fiat currency is legal theft

I stopped working a few years ago when I realised I was paid in pieces of paper, of which half I had to effectively give back to the system in the form of taxes and various non discretionary expenses.

Digging a little further I then discovered how the constitution of my country (South Africa) legitimises this paper money and as a result I started questioning the entire thing (borders, countries, constitutions, legal system, banks etc)- also fun fact for the conspiracy theorists: there is a functioning freemason temple on South Africa's parliamentary grounds (the freemasons prefer to state that parliament is on freemason grounds)

If the creation of man made borders, countries, constitutions and paper money are artificial and meant to control populations, then the issues we experience (inequality, racism, terrorism, pollution, debt etc) are all a direct result of paper money and its support mechanisms.

Anyway thats where I am currently with my thoughts

welcome..active member!

cryptocurrency or self reduce your taxation?

seen any trumps around on safari? crazy things happen in the bush..could you make sure they don't come back?

schuylaar said:

welcome..active member!

cryptocurrency or self reduce your taxation?

seen any trumps around on safari? crazy things happen in the bush..could you make sure they don't come back?

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crypto in my humble view is worse that fiat, so yeah I have basically reduced my tax liability (haven't paid income tax for the past four years), and I encourage people to not vote

wasn't aware the Trumps were in town, otherwise a plan could have been made, but in saying that Trump is only a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem

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@Rob Roy is going to love this thread.

londonfog said:

@Rob Roy is going to love this thread.

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... and he still pays taxes.

rkymtnman said:

... and he still pays taxes.

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@Rob Roy may complain but he still obeys

londonfog said:

@Rob Roy may complain but he still obeys

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Like a good slave

moving_shadow said:

crypto in my humble view is worse that fiat, so yeah I have basically reduced my tax liability (haven't paid income tax for the past four years), and I encourage people to not vote

wasn't aware the Trumps were in town, otherwise a plan could have been made, but in saying that Trump is only a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem

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no, no..he's the problem..but you do have to vote..don't throw that away.

I want to get all my renumeration in sparkely things.

Fiat currency a problem?

Yugo get more!

moving_shadow said:

crypto in my humble view is worse that fiat, so yeah I have basically reduced my tax liability (haven't paid income tax for the past four years), and I encourage people to not vote

wasn't aware the Trumps were in town, otherwise a plan could have been made, but in saying that Trump is only a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem

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Please don't vote.

schuylaar said:

no, no..he's the problem..but you do have to vote..don't throw that away.

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big government (and business to a certain extent) is a consequence of fiat currency, giving them the ability to spend at the expense of taxpayers, current and future

so why vote to legitimise big government, it doesn't really matter who you vote for, government will just get bigger

moving_shadow said:

big government (and business to a certain extent) is a consequence of fiat currency, giving them the ability to spend at the expense of taxpayers, current and future

so why vote to legitimise big government, it doesn't really matter who you vote for, government will just get bigger

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Has nothing to do with the growth of population?

Or growth of economies?

Fogdog said:

Has nothing to do with the growth of population?

Or growth of economies?

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well if you can provide the evidence to suggest that then I'm open to consider it

but from what I understand, the corrupt deal between central banks and governments has led to government expansion beyond what is required

remember the issue is about fiat currency, and population growth has very little to do with fiat currency being as ubiquitous as it is, one could argue that is has quite a bit to do with the growth in some economies, at the expense of others

moving_shadow said:

well if you can provide the evidence to suggest that then I'm open to consider it

but from what I understand, the corrupt deal between central banks and governments has led to government expansion beyond what is required

remember the issue is about fiat currency, and population growth has very little to do with fiat currency being as ubiquitous as it is, one could argue that is has quite a bit to do with the growth in some economies, at the expense of others

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It's your contention that the government will eternally grow larger regardless of population or size of economy. I don't believe your reasoning that it is due to fiat currency. So, convince me.

if governments have access to loans backed by taxation, then they will continue to grow larger as there is nothing really stopping them except their ability to raise tax from those they govern

moving_shadow said:

if governments have access to loans backed by taxation, then they will continue to grow larger as there is nothing really stopping them except their ability to raise tax from those they govern

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If the money is simply printed then why do they have to tax anything?

If paper money created racism and borders then why did they exist before paper did? (and before money)

Isnt it easier to buy something with paper than have to go and get 1/2 a lamb to have someone "massage" you?

If you don't vote then you are doing what big business want. You also then have no right to complain when u get fkd over.

People not voting is why Trumps in power.

Lucky Luke said:

If paper money created racism and borders then why did they exist before paper did? (and before money)

Isnt it easier to buy something with paper than have to go and get 1/2 a lamb to have someone "massage" you?

If you don't vote then you are doing what big business want. You also then have no right to complain when u get fkd over.

People not voting is why Trumps in power.

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this is your opinion, if nobody votes whichever government is in power after an election will by definition be illegitimate, also I have every right to complain because I did not give the corrupt democratic process legitimacy by participating in it

also I did not say racism or borders were created by paper money

Fogdog said:

If the money is simply printed then why do they have to tax anything?

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the answer is in identifying who does the printing and who does the taxing