FinShaggy's Religious Marijuana Grow Journal
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Finshaggy
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Every "bad grow" these people here claim I had, was literally an Epigentics experiment, and they didn't understand. And now that I am back in Colorado, I will be doing this again. Not right now, but I will be doing epigenetic based breeding again.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/epigenetics-could-it-effect-the-future-of-breeding.803171/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/lmfao-epigenetics-stress-your-plants.802312/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/epigenetics-could-it-effect-the-future-of-breeding.803171/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/lmfao-epigenetics-stress-your-plants.802312/
Finshaggy
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I personally had the idea of Epigenetic breeding before I even knew what Epigenetics was, and when I learned what Epigenetics was, it completely proved my theory; and my theory was also based on evidence. What gave me the idea for stress breeding was Bouncing Bear Botanicals. They had San Pedro Cactus in like 2006 or something that was labeled "SS" which stood for "Super Stressed". And since the age of 14 I had started reading everything I possibly could about Alkaloids, so when I found out that their theory behind "SS" was that alkaloids were a defense mechanism, and many plants had been shown to have alkaloids appear in larger amounts when introduced to slicing, stabbing, burning, and other forms of "Super Stress". Their's were Cacti that had been grown in harsh conditions, and stabbed and slashed. And the possibility was that that would have caused it to have more Mescaline.
Now THC is not exactly an Alkaloid, and no one knows if Stressing it will bring more out (so let's find out). But UVB does bring out THCv, to protect from the UV rays. So there probably are ways to bring out more THC. And who cares if it brings out more in that particular generation, you can get the next Generation to be stronger, with higher THC content because of the stress of the parents. Epigenetics proves this.
And when I was doing this here, it's not like 100% of the people on this website were against me, just as an example I remember an old grower who said he had heard about people who used to hammer a nail into the stalk of their plant to make it produce more THC. And then someone else told me that they had known an old grower who would take his plants just before flower, and tie a cinder block to the top and stretch it out, then the branches would grow upwards like 3-6 plants, kind of like SCROG.
It's not like a don't know what I am talking about or doing, most of these people here are just trolls.
Now THC is not exactly an Alkaloid, and no one knows if Stressing it will bring more out (so let's find out). But UVB does bring out THCv, to protect from the UV rays. So there probably are ways to bring out more THC. And who cares if it brings out more in that particular generation, you can get the next Generation to be stronger, with higher THC content because of the stress of the parents. Epigenetics proves this.
And when I was doing this here, it's not like 100% of the people on this website were against me, just as an example I remember an old grower who said he had heard about people who used to hammer a nail into the stalk of their plant to make it produce more THC. And then someone else told me that they had known an old grower who would take his plants just before flower, and tie a cinder block to the top and stretch it out, then the branches would grow upwards like 3-6 plants, kind of like SCROG.
It's not like a don't know what I am talking about or doing, most of these people here are just trolls.
too larry
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I knew old growers who used to push thumb tacks in the stalks to stress them out. Hell, I've even done it a time or two. But I also knew a grower who watered with ice water because he thought it made them flower better. Lots of folks have lots of funny ideas.
My original BP plant was lost for a few months. When I found it it was not even knee high from lack of sun. I put her out in the sun and let it finish flowering. Only got about a half ounce, but it was the best smoke I grew in 2015, hand down. Was the stress the reason? Who knows.
Finshaggy
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If I were actually doing it right now all kinds of good stuff like this would come up.
Everyone just likes to grab individual pictures of plants with no context, and they just say "Look how horrible they look".
I'll eventually start doing more tests, I am just focusing on growing some buds and trim for hash making and breeding right now. So I am doing that first, then I will get back into the Epigenetic testing once I finish this.
And I actually did do this in this grow, but you know how most people breed plants by looking for "Vigor" and Vigor is usually a good sign that it is a good breeding plant? I actually will not water plants and let a bunch die; kind of a "only the strong survive" type test, and then only grow the ones that survive, because the other ones die. With the seedlings I started off with 1-7 seeds from each strain, and I now have 1 plant from each of those strains, because I let all the others die from underwatering, or being taken over by the other ones by being blocked from the light when their siblings got too big, or from the other ones taking over their Jiffy pack with their roots. So I don't just look for Vigor, I look for Survivors.
