k_elliott99
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And I judt clicked tjat link. That would work but the ones in store were half that size. but that will work
First Fatality
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GrowUrOwnDank
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Smart move on the Hempy Buckets. I did a DWC with a GH PowerGrower water farm once. I was successful, but it's a huge pain the ass chasing your PH on a daily basis. I doubt I'll ever do DWC when passive hydro(Hempy) is so easy and user friendly. You can use the same nutes as dro, but you only PH when you feed. I use the every other day feed schedule after the plant is well rooted.Thanks for that 20ml number. I'm not sure what I will do next time but it may not be rockwool for seeds. I germed these seeds and the day they cracked I put them in the cubes and started a continues water system. I won't make that mistake again.
I think I've decided to take "Me" out of the growing equation as much as possible. I think I'm going to plant the remaining cubes in Coco and do hempy buckets rather than full blown watery grave bubbleponics that I obviously I don't know how to do. I updated my other thread this morning with new pics of what survived yesterday along with a major rant.
Thanks for weighing in.
I also use Pargro Quick Drain cubes and have never had any problems germinating. After they break out of the cube I just put them in a Hempy style solo cup filled with perlite then add a few ml of plain tap water every now and then to keep the cube moist.
I also use the Lucas Formula which makes it even easier to be succesful.
Hydro really isn't that hard to figure out really. It's just why put all that extra time, waste more dollars and unnecessary effort into it?
k_elliott99
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Feel free to private message me and ill tell ya from germination through flower and ill tell u exactly what u need to do if u want man! If not good luck
Earlyriser76
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Uh huh. It's a hassle for me because my tent is in my bedroom over carpet. I'm having to move 10 gallons of water across the house.
I think I also screwed up the PH. Yesterday I gave up on my PH meter and bought some GH drops. I make it up until it's urine yellow and go with it. All that PHing 5.6 to 5.8 crap is too much hassle.
I'v e got this wild ass hempy design idea over in my other thread. As usual I try to over complicate things.
I saw some self watering pots at the dollar store yesterday. They were 1 dollar had them in 2-3-4 gallon and I could walk out and get everything I need. I have the rest.
One other thing where I messed up was using good seeds. I should have used bag weed on my first attempt not expensive exotic seeds.
The growing of seedlings killed me. K_elliot told me where I went wrong so I don't think I will have as much of an issue next time. My germ rates were 100%. All seeds cracked. It[s was that next part that killed them. So now I'm armed with the how to grow a seedling knowledge, all I need to do next is plant them.
I also have 70% humidity year around and temps up to the 90's in my house in a closed tent. The less water the better for more than one reason.
Earlyriser76
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I was going to ask you about PM. Thanks.
k_elliott99
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No issue im working now but ill reply on break here in a bit man!
Earlyriser76
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Yeah well, I have all types of nutes. Good thing I didn't get to use them, that might have been another disaster.
I have Botanicare, some humbolt, some others too. The plan was to use the standard feeding schedule of Botanicare, but I never got that far.
My plan orginally was this:
Sprout/Seedling (about 1-2 weeks from sprout) - Nothing
Clones - 5ml PBPB per gal
Young Plant - 10ml PBPB per gal
Mature Plant - 15ml PBPB per gal
Flowering Plant - 15ml PBPB/5ml CalMag per gal until flush
Then that turned into this for the DWC.
Water changes weekly - PH - 5.5 to 5.8.
Week 1 - 2ml per gal Karma, 2ml cal mag
Week 2 - 2ml per gal Karma, , 2ml cal mag
Week 3 - 10ml PBPB, 2ml hydroplex, 5ml Karma, 5ml cal mag
week 4 - 10ml PBPB, 3ml hydro, 5ml Karma, 5ml cal mag
week 5 - 15ml PBPB, 4ml hydro, 5ml Karma, 5ml cal mag
week 6 - 15ml PBPB, 4ml hydro, 5ml Karma, 3ml cal mag
week 7 - 15ml PBPB, 2ml hydro, 5ml Karma, 3ml cal mag
week 8 - 15ml PBPB, 3ml hydro, 5ml Karma, 3ml cal mag
week 9 - 0ml PBPB, 0ml hydro, 0ml Karma , 0ml cal mag
Here are some of the advantages of hempy/soiless over Bubbleponics.
#1. I can monitor the moisture. I have a soil moisture meter that works very well.
# 2. I can plant from seedling to HP and bypass rockwool
#3. I own it. I have a large bag of pro-mix HP and perlite
#4. no res temp /ph issues. I make up my water when I need to water.
#5. I can grow more plants in the same amount of space + more room for lights
#6. Less electricity cost
#7. No timer needed
#8. Less hassle with water tubs and buckets
#9. Less noise in the grow room
#10. Less water around electricity
At one time I was looking at building a drain and fill. What was ...I thinking?
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GrowUrOwnDank
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I have used everything from GH 3 part Flora series to the 7 or 8 part Recipe for Success to Moracle Grow fert in soil and lots of other stuff like Superthrive.
Now I just use the Lucas Formula with Maxibloom powder nutes and CalMag, in regular old tap water. I have to add some PH up to it and shoot for 5.8.
Last count I have 15 bottles of different Nutes and additives. I have been mixing this stuff up and feeding the trees outdoors just to get rid of all the bottles. Hard to just toss them out considering all the money I spent on them.
