Firearms Freindly Collective?

st0wandgrow

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If the person holding the gun makes a mistake, then the active shooter gets to shoot more people.

Realistically, wouldnt it be better to have a person there who might be able to stop the person, than to have only a gunman shooting at people? When a person has a gun for defense, it becomes extremely difficult for an assailant to aim at peole.

Is it so unreasonable of me to be on the same footing as some attacker?
How many of these "crazed gunman" scenarios have you found yourself in over the years? Do you often go to the mall, or Home Depot and have to take out crazy people shooting up the store? I have never once witnessed this, nor do I know of anyone that has witnessed this.

Honestly, I think you're watching too much CSI Miami.
 

mrbungle79

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but it's better to have been prepared for that "csi miami" scenario that didn't happen yet than wish you had carried the day it did
 

st0wandgrow

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but it's better to have been prepared for that "csi miami" scenario that didn't happen yet than wish you had carried the day it did
This is only my opinion, but I think someone that constantly carries loaded, unlocked weapons around stands a better chance of accidentally shooting someone, or having their weapon used against them than they ever would find themselves in a situation where they are there to save the day from the "crazed gunman".

If you look at gun statistics, there are roughly 200-300 justifiable homicides (using a gun) every year in the United States, and 800-900 accidental gun deaths every year. Those numbers suggest that my hunch is correct.
 

mrbungle79

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which is why i am all for more stringent training. an eight hour class in my opinion is not sufficient to allow someone to carry loaded and expect said person to handle certain scenarios in the proper fashion. it's been shown in almost every test that in a stressful dangerous situation that the cpl holder was in fact not only able to stop the gunman in the scenario but in almost evey test the cpl holder was not even able to draw their weapon from their concealed holster without issue. now don't get me wrong, i am a vigilant 2nd amendment supporter but i also am a vigilant supporter of more stringent and involved training
 

st0wandgrow

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which is why i am all for more stringent training. an eight hour class in my opinion is not sufficient to allow someone to carry loaded and expect said person to handle certain scenarios in the proper fashion. it's been shown in almost every test that in a stressful dangerous situation that the cpl holder was in fact not only able to stop the gunman in the scenario but in almost evey test the cpl holder was not even able to draw their weapon from their concealed holster without issue. now don't get me wrong, i am a vigilant 2nd amendment supporter but i also am a vigilant supporter of more stringent and involved training
On that we will agree! I don't want to see peoples rights taken away, but it would be nice to know that the people that are carrying guns are sane individuals that have been trained properly.
 

Bigtacofarmer

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I have a whole new understanding of "gun people" now. I know tons of gun owners, in fact damn near everyone I know has at least one. And a few have a lot. Out of all those people I know there is just a few that have the same gotta have my gun attitude. I don't usually like the personality of those people. I had never really thought to much about it, live and let live, you know. But I'm really scared to think there are people carrying legal weapons that have some sort of mental problem where they can't put them down. I fear for my kids knowing people like that can vote. I fear for anyone involved when whatever chemical imbalance that is finally makes you make the paper. What is it is that has you so scared of the world you can put a gun down to buy weed? Weed for crying out loud. Think about the content of this thread. I suppose some stupid part of my would like only hippies, liberals, tree huggers, and other like minded peaceful individuals to share the herb but that would make me a dick. Like if I wouldn't put down my gun to go into someone elses business and buy weed. If I ever get that way about anything I hope someone notices before I arm myself!
 

Bear Country

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Unclebuck sounds like another bleeding heart liberal who lives in fantasy land and supports a moron like Obama who lies to us and he smiles and loves it. You know the kind who release federal criminals who are illegals and says they promised to come to court lol. I lugh at the stupidity of those who think making gun bans will solve the problem becasue we all know those committin g the crime fill out paper work to legally obtain guns. Hell Obamas right hand man Holder was selling guns to known criminals and acted surprised when they used them to committ murders and crimes. Its ok since Holder investigated his doings and found himself not guilty of the crimes. lol the blind left and the fantasy world they live in.
And so what your saying is that you think that George W Bush and his VP Dick C. were loyal, honest, truthful men who never LIED to the American People....They did right by every American Citizen......thats what you believe???? There is a shit ton of crap that those two fuck sticks pulled under the auspices of Rightousness and Justice.....but people on the right are just as blind to it. I'm not defending OBAMA and the left .....but I'm certainly not ignorant of the shit the last administration pulled. I call it like I see it.....The ones in power move the public like pawns in a chess game....they have the left carrying thier banners and the right doing the same dam thing....puppets...like sheep being let to slaughter.....while all the big shots, REP and DEM together, go play a round of golf....while all the puppets line the streets supporting " Thier Cause " whatever that might be.....and all the while as they carry thier banners they get the big one up the posterior and are completly oblivious to it.