Because my goal originally was this:
I had come from Texas with 3,000 bagseeds or so from some bright green, Texas brick weed that was not bad except for that some energy had gone to making all the seeds. And I was using my Epigentic theory (before I knew about Epigenetics) in order to breed a "Ditch Weed strain" meaning that it was meant to be Johnny Appleseed-ed, and they would have good genetics for people to pull out of ditches, and people would not be mad to get pollen from a good Ditchweed. Basically just trying to make a strain that could survive anything, and Make America Hemp-Covered Again.
Now I am basically doing the same thing, but with better genetics. I am going to be giving out seeds and clones, and mixing various landrace strains, and finding the plants that are survivors and have the best flavors and smells and THCv content. It's just that right now I am not as focused on the survivors, I am just breeding the plants for now, and will be focusing more on the survivor aspect in later grows, once I have a good strain. But I will always find the best plants by letting a few die.
too larry
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There was a guy on here one time named Larry, who liked to garden. He joked about breeding the perfect bush strain. One that would thrive on neglect. Living through hot, cold, wet and dry. He grew an old North Florida strain crossed in 1988. He lost a lot of plants in what he called his Darwin Dope patches. So in theory, I guess you could say he was doing selective breeding. But I think he was just lazy as fuck and didn't check on his shit very often.
He's been gone a good while now. I wonder whatever happen to him.
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dangledo
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mackdx
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Fin
Consider this,.....
Have you ever considered the fact that the last one standing of the plants you neglect may in fact be the weakest and not the strongest?
Healthy plants transpire more than weaker plants, which means the will use water and food resources at a greater rate than weak plants. Once used up, they will wilt and die. Weaker plants may use those same resources at a slower rate, thus surviving longer on the same set of inputs.
Consider this,.....
Have you ever considered the fact that the last one standing of the plants you neglect may in fact be the weakest and not the strongest?
Healthy plants transpire more than weaker plants, which means the will use water and food resources at a greater rate than weak plants. Once used up, they will wilt and die. Weaker plants may use those same resources at a slower rate, thus surviving longer on the same set of inputs.
Finshaggy
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I don't meant to talk shit, but you are basically just completely unaware of what I am doing and commenting for the sake of commenting.
My plants are not "neglected", that is a complete misnomer; and is not what is happening at all. There is no situation in one of my grows where a strong plant would not make it. It's not like I deplete them of nutrients, I actually add nutrients that most people don't add (I am using Silicate).
Basically my answer is just that you have no idea what you are talking about, and that would never happen.
Finshaggy
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Let me explain to everyone how Epigenetics works:
Ok, so you know how you have probably had the thought that White people came from Cold, and then someone told you that it was more complicated than that, or just straight up told you you were wrong?
According to Epigenetics, you weren't "wrong", but you weren't getting the whole picture. Epigenetics says that the likely reason for White people, is more likely a mixture of factors, 1 not the Cold and the Snow like a White Rabbit using Camouflage, but White people's skin is actually due to a lack of UVB rays; which could either be accounted to the Climate, or living in Caves (like how you can see through a Cave Fish's skin, and they have no eyes). Then there is also the possible factor of Albinos coming from Africa (Albinos are still taboo in many African tribes) and mixing with the Cave/Cold people, which is called "Recombination" of genetic material. For example, if one of the 2 sets of Darwin's Finches made their way to the mainland, then on the mainland 2 groups were made because of a Mountain range that separated 2 groups of the 1 set for like 100,000 years; then at the end of that 100,000 years that new 3 species goes back to the island and breeds with the first one; Recombination. Then there is also the factor of things like Sickle Cell and Lactose Intolerance in higher rates in non-White genetics; the Sickle Cell is a protection from Malaria (and White people don't have that protection), but Lactose Tolerance could be from living on Dairy in the Caves. Cheese and all that is just rotten milk and lasts a long time.
And all these factors had small effects on White DNA, making White people.
