first DWC what do you guy's think....

legitroller

legitroller

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So here it is the start my forth week in veg and I'm trying to figure out why this plant is so damn small still. As know I switch the nutrient up to general hydroponics flori grow 3 part and there looking weired ever since. Now I'm wondering if the GH feed schedule is to rich and should I use less as in which is on the bottle my water temps are at 69°F room temp rang from 71°F to 75°F now I'm wondering if maybe I need to flush the plant but how would I do a proper flush use plane water and for how long or could I use some bush doctor since I was using Fox Farm nutrient before. Any help is appreciated here are so updated pics.1382862756977.jpg1382862765184.jpg1382862774173.jpg

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gtran

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They are just Indica dominant so it makes sense they would be shorter in veg. Once you switch to flowering then you will the height start to increase more rapidly. I stopped using FF nutes and switched to GH as well. Fox Farm three part is horrible for growing in hydro. I had constant ph issues and over fed plants. As for the feeding schedule......Never follow a feeding schedule to the tee, it is ALWAYS wayy to strong for marijuana plants. A good rule of thumb is to start at a 1/4 strength from what the bottle said and increase from there. Very seldom will you under feed your plants in a hydro system but it is very common to over feed the plants and burn them, once you do that it is also harder to bring them back to normal. Try 1/4 or 1/2 strength and you should see better results.
 
legitroller

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gtran said:
They are just Indica dominant so it makes sense they would be shorter in veg. Once you switch to flowering then you will the height start to increase more rapidly. I stopped using FF nutes and switched to GH as well. Fox Farm three part is horrible for growing in hydro. I had constant ph issues and over fed plants. As for the feeding schedule......Never follow a feeding schedule to the tee, it is ALWAYS wayy to strong for marijuana plants. A good rule of thumb is to start at a 1/4 strength from what the bottle said and increase from there. Very seldom will you under feed your plants in a hydro system but it is very common to over feed the plants and burn them, once you do that it is also harder to bring them back to normal. Try 1/4 or 1/2 strength and you should see better results.
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Alright thanks changing Res today and found this http://growweedeasy.com/sites/growweedeasy.com/files/grow-weed-General-Hydroponics-nutrient-schedule.pdf so I'm going to give that a try.:banghead:

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legitroller

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Hey all so my measurements go as followed 2.5ml=1/2teaspoons 1/2tsp=0.5 so which is the correct way to calculate the per gallon. There's 10gal of water in my Res so how much per gal would I use all together and how do I do the math to get my answer. I'm asking because I'm confused cause 2.5×10=25 1/2×10=5 so which is the correct way if even this right. Facepalm

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MJDeity

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If you are using 2.5 ml per gallon and you have a 10 gallon res then you would use a total of 25ml. BTW I have had great results by using their feeding chart. Check what stage your plants are in to find out what ration of bloom/micro/grow you should be using. Sometimes you will use more bloom than grow and vise versa depending on the stage you are in.

I typically use 3/4 of their recommended measurements. I find it easier to calculate this way..... I have a 20 gallon res and I want to use 3/4 of what they recommend. So instead of trying to calculate what 3/4 of 5ml per gallon is I just use their recommended measurements but instead of mixing for 20 gallons I do it for 15 gallons. 15 gallons being 3/4 of 20 gallons. So now my 20 gallons of water is perfectly measured at 3/4 strength.

So if you want to feed at half, then measure for 5 gallons instead of 10. I hope that makes sense.
 
legallyflying

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Hey troller
Those plants don't look bad but they are defiantly not happy. The lower most leaves often yellow out and die from cloning but the leaves look rather dull and they are a little twisted as well.

I don't think your nutes are too strong (no burning or claw) but it does seem your environment may be too extreme for this stage.

It helps to think of a plant as an engine, an engine that over time, is getting more fuel injectors and cooling power. When plants are young, they have a limited amount of "horsepower" since they lack well developed roots. This means that they have a limited ability to uptake and transport fluids. These fluids both cool the plant and provide nutrients for cell processes. Keep in mind that a plant doesn't "decide" to do anything. It reacts to the environment it is in. Too hot...more transpiration. Lots of light..more transpiration. Strong nutrients...more difficult to absorb water.

I would suspect that your plants are not thriving as the conditions are too extreme. My first guess would be that your humidity is too low. You want around 70 in veg if temps are in upper 70-lower 80. Plants will grow roots faster in a weaker nutrient solution as well.

