tomatoes)
Burger Boss
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First:
Measuring Light for Humans: Lumens and Lux
First, how do we measure light quantity for humans? The obvious way is based on how bright the source appears and how "well" the eye sees under the light. Since the human eye is particularly sensitive to yellow light, more weight is given to the yellow region of the spectrum and the contributions from blue and red light are largely discounted. This is the basis for rating the total amount of light emitted by a source in lumens.
The light emitted from the source is then distributed over the area to be illuminated. The illumination is measured in "lux", a measurement of how many lumens falls on each square meter of surface. An illumination of 1000 lux implies that 1000 lumens are falling on each square meter of surface. Similarly, "foot-candles" is the term for the measure of how many lumens are falling on each square foot of surface.
Clearly, both lumens and lux (or foot-candles) refer specifically to human vision and not to the way plants see light.
Second:
This silly assed thread was started by a shit disturbing dweeb that comes with some off-the-wall BS, that starts a big-assed ruckus. He's done this many times. Check his past threads
In one he claims he's going to become a cop and still wants to grow, then asks for advice In another, he says "his apt. fuses keep popping, Is that a problem?"(I guess the cop decided to grow,lol).
I'm telling you that this guy starts these threads to watch US dance.
Notice HE almost NEVER enters the converstion after the initial post.
I wish you all, Good luck & good grow.......BB
Here ya go tex, a little cut & paste: http://www.sunmastergrowlamps.com/SunmLightandPlants.html
Measuring Light for Humans: Lumens and Lux
First, how do we measure light quantity for humans? The obvious way is based on how bright the source appears and how "well" the eye sees under the light. Since the human eye is particularly sensitive to yellow light, more weight is given to the yellow region of the spectrum and the contributions from blue and red light are largely discounted. This is the basis for rating the total amount of light emitted by a source in lumens.
The light emitted from the source is then distributed over the area to be illuminated. The illumination is measured in "lux", a measurement of how many lumens falls on each square meter of surface. An illumination of 1000 lux implies that 1000 lumens are falling on each square meter of surface. Similarly, "foot-candles" is the term for the measure of how many lumens are falling on each square foot of surface.
Clearly, both lumens and lux (or foot-candles) refer specifically to human vision and not to the way plants see light.
Second:
This silly assed thread was started by a shit disturbing dweeb that comes with some off-the-wall BS, that starts a big-assed ruckus. He's done this many times. Check his past threads
In one he claims he's going to become a cop and still wants to grow, then asks for advice
In another, he says "his apt. fuses keep popping, Is that a problem?"(I guess the cop decided to grow,lol).I'm telling you that this guy starts these threads to watch US dance.
Notice HE almost NEVER enters the converstion after the initial post.
I wish you all, Good luck & good grow.......BB
Here ya go tex, a little cut & paste: http://www.sunmastergrowlamps.com/SunmLightandPlants.html