A more short term example is a test they have done with Mice, as well as the Monkey test I have shown many times where one Monkey was given less food than it needed over 20 years and it was much more vital (fuller hair, standing taller, etc) than the one that had gotten all the food it needed during the 20 years. In the Mouse experiment they took a mouse and had her live in a room with an electric floor, and they would put a lemon scent in the room, and shock her randomly. Then she got pregnant and when she had babies, every time they smelled lemons they would freak out like they were being shocked.
There are tons of experiments that have been done, and this is a completely accepted Science. And it's not Human Science, or Mouse Science, or Monkey Science, it's Genetic Science; so it applies to anything with DNA.
Ok, so you know how you have probably had the thought that White people came from Cold, and then someone told you that it was more complicated than that, or just straight up told you you were wrong?
According to Epigenetics, you weren't "wrong", but you weren't getting the whole picture. Epigenetics says that the likely reason for White people, is more likely a mixture of factors, 1 not the Cold and the Snow like a White Rabbit using Camouflage, but White people's skin is actually due to a lack of UVB rays; which could either be accounted to the Climate, or living in Caves (like how you can see through a Cave Fish's skin, and they have no eyes). Then there is also the possible factor of Albinos coming from Africa (Albinos are still taboo in many African tribes) and mixing with the Cave/Cold people, which is called "Recombination" of genetic material. For example, if one of the 2 sets of Darwin's Finches made their way to the mainland, then on the mainland 2 groups were made because of a Mountain range that separated 2 groups of the 1 set for like 100,000 years; then at the end of that 100,000 years that new 3 species goes back to the island and breeds with the first one; Recombination. Then there is also the factor of things like Sickle Cell and Lactose Intolerance in higher rates in non-White genetics; the Sickle Cell is a protection from Malaria (and White people don't have that protection), but Lactose Tolerance could be from living on Dairy in the Caves. Cheese and all that is just rotten milk and lasts a long time.
And all these factors had small effects on White DNA, making White people.
A more short term example is a test they have done with Mice, as well as the Monkey test I have shown many times where one Monkey was given less food than it needed over 20 years and it was much more vital (fuller hair, standing taller, etc) than the one that had gotten all the food it needed during the 20 years. In the Mouse experiment they took a mouse and had her live in a room with an electric floor, and they would put a lemon scent in the room, and shock her randomly. Then she got pregnant and when she had babies, every time they smelled lemons they would freak out like they were being shocked.
There are tons of experiments that have been done, and this is a completely accepted Science. And it's not Human Science, or Mouse Science, or Monkey Science, it's Genetic Science; so it applies to anything with DNA.
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Finshaggy
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And just an example of how something like Lactose Intolerance would be turned to Lactose Tolerance. Everyone in a society that can't survive on cheese because their body won't take another animal's rotten milk, dies, and everyone left is the new Genetic forefathers of those people.
There may be many things that used to be poison to some humans, no one knows, because everyone that was allergic enough to make things like Broccoli or Beef poison to them, are all pretty much dead if they existed.
There are a Million mutations that Humans may have gone through that are actually gone now, we just don't know because it wasn't the right mutation at the right time. Or the people with the mutation to accept it are the only ones left.
Same thing happened with Ebola and the Plague.
There may be many things that used to be poison to some humans, no one knows, because everyone that was allergic enough to make things like Broccoli or Beef poison to them, are all pretty much dead if they existed.
There are a Million mutations that Humans may have gone through that are actually gone now, we just don't know because it wasn't the right mutation at the right time. Or the people with the mutation to accept it are the only ones left.
Same thing happened with Ebola and the Plague.
Finshaggy
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Just an example of what someone could try to do.
If you literally infested a room with spider mites on purpose, then grow plants in that room for years, and breed only the ones that it seemed like the Spider Mites were ignoring more than others. Then eventually you might have a Spider Mite resistant Strain.
If you literally infested a room with spider mites on purpose, then grow plants in that room for years, and breed only the ones that it seemed like the Spider Mites were ignoring more than others. Then eventually you might have a Spider Mite resistant Strain.
whitebb2727
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Where's the pics?