So how about you post some root pictures and your atmospheric conditions. Bulb and distance would help as well. I know it's tempting to slam the light down on the plants and hit the gas, but in the end, they will be stronger, grow bigger, and yield more if you take it easy on them in early veg
 
legitroller

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legallyflying said:
Hey troller
Those plants don't look bad but they are defiantly not happy. The lower most leaves often yellow out and die from cloning but the leaves look rather dull and they are a little twisted as well.

I don't think your nutes are too strong (no burning or claw) but it does seem your environment may be too extreme for this stage.

It helps to think of a plant as an engine, an engine that over time, is getting more fuel injectors and cooling power. When plants are young, they have a limited amount of "horsepower" since they lack well developed roots. This means that they have a limited ability to uptake and transport fluids. These fluids both cool the plant and provide nutrients for cell processes. Keep in mind that a plant doesn't "decide" to do anything. It reacts to the environment it is in. Too hot...more transpiration. Lots of light..more transpiration. Strong nutrients...more difficult to absorb water.

I would suspect that your plants are not thriving as the conditions are too extreme. My first guess would be that your humidity is too low. You want around 70 in veg if temps are in upper 70-lower 80. Plants will grow roots faster in a weaker nutrient solution as well.

So how about you post some root pictures and your atmospheric conditions. Bulb and distance would help as well. I know it's tempting to slam the light down on the plants and hit the gas, but in the end, they will be stronger, grow bigger, and yield more if you take it easy on them in early veg
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Thanks a million bra this is the the type of post I've been looking for I've never thought of it like that here are some root pics I also think my water is to low cause the roots are just hanging View attachment 2873165 here's a pic of my conditions View attachment 2873167I'm using florescent bulbs at the moment I have a 600W mhl and Hood but because I'm doing 24hr on that would run my electric pretty high here's a pic of how far the lights are from the plant 1382922364719.jpg1382922394087.jpg1382922438825.jpgI think you for all the help from everybody
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legallyflying

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As I suspected, it's too dry. Hang a wet towel in front of a fan or something. You want fluorescent tubes about 1" or 2 from the tops. Their light is really diffuse and rapidly diminishes. Just as an FYI, I do all my pre veg under t5's. Once they get established and are about 1' tall I move them under the MH.

Your water level should be just below the net pot. Hanging roots are fine, you want them to stretch to the water (and many people lower the water level by about half during the latter part of flower but I never noticed a difference). But as a rule, right below the pot until roots hit the water, then lower an 1".

Your PPM should be about 300 given how small they are.

Oh yeah...never "flush" or run tap water unless you have some kind of issue. It's very stressful to plants, it's complicated and I'm tired but changing the concentration gradient rapidly is stressful to them.

...and it never happens in nature.
 
legitroller

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legallyflying said:
As I suspected, it's too dry. Hang a wet towel in front of a fan or something. You want fluorescent tubes about 1" or 2 from the tops. Their light is really diffuse and rapidly diminishes. Just as an FYI, I do all my pre veg under t5's. Once they get established and are about 1' tall I move them under the MH.

Your water level should be just below the net pot. Hanging roots are fine, you want them to stretch to the water (and many people lower the water level by about half during the latter part of flower but I never noticed a difference). But as a rule, right below the pot until roots hit the water, then lower an 1".

Your PPM should be about 300 given how small they are.

Oh yeah...never "flush" or run tap water unless you have some kind of issue. It's very stressful to plants, it's complicated and I'm tired but changing the concentration gradient rapidly is stressful to them.

...and it never happens in nature.
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Thanks a lot for your help I did a Res change and instead of 10gal I did 20gal of water so the water is about 3" from the net pot went back to half strength 2.5ml gro 2.5ml micro 1.5ml bloom that's per gallon no root stimulator PPM'S 463 EC 1.0 water temp 66.4°F let's see what happens and adding more water added more bubbles. Let's see how it goes within the next 3days....


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legallyflying

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Cool. Water should still be higher.
If your not running a sterile agent I would really suggest adding some EWC tea. Plant love that shit and your roots will EXPLODE!

Good luck man
 
legitroller

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legallyflying said:
Cool. Water should still be higher.
If your not running a sterile agent I would really suggest adding some EWC tea. Plant love that shit and your roots will EXPLODE!

Good luck man
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Where do I get EWC tea from never heard of it and I add 3ml of hydrogen peroxide ...thanks again


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legallyflying

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You make EWC tea. It's water, a little molassis, a handful of ancient forest, and a scoop of mycothizal.

Bubble an hour and then add to Rez.

