GoldenGanja13
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Smartt, hey thanks man. Which product did the best in seedling/veg stages ? I have never used Happy frog, how is it? Oh nice garden bro.
FFOF Vs Roots Organic Soil~Pictures=Proof
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theloadeddragon
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Sensi Star..... I love Sensi Star... just one this year, but it will be enough
.You lost 3 seedlings in Roots, and none in FFOF. You NEVER used roots before, you use FFOF ALL the Time. hmmmm. I doubt you were using the Roots properly. None of mine died. See I did a comparison as well (indeed I am never not doing a soil comparison indoors and out), with Roots Organic, FFOF, Bio Bizz All Mix, and different mixes of each, as well as a couple other brands (<those just did the best). I did multiple strains of seeds, multiple seeds per soil (5 seeds of each strain in each mix), as well as 5 clones from the same mother of each strain in each soil and soil mix. This comparison was indoors. All by itself, FFOF grew fastest with middle yield, and required heavy soil maintenance 4 weeks after permanent transplant, Roots grew slower with less soil maintenance and about the same yield, Bio Bizz All Mix required about the same soil maintenance but yielded better and grew faster than the others by themselves.
I do have to say this, and it remains consistent to this day:
Planting seeds directly into a one gallon pot consisting of the bottom 2/3 FFOF and the top 1/3 half and half FFOF and FFLW has the best germination and seedling health rates (regardless of other factors, which have been measured and compared as well, such as lighting, air flow etc.)
From the seedling mix above, the Permanent soil mix that performed the Best overall was- 45% FFOF, 40% Bio Bizz All Mix, and 15% Perlite. Grows fast and consistent, very little soil maintenance, Highest yeilds, and highest quality. This is also when using the FF and BB liquid nutrients in conjunction with each other and on a calculated schedule.
Yes I have tried other ratios and other soils and ingredient lists. That has consistently provided the best results. I am always trying new combinations, new mixes, new ingredients, new practices, and new formulas. I don't think I have found perfection, I don't believe that exists. I don't believe that my research is complete or conclusive, but that the data collected is empirical and does highlight some interesting contingencies. For example- Some soil mixtures met the needs of some strains better and vice a verse
I do know that a roots mix I did outperformed a FFOF mix I did last year, cuttings outside. I also know that FFOF and FFHF mixed is more productive outside than FFOF and BBAM outside. I have comparisons going on right now.... want to see?
My Sensi Star-
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And a couple garden shots-
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Twistedfunk
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Loaded gets +rep for doing it right.
I haven't tried Sensi Star but I have a Hong Kong (a sensi star cross) I just put into flower about 4 days ago. She's slower than my others but not as slow as the Raspberry. I have no idea what to expect so im all tingly. Using Subcool's recipe this round.
I haven't tried Sensi Star but I have a Hong Kong (a sensi star cross) I just put into flower about 4 days ago. She's slower than my others but not as slow as the Raspberry. I have no idea what to expect so im all tingly. Using Subcool's recipe this round.
GoldenGanja13
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Very Nice loaded. But I have grown in RO before (it's posted). 3 years ago the local hydro store gave me a bag of RO . Back then it was all clones and I did not care for RO.
LOL umm I don't understand you saying I was not using ROOTS properly? How could you go wrong? It's a brand that they claim needs nothing but to stick a seed or clone in.
I thank you loaded for adding your comparison to my thread (very nice) but for us to batter back and fourth anymore would be redundant ( already is, seeing I have to explain everything twice). I do not care to run circles. You don't care for my comparison that I was asked to do by the local hydro shop, I got that. So post what you wish, I am sure others will enjoy reading it, as for me I prefer to read them but exercise my freedom of not answering them.
~Namaste
LOL umm I don't understand you saying I was not using ROOTS properly? How could you go wrong? It's a brand that they claim needs nothing but to stick a seed or clone in.
I thank you loaded for adding your comparison to my thread (very nice) but for us to batter back and fourth anymore would be redundant ( already is, seeing I have to explain everything twice). I do not care to run circles. You don't care for my comparison that I was asked to do by the local hydro shop, I got that. So post what you wish, I am sure others will enjoy reading it, as for me I prefer to read them but exercise my freedom of not answering them.
~Namaste
GoldenGanja13
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Really? I mean seriously? Was not one of your complaints towards my comparison was because I was using seeds? OI
theloadeddragon
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I accounted for as many variables as I could, was my point. It is part of the scientific process. I used cuttings as well.... I think he repped my grow, not my own process for comparing the soils.
Yes, you can misuse any kind of soil, I have done it before, both with Roots, and with FFOF and other products.
What you have to understand is Im NOT arguing with you.
Your results were conclusive for you, FFOF works better for you. Using your own methods and materials and strains and techniques. As our plants are all different, our rooms are all different, our back yards are all different, and our hearts are all different, so will be what works best for each of us. The scientific process is designed to eliminate the element of "You".
Your comparison leaves little for me to ascertain about my own disposition is all. Thats what their point is. It may work for you, it may not work for me or it may, Just as What worked for me May work for you
. I highlighted what worked for me.It all depends....
GoldenGanja13
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You have'd missed the whole purpose of my comparison. I was asked to do so by my Hydro guys. Therefore everything I did was the same as always, except using a different soil. The outcome was poor with RO. Still don't understand misusing soil? ALlow me to tell you what the sales pitch is in Eugene, Or. where RO is based~ RO is a soil that needs no additives, just put a seed or plant in it and water. Then they go on to say how it well not burn your plant's like FFOF will. So no there was no "miss use" of soil ?
I accounted for as many variables as I could, was my point. It is part of the scientific process. I used cuttings as well.... I think he repped my grow, not my own process for comparing the soils.