Anyway, I guess it depends on what your goals are in your grow. I only grow 1 or 2 plants for personal use so I am not looking for huge plants and monster yields. A 3 gallon pot is plenty big since I am going to flower only a couple of weeks in. So just going with small plants I don't need to use as much electricity for lights.
Small plants, small pot, use less nutes, less electricity water every other day.
Now if your growing for a dispensary I am sure you would use a larger set up. But, I still think Hempy would be the way to go, just use larger pots, more light and veg longer.
Anyway, if I wanted to make my methods unnecessarily complicated like dro, I believe I would give organics a shot.
You are totally right about using all that water. My res on te Power Grower was maybe 4 gallons and I used to take a 5 gallon water bottle to the grocery store at least once a week to get filtered water. Then you got PH and top it off every day. And I did a res change every week. Blah blah blah. If you just want to grow some really good smoke. You can't hardly mess up Hempy and Lucas Formula with good genes.
You just overwatered those cubes man. The cubes work great for germing and I have never had a fatality. To each his own tho.
k_elliott99
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I agree growyourown but I never grew a tomato plant right and my buddy does dwc for his personal and he got me started and I swear there isnt anything easier! And earlyriser76 I sent ya about 76 messages lol check it out in ur conversations! We can discuss it more over there! Just have faith!
GrowUrOwnDank
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I think it's a personal choice. Some folks wanna be all mad scientists mixing up a zillion chems and fuck with their PH all the time(DWC). It's like a part of the hobby that makes them enjoy it. Others wanna be all mad nature boy and do their organics and mix their own soil. It's all good. I respect all that.
I'm just kinda not into all that extra work and hassle. Plus, with the Hempy and Lucas formula is just so easy to be succesful. You may not get the best yields, but most of us with smaller lights and set ups aren't really set up for all that anyway.
I kind of just try to relate the experience I have had with the newer growers. That way at least if they use the methods I mention chances are good they will be successful. Down the road they will figure out how much time and effort they wanna put into a grow and dial in their own methods.
My first grow was MG soil and Ferts an auto from Dinafem and 230 actual watts of CFL. It is still one of the best grows ever. I have grown soil a couple more times and DWC/drip only once. They've all been successful. But with Hempy, it's just like so easy and carefree. And unless you do something stupid or careless, you will have some measure of success with quality beans.
Best advice to a newb would be study Hempy, Lucas Formula, get some good and easy to grow autos from a Dinafem or Sweet seeds and pick a light? I've used CFL, LED, HID and even induction. I'll stick with a very small 150 HPS and an LED that pulls about 110 watts. Also, newbs should start out with a couple of good autos at most. Not 19 jillion plants.
It's all good bro. Not hating on the DWC just relating my own choice among the options.
Earlyriser76
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True, since that time I've become a rock wool expert.
I did so many things wrong I'm surprised they didn't do worse. A few of them are still alive although small. I did so many things wrong you would laugh at how wrong. About the only thing I didn't do is leave out the seed.
First, I didn't PH soak my rockwool. I just wet them in what I thought was PHed water. Strike 1
I then squeezed out the excess compacting the rockwool. Strike two.
I put the seed in the whole, punch it down, put it in a net cup and proceeded to move as much water as I could over the rockwool. Strike 3
When one fell over, I pulled them all and let them dry out until they all wilted. One died of no water. Strike 4
All this was going on with a 150W HPS at only 7" above them and a heavy duty fan trying to bend over their stems. Strike 5 and 6.
Shit man, I was growin' weed and 20 hours a day of light still wasn't fast enough. Strive 7.
Hell after all that, I'm surprised the rock wool survived!
whats the longest you wait.... i get eager and do it to soon.... shell is a lot easier to get off then the little membrane sometimesd!
Earlyriser76
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No kidding, I just want some personal stash and keep me from hanging out in the Ghetto scoring bud. I have a job.
Here are my cubes as of today.
I have nothing to loose so I'm thinking I'll put a top on this and put it in the dark.
Are these more bad ideas?
firsttimeARE
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No set time. If thenplant doesnt shed it on its own i the casing is loose enough. Ive ripped cotyledons off trying to force it off. Water may help to loosen.
Im goibg to try again on the seeds i planted two days ago. Yesterday they wouldnt budge. Got one off succeasfully.
GrowUrOwnDank
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LOL. Seeds don't need light. Leaves do. You're over thinking it
As the plant matures so do the seasons from the rains to the summer solstice, into the fall when it's time to harvest.
Same with gardening. The plant only needs what it needs and can handle you can't force it.
Build your grow to your expectations. Small consumable plants don't need a lot.
Commercial is a whole different story and that's not my game.
You've still got what you need to go forward. Think less and I think you will reach your goal.
Good luck bro. Read up a little about gardening.
Earlyriser76
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I am a small consumable plant. I own the most efficient vaporizer on the planet and don't vape that much on top of it. Literally 1/10th of a gram of bag weed keeps me frosty enough all day. My last 3 oz purchase, lasted me a year.
That usage doesn't warrant all that I have gone through here in terms of cost or effort. Thanks for pointing that out.
k_elliott99
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Great reply gowuourown Itotally agree I was just taught dwc
Earlyriser76
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So, K_elliott? What should I do with these plants?
Put them in promix-hp now or put them in the dark and see if I can grow roots?
Put them in promix-hp now or put them in the dark and see if I can grow roots?