If your not having root issues then stay the course with h2o2 but if you see your roots turning brown or worse..what looks like clear boogers on your roots then immediately!! Flush the whole system and add the tea. !!

The brown slime will rapidly fuck your plants up!!

There is a sticky in the hydro section
 
snutter

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Agreed! He's correct.



legallyflying said:
looks good. I think your water is a tad too cold and your nutes are too strong. I would be running them at 500 max at that size. It depends on your humidity and temps, but that is a pretty hot mix dude. Your making the plants struggle.
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legitroller

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So Hello RIU and to those that have helped me a lot. So to further update everyone and those that have helped I had to destroy the one long root as you see in other pics and replaced the net pot with new hydroton rocks reason being some how they started forming snot on them and at the bottom of the net pot and found a little grey in the root but not much. I noticed that after using FoxFarm kangaroot that's when it started so no more of that crap gonna use dynagrow silica. So I took the plant out and soaked it in half water half hydren peroxide for 10mins soaked airstone in bleach and water pump while running put 1ml per gal of bleach in Res plus nutrient and 3ml of h2o2. I cleaned the Res with pure bleach sterilized everything. Going to pick up some pondzyme today and order sm-90 aquashild and canna cannazym. After applying nutrient and bleach and so forth EC is 1.1 PPM 548 and Ph 5.6 humidity 62% room temp 71°F water temp 65.3°F. Now please give feed back I don't want to destroy her but in all she seems a little happier but could end up vary stressed and die so let's hope for the best but please respond with feed back.

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legallyflying

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Sigh... Isn't it funny how some growers can just predict the future? I asked what sterilizing agent you were using...and then you get slimed.

At any rate...STOP what your doing. You are shocking the living shit out of your plants. If you add sm90 you will sure just about kill them. Trust me, I did the same thing you did when I was running UC. I thought ok, I'm fucking nuke the slime. Bleach, h2o2, and sm90. Well. What I ended up with is plants that basically sat there and didn't grow for two weeks...scrapped them all.

At least now you have a proper welcome to DWC. Some people never get the slime. But once you get it, you will always get it. Why..you just can't sterilize things good enough. Clean your bucket with a green scrubby? The shit can live in the little scratches in the bucket.

Anyways..the course for you is EWC tea dude. I'm telling you, it's the only way. If your plants are not completely fucked, they will bounce back big time. I'll post a pic of some slimmed roots that exploded after the EWC treatment. It's not too much work and it works awesome.

I would love to run sterile and I have tried and tried and tried. Now it's just EWC tea and the plants love it.
 
legitroller

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legallyflying said:
Follow the instructions in the sticky. Dial your nutes waaaay waaaay back as well. Like 100-300 max
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OK will do bro thanks




legallyflying said:
Sigh... Isn't it funny how some growers can just predict the future? I asked what sterilizing agent you were using...and then you get slimed.

At any rate...STOP what your doing. You are shocking the living shit out of your plants. If you add sm90 you will sure just about kill them. Trust me, I did the same thing you did when I was running UC. I thought ok, I'm fucking nuke the slime. Bleach, h2o2, and sm90. Well. What I ended up with is plants that basically sat there and didn't grow for two weeks...scrapped them all.

At least now you have a proper welcome to DWC. Some people never get the slime. But once you get it, you will always get it. Why..you just can't sterilize things good enough. Clean your bucket with a green scrubby? The shit can live in the little scratches in the bucket.

Anyways..the course for you is EWC tea dude. I'm telling you, it's the only way. If your plants are not completely fucked, they will bounce back big time. I'll post a pic of some slimmed roots that exploded after the EWC treatment. It's not too much work and it works awesome.

I would love to run sterile and I have tried and tried and tried. Now it's just EWC tea and the plants love it.
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I'll be making some vary vary soon is there a recipe for it you let me know what I needed now I will get it and and brew away



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legallyflying

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You need a little container of great white, some molassis (the tub of botanicare molassis is actually really fucking cheap, and you need a bag of ancient forest soil amendment. Your looking at about $60 total I think. You could always get a smaller size great white or other myco packet and molassis at the store.

The list above will last you several grows.

Read the sticky to get the recipe dude.
 
legitroller

legitroller

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legallyflying said:
You need a little container of great white, some molassis (the tub of botanicare molassis is actually really fucking cheap, and you need a bag of ancient forest soil amendment. Your looking at about $60 total I think. You could always get a smaller size great white or other myco packet and molassis at the store.

The list above will last you several grows.

Read the sticky to get the recipe dude.
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OK thanks a million man already read it and ordering and going to the store today


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