Yes, you can misuse any kind of soil, I have done it before, both with Roots, and with FFOF and other products.
What you have to understand is Im NOT arguing with you.
Your results were conclusive for you, FFOF works better for you. Using your own methods and materials and strains and techniques. As our plants are all different, our rooms are all different, our back yards are all different, and our hearts are all different, so will be what works best for each of us. The scientific process is designed to eliminate the element of "You".
Your comparison leaves little for me to ascertain about my own disposition is all. Thats what their point is. It may work for you, it may not work for me or it may, Just as What worked for me May work for you
It all depends....
brickedup417
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hell ya it was a good thread, till everyone gott butt hurt about the results of roots organic.
GoldenGanja13
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ROFLAO 2 be expected. There's always a terd in the punch bowl.
GoldenGanja13
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None the less, I did a comparison like I was asked from the hydro store and the results where poor with RO. I am going in there real soon and there is one dread head in there that is all organic and his garden rocks, but he uses RO. So I am going to ask him to do a simple comparison like they asked me too. I mean straight simple.
theloadeddragon
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And that is a good observance of the scientific process. The more comparisons, the more examples and numbers to fuel known statistics
.It is very easy to misuse a soil, if you do not understand the soil. Square 1 being ingredients and their actual sources. Next being the processes used to mix and store, or compost, etc. and so on and so forth. Understanding the different properties of the ingredients and their effects on each other makes a difference as well.
I added perlite to my Roots Organic, and it was more successful.
Different soil properties require different maintenance and techniques for optimum results. You have to Adapt yourself in order to take advantage of what you have. Or you can get what you always get and do what you do......
Twistedfunk
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Yeah i had to rep that grow, its beautiful. He did also state that he did comparisons with cuttings. Your hydro shop guys asked you to do a comparison? Use cuttings, multiple times. Have all factors common other than the variable you are attempting to determine. 6 pages and we are still having to spell it out for you. Your comparison is unfair because you have too many variables.
Also, I have stated multiple times that this is my first attempt with RO and I am more familiar with FFOF. I'm being completely objective about each of them and trying to explain to the OP why people are telling him he's doing an unfair comparison. What is so hard to understand about that?
OP = Hey look at this experiment.
Us = That isn't a proper experiment because there are too many variables.
OP = I disagree
US = No really, google it if you have to.
OP = I still disagree
US = But you are still doing it wrong
OP = I'm right, you just don't like the results
US = (laughing to ourselves) We don't care about the results, we're just trying to help you do it right.
OP = lol ur butthurt
US= (more laughing)
Also, I have stated multiple times that this is my first attempt with RO and I am more familiar with FFOF. I'm being completely objective about each of them and trying to explain to the OP why people are telling him he's doing an unfair comparison. What is so hard to understand about that?
OP = Hey look at this experiment.
Us = That isn't a proper experiment because there are too many variables.
OP = I disagree
US = No really, google it if you have to.
OP = I still disagree
US = But you are still doing it wrong
OP = I'm right, you just don't like the results
US = (laughing to ourselves) We don't care about the results, we're just trying to help you do it right.
OP = lol ur butthurt
US= (more laughing)
Twistedfunk
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And that is a good observance of the scientific process. The more comparisons, the more examples and numbers to fuel known statistics
It is very easy to misuse a soil, if you do not understand the soil. Square 1 being ingredients and their actual sources. Next being the processes used to mix and store, or compost, etc. and so on and so forth. Understanding the different properties of the ingredients and their effects on each other makes a difference as well.
I added perlite to my Roots Organic, and it was more successful.
Different soil properties require different maintenance and techniques for optimum results. You have to Adapt yourself in order to take advantage of what you have. Or you can get what you always get and do what you do......
So true, as I mentioned earlier, I have to amend any soil off the shelf because they all claim to be ready to pot and plant fresh out of the bag and that's simply not the case. I don't know why people fall for the advertisements on packages. Also, I treat every plant differently even if its a clone because in soil, the mediums can have inconsistent nutrient values.
GoldenGanja13
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LOL You just don't get it do you. I was asked to do a simple grow with there product, and I did, and it had poor results. Now lets say I just used all RO, well I would compare that with my past grows using FFOF. Get it?
GoldenGanja13
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The Hydro guy said just add a seed or plant. (making me run circles) I never add compost or guano, etc (mixed in soil) to my FFOF and my yields are between 4-7.5 per plant indoors under a 600hps. So keeping it all the same was the way for me to see if RO was better than FFOF, it is not. Here are a few of my harvest, all indoors of course.
And that is a good observance of the scientific process. The more comparisons, the more examples and numbers to fuel known statistics
It is very easy to misuse a soil, if you do not understand the soil. Square 1 being ingredients and their actual sources. Next being the processes used to mix and store, or compost, etc. and so on and so forth. Understanding the different properties of the ingredients and their effects on each other makes a difference as well.
I added perlite to my Roots Organic, and it was more successful.
Different soil properties require different maintenance and techniques for optimum results. You have to Adapt yourself in order to take advantage of what you have. Or you can get what you always get and do what you do......
Illumination
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theloadeddragon
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Of course if you change soil, your going to need to change how you grow. And doing things exactly the same won't get you the same results.
nice plants and nugs..... but I don't see your point.... unless your point was "hey, look at these nice buds"
I see, looks good. How did they smoke?
GoldenGanja13
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Hey thanks man.
GG beautiful job man and THANK YOU for sharing
Namaste' my friend
GoldenGanja13
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I don't see changing how you grow just because you switched mediums. I posted my pics to show you what I can do inside, just as you did foryour outside grows.
Steller smoke~