Everyone has an arguement about something.....whether your DEM or REP.....I'm just sick of ALL OF THEM.....THEY ALL LIE....PERIOD!!!!!!
 

Ledhed

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I've said that all my life. There is no real difference between the two, it's all lies. All they care about is their own bank accounts and the public be damned. ALL POLITICIANS SUCK!!!!!
 

Figong

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which is why i am all for more stringent training. an eight hour class in my opinion is not sufficient to allow someone to carry loaded and expect said person to handle certain scenarios in the proper fashion. it's been shown in almost every test that in a stressful dangerous situation that the cpl holder was in fact not only able to stop the gunman in the scenario but in almost evey test the cpl holder was not even able to draw their weapon from their concealed holster without issue. now don't get me wrong, i am a vigilant 2nd amendment supporter but i also am a vigilant supporter of more stringent and involved training
I agree with this, and do not carry condition zero with just 8 hours, I have over 60 hours in, including reflexive and low light shooting, multiple attackers, ballistics through glass, and a few other courses. Quite a few use a retarded holster setup they never practice with either - from half zipped jacket, I can draw from IWB and hit target accurately, and swiftly. I am also at the range every 2 weeks for 2-3 hours, throwing hundreds of rounds down range. It's expensive, but I ensure that when I carry with what many would be considered 'dangerous' conditions, that I am as responsible and safe as I can be - not only for myself, but for any/all other innocents that may be near me.
 

UncleBuck

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Really, a "Firearm Friendly Collective"...?

This must be a joke, for real.

Anyone who thinks guns have ANYTHING to do with Medical Marijuana needs to seriously reconsider their OWN mental health.

I bet your looking for a "Firearm friendly" bank too, right?

Id hate to walk into a bank without my gun, cause you know, banks get robbed by other people with guns sometimes...
i was thinking the same thing.

OP is probably scratching his head, trying to figure out why the people with pounds of bud and thousands of dollars don't want the whole world just strolling in with their assault rifles over their shoulders.

just hilarious, shows the complete lack of reason and common sense within the gun nut community.
 

UncleBuck

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It's for real, no joke. There is nothing wrong with the mental health of those who wish to exercise their rights, which may even extend into their religion too btw.
there is definitely something wrong with people who worship guns as gods. kinda creepy dude.
 

UncleBuck

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The state of michigan does not give it's citizens over to the US government for prosecution, as it agrees that the tenth grants it sovereignty over fed.
LOL!

now y9ou have just disqualified yourself from the conversation by uttering this line of massive and utter stupidity.

sorry, you did it to yourself.
 

UncleBuck

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Unclebuck sounds like another bleeding heart liberal who lives in fantasy land and supports a moron like Obama who lies to us and he smiles and loves it. You know the kind who release federal criminals who are illegals and says they promised to come to court lol. I lugh at the stupidity of those who think making gun bans will solve the problem becasue we all know those committin g the crime fill out paper work to legally obtain guns. Hell Obamas right hand man Holder was selling guns to known criminals and acted surprised when they used them to committ murders and crimes. Its ok since Holder investigated his doings and found himself not guilty of the crimes. lol the blind left and the fantasy world they live in.
oh, hey everyone.*

a flaming racist has shown up to edumucate us all.

he has never heard of commas, space breaks, or paragraphs, but he is absolutely certain, despite all lack of evidence, that obama is a product of affirmative action!

hey retardedfletch, did any of your pre-election predictions pan out for you there, cupcake?

oh well, better luck next time!

ya slithering bag of shit.
 