Finshaggy
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I'm doing it right now. I just got Incorporated as a Non-Profit like last week, and if anyone wants to check out my Instagram (SivaJapa), you can see a few extra updates that haven't been on here. Still not the full picture, but the big update will come within the next week. The tent is now set up, and once the buckets get here the plants will be moved in there in 10 gallon containers.
I just haven't been updating here because I was waiting to get the new tent, and for all the plants to show gender, but they are showing their gender now. So the update will be a big one, because I'll know exactly what I am breeding with what.
too larry
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Knowing what you are breeding is good. I grow in the bush, and my labels are buried, so I did a couple of crosses this year that I didn't know what they were until I chopped and dug up the labels.
One was (Triangle Kush Cookies X Nightcap X Sinmint X Shit/Skunk) {also known as Poly Shunk 1} X (Skunk X Shit/Skunk) {aka Skunk Shunk}. The other was (Afghani X Shit/Skunk) X (Powernap X Sinmint Cookies X Gorille de Raisin)
I have a few more crosses still going that I won't know for sure what they are until I harvest.
One was (Triangle Kush Cookies X Nightcap X Sinmint X Shit/Skunk) {also known as Poly Shunk 1} X (Skunk X Shit/Skunk) {aka Skunk Shunk}. The other was (Afghani X Shit/Skunk) X (Powernap X Sinmint Cookies X Gorille de Raisin)
I have a few more crosses still going that I won't know for sure what they are until I harvest.
Finshaggy
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Btw, I am using Epigenetics in my Marijuana Breeding Program in multiple ways.
1. I let plants die to find the survivors
2. I am using African strains with THCv, which is a result of UVB; meaning it is basically the same exact thing as Melanin (pigment) in human skin. And I am using UVB lights to bring out the THCv.
3. I am using Flavor and Smell Strains.
4. I let leaves touch LED lights and burn, which may activate a response to create stronger, or maybe waxier leaves.
5. I have in the past used a Razor blade to chop a plant in half and let it grow like 2 plants with 1 root system.
6. I top and FIM my plants
7. I supercrop the stalk as it is growing, as well as the branches when they start coming out.
8. I stretch the plants either with just strings tied to the container tied to the tops of the branches to pull them down; or tie them to Bamboo poles.
There is more, but there are a bunch of good examples. And these are things you can do with all plants. There are other things that you could do specifically to get a certain desired trait. For example, many people will baby their plant's pH level, because if it gets too Acidic or Basic it can kill your plants, but if you were to keep growing in Super Acidic or Super Basic Soil, and only bred the ones that survived because the other ones were dead, then you would eventually even up with a strain that can grow in Acidic Soil, and it might even end up making some new Flavors by absorbing Acids.
And the idea of "Absorbing Acids" could add a whole other layer to the Epigenetics of Breeding an Acid Resistant Strain, you could grow a Strain that thrives in only 1 form of Acid, say Mallic Acid, which is what gives Apples their Flavors. And what if it possibly begins to absorb the Mallic Acid and use it to add smell and flavor, the way certain species eat other species for their poison; some eat Sea Urchins, some eat Ants, etc. Just water them with 10% Mallic Acid every time, and keep the survivors, and if too many seem to be surviving, up the %.
And you could also do the same with bugs. There are Ants that live in Acacia Trees; you could start an Ant Farm inside your Marijuana grow containers, and just see what that does over time. You could do the same with Various fungi and plants, for example Wormwood (the Absinthe plant) kills other plants around it, but some plants can grow around it. You could create a strain of Marijuana that can survive in the same container as Wormwood (if it doesn't already), and see if that makes any other genetic changes. Or you could just grow Marijuana with various other plants and find out what happens with each one. Fungus and Bacteria would be good as well.
You could grow Bacteria by getting Petri Dishes and Agar, then getting Cotton Swabs of Dogs, and Cats, and Horses, and Cars, and Buildings, and Fruit, etc etc etc. And then find a good place to identify Bacteria online, or find a good book. Then isolate ones that you can identify that are not dangerous, and let them fill up a Petri dish with Agar of their own; then add them to your Marijuana soil.