UncleBuck

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90% of americans support universal background checks.

nearly 80% of americans support a national database to track all gun sales.

63% of americans support limiting magazine sizes.

53% of americans support a ban on semi-automatic weapons.

and even the conservative SCOTUS members have endorsed the constitutionality of measures such as these in their recent heller decision.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57564597/poll-majority-of-americans-back-stricter-gun-laws/

just a reality check for the OP.
 

ProdigalSun

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I have a whole new understanding of "gun people" now. I know tons of gun owners, in fact damn near everyone I know has at least one. And a few have a lot. Out of all those people I know there is just a few that have the same gotta have my gun attitude. I don't usually like the personality of those people. I had never really thought to much about it, live and let live, you know. But I'm really scared to think there are people carrying legal weapons that have some sort of mental problem where they can't put them down. I fear for my kids knowing people like that can vote. I fear for anyone involved when whatever chemical imbalance that is finally makes you make the paper. What is it is that has you so scared of the world you can put a gun down to buy weed? Weed for crying out loud. Think about the content of this thread. I suppose some stupid part of my would like only hippies, liberals, tree huggers, and other like minded peaceful individuals to share the herb but that would make me a dick. Like if I wouldn't put down my gun to go into someone elses business and buy weed. If I ever get that way about anything I hope someone notices before I arm myself!
I can put them down, in certain instances I do, but facts remain, that shootings where people get shot, happen where people are. I could keep my gun on me to buy weed off the street, but not in a collective? That makes no sense.

which is why i am all for more stringent training. an eight hour class in my opinion is not sufficient to allow someone to carry loaded and expect said person to handle certain scenarios in the proper fashion. it's been shown in almost every test that in a stressful dangerous situation that the cpl holder was in fact not only able to stop the gunman in the scenario but in almost evey test the cpl holder was not even able to draw their weapon from their concealed holster without issue. now don't get me wrong, i am a vigilant 2nd amendment supporter but i also am a vigilant supporter of more stringent and involved training
You are on a slippery slope here. "I believe in the second amendment but..." A couple problems here. What if someone like senator frankenstein gets the position of deciding what training is necessary, who trains, and how much it costs? Bad idea.

How many of these "crazed gunman" scenarios have you found yourself in over the years? Do you often go to the mall, or Home Depot and have to take out crazy people shooting up the store? I have never once witnessed this, nor do I know of anyone that has witnessed this.

Honestly, I think you're watching too much CSI Miami.
I dont like TV. I haven't found myself in one, yet. I was, however held hostage at gunpoint while these boys tried to rape my ex girlfreind. That won't happen again. I didnt have a gun yet, I didnt realize that it really is kind of a big deal. I was wrong. As far as needing a gun, I hope I never need one.

This is only my opinion, but I think someone that constantly carries loaded, unlocked weapons around stands a better chance of accidentally shooting someone, or having their weapon used against them than they ever would find themselves in a situation where they are there to save the day from the "crazed gunman".

If you look at gun statistics, there are roughly 200-300 justifiable homicides (using a gun) every year in the United States, and 800-900 accidental gun deaths every year. Those numbers suggest that my hunch is correct.
2.5 million times a year according to federal statistics, guns are used to prevent crime. And no, a persons gun isnt going to be used against the person carrying it. That's so old dude.
 

New Age United

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Gotta go with Prodigal here, there are a bunch of scenarios that the lawful gunowner had prevented crime by having a gun on him, and as far as accidental gun deaths that is just like saying you accidentally fell down the stairs man seriously, how many car accidents are there in a year like 100,000 if not more. I love the Stand Your Ground law and I wish we had this law in Canada, here we have the Excessive Force law, which means you can not use lethal force in your own defense unless lethal force is used against you, and this would be hard to prove so even if lethal force was used against you, you might end up in jail, one thing we do have is The Heat of Passion law and I've never heard of a person going to jail for Murder for more than 7 years, lots of murders but they always get off with Manslaughter, the most a person ever gets for murder here is 7 years, I'm talking like 15 cases of murder and no one has ever gone to jail for more than 7 years, it's sick.
 
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