You could also try to get your plants to catch diseases, and then keep the survivors. There were a breed of Cow that was different from the parent Breed genetically, but only because it had gotten a virus. Ebola and the Plague both put markers on DNA, as well as HIV and AIDS, there is an entire tribe in Africa with HIV but none of them ever get AIDS, because everyone that could get it did, and died.
There are also various plant steroids that could be applied, as well as Silicate and its activator. But Silicate and the Activator should be used along with other factors.
And you could even mix tons of these together. These are all just various Breeding Possibilities that are not being considered by almost anyone in the Marijuana Industry right now.
1. I let plants die to find the survivors
2. I am using African strains with THCv, which is a result of UVB; meaning it is basically the same exact thing as Melanin (pigment) in human skin. And I am using UVB lights to bring out the THCv.
3. I am using Flavor and Smell Strains.
4. I let leaves touch LED lights and burn, which may activate a response to create stronger, or maybe waxier leaves.
5. I have in the past used a Razor blade to chop a plant in half and let it grow like 2 plants with 1 root system.
6. I top and FIM my plants
7. I supercrop the stalk as it is growing, as well as the branches when they start coming out.
8. I stretch the plants either with just strings tied to the container tied to the tops of the branches to pull them down; or tie them to Bamboo poles.
There is more, but there are a bunch of good examples. And these are things you can do with all plants. There are other things that you could do specifically to get a certain desired trait. For example, many people will baby their plant's pH level, because if it gets too Acidic or Basic it can kill your plants, but if you were to keep growing in Super Acidic or Super Basic Soil, and only bred the ones that survived because the other ones were dead, then you would eventually even up with a strain that can grow in Acidic Soil, and it might even end up making some new Flavors by absorbing Acids.
And the idea of "Absorbing Acids" could add a whole other layer to the Epigenetics of Breeding an Acid Resistant Strain, you could grow a Strain that thrives in only 1 form of Acid, say Mallic Acid, which is what gives Apples their Flavors. And what if it possibly begins to absorb the Mallic Acid and use it to add smell and flavor, the way certain species eat other species for their poison; some eat Sea Urchins, some eat Ants, etc. Just water them with 10% Mallic Acid every time, and keep the survivors, and if too many seem to be surviving, up the %.
And you could also do the same with bugs. There are Ants that live in Acacia Trees; you could start an Ant Farm inside your Marijuana grow containers, and just see what that does over time. You could do the same with Various fungi and plants, for example Wormwood (the Absinthe plant) kills other plants around it, but some plants can grow around it. You could create a strain of Marijuana that can survive in the same container as Wormwood (if it doesn't already), and see if that makes any other genetic changes. Or you could just grow Marijuana with various other plants and find out what happens with each one. Fungus and Bacteria would be good as well.
You could grow Bacteria by getting Petri Dishes and Agar, then getting Cotton Swabs of Dogs, and Cats, and Horses, and Cars, and Buildings, and Fruit, etc etc etc. And then find a good place to identify Bacteria online, or find a good book. Then isolate ones that you can identify that are not dangerous, and let them fill up a Petri dish with Agar of their own; then add them to your Marijuana soil.
You could also try to get your plants to catch diseases, and then keep the survivors. There were a breed of Cow that was different from the parent Breed genetically, but only because it had gotten a virus. Ebola and the Plague both put markers on DNA, as well as HIV and AIDS, there is an entire tribe in Africa with HIV but none of them ever get AIDS, because everyone that could get it did, and died.
There are also various plant steroids that could be applied, as well as Silicate and its activator. But Silicate and the Activator should be used along with other factors.
And you could even mix tons of these together. These are all just various Breeding Possibilities that are not being considered by almost anyone in the Marijuana Industry right now.
Finshaggy
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I am trying to do a pretty targeted breeding, of African Strains X Aromatic Strains X Commercial Strains, and mixing some African Strains and Aromatic Strains back in.
Because Girl Scout Cookies is OG Kush X Durban F1, and Cherry Pie is Durban X Grandaddy Purp. So I am trying to create Flavors by mixing African strains with Flavor strains.