First grow - bag seed x8 - CFL - 4x4x4 cab or 3x3x3

guys thanks SO much for all the advice. i really appreciate it!

matt, never would take that the wrong way man, your absolutely right! definitely not hating on the bag beans i got...they came from pretty great stock actually...and i do have another 70 to play with...lol.

thegersman, def hear ya about flowering, kinda what i figured. definitely the type of info i was looking for. the cab was originally meant to be pretty stealthy, but that wasn't the main concern. didn't realize it at the time but the cab won't be warm enough to use until spring, even if i get insulation, i think...

anyways, matt, I'm not necessarily in a huge rush or anything. i mean, yes of course i would love to have some healthy lush plants but i literally have 70 beans to play with, and i essentially am just trying to learn as much as possible...just because i like to! i don't NEED to do any of this, my guy is good on the reg, and granted it would be nice not to pay, but I'm literally doing this just for fun. i mean i guess its become more than JUST for fun, spent a decent amount on this cab so far, but I'm not worried! WORST case ill build another small indoor cab just for the winter...using some parts (like lights etc) from the big cab til its warm enough. which is kinda defeating the purpose of INDOOR growing lol but hey, all good!

matt, ur plants look AWESOME! it even LOOKS like i did something right, is your cab a very similar setup? i see the 23 or 26 watt cfls and painted plywood so...lol...cool!

so whats an ideal humidity guys? and what i MAY do at this point is let this lil experiment continue, even if it takes all winter for these lil runts to veg, then flower them inside when i get ANOTHER (frigging) cab built. hell might as well right?

i have germinated more beans, did a couple double or triple beans in the cups, two cups total, two beans had ACTUALLY sprouted and gave them the center position in the cup, put the ones that didn't pop after 3 days in with them, they may or may not pop at some point. if they do, cool! maybe transplant them to their own cup when, well transplanting...

guna have to build a new super stealth cab soon is what it sounds like...i haven't checked on the babies yet, but last time i saw them it was 77 degrees fahrenheit and 16 percent humidity. they ARE still growing, probably not very quickly or anything, but hey!

they DO need nutes soon...we shall see what turns out. i will keep everyone posted. thanks again for stopping by and taking the time to help out a noob guys! i really do appreciate it.

what the heck is happening to your babies, they are turning yellow/ good luck. when I did my first grow I started out with 7 plants and ended up with 1. Ive made it all the way and now in 3 weeks of flower.
got 7 more seedlings planted now... maybe round 2 will be better for me.

hey man, yeah i used the same 1/2 inch OSB plywood from the home depot and painted it white, i also utilized a extra dresser that was kicking around, i have my entire grow in my sig with extremely frequent updates if you want to check it out would love to have ya

i am actually on my 3rd cab now for this grow and i think i have found the one!!! my setup is indoors so i dont have a heat issue.

is your cab sealed? if so set your fans up on a timer to only exchange air after a certain temp? them CFL will put out some heat but if your contantly pushing cool air through then they dont have a chance. if you set the fans up on a thermostat it will only kick them on at say 78+ degrees.

ideal temps for Mj are 70-80 (baisicly) people will dissagree but well fuk em, cant always be 100% perfect. if you rig a thermostat i would say set it to 78.

humidity for veg is around 60-70% again people will want to give you a exact and i say same thing....fuk em no pun intended guys

anyways hit up my grow man and see the many mistakes i have made along the way and learn from them thats what its all about, learning from someone elses mistakes and also making your own along the way.

best of luck man and ill be around, i like to chat so you will hear from me again

hey ML75 yeah they aren't doing the best, but they look better than they do in the last round of pics. had an extreme bulb burn scenario goin on at first, plus the stretching which i have yet to rectify...anyway your totally right, round two will always b better, thats how we learn! i will def b by to check ur grow out. send me a link!

matt...lol thats awesome man, yeah I'm thinking of doing the same thing as far as if i make another cab. i did just confer with a buddy of mine who is an electrical engineer/smart person...we went to home depot exploring. found a couple things that will probably make winter almost outdoor cabinets possible...we shall see.

idea #1 - using a small patio of bricks lain down on the floor to act as part insulator, part heat stone (think pizza stone). the cab will take longer to heat up which is a major plus, and will release heat long into the night cycle...coupled with

idea #2 - insulating the inside with styrofoam sheathing...this has one reflective side that is like mylar, and doesn't create the convex dimples that focus light causing burn spots...its like completely flat. i will do all the inside walls like this, with the bricks on top of the insulation on the floor...

what u think guys?

also, how can i humidify more efficiently?

matt i have made it thru the first few pages of ur grow, and as long as you keep reciprocating i will power thru the rest and ride along wit ya! i enjoy having fellow growers with experience to use as a sounding board...

hope to hear from yalls soon!

first thing i want to say is dimples in reflective material wont burn your plants. its all hype. if you dont believe me do some real research and look for actual studies on the matter instead of just forum jibberish.

i used some of the same foam stuff, i actually made a cab out of just the foam but it was too weak to be sturdy enough to hold together so it got scraped.

i like the heatstone idea and maybe even toss one of them reptile heating stones in the mix to keep them warm throught the night.

if you do go that route i think just a couple trays of water on the hot rocks will increase the humidity otherwise a light misting occasionally will help.

yeah i was kinda wondering about that...seemed kinda bunk. anyway transplanted everyone today. that was fun. lol. had to clean a whole lot of rocks for drainage for the bottom of the pots...

definitely still thinking about using the insulation and heatstone idea. i like the idea of the heated pad as well...if in the end none of the other methods work. im excited to see how well this cab works in the spring/summer...lol. whole different story. oh will im still learning and having fun.

so i picked up my veg nutes today. it is a 30 10 10 formula that you mix a teaspon per 2 quarts of water for indoor plants every TWO weeks! how the hell am i supposed to translate that? DEFINITELY need some suggestions, want to feed tomorrow in their morning, which is at 3 ish. im definitely considering using the make it rain method; feeding them with that concentration every third watering. any suggestions there?

pic update in the mean time...

radeonDEUS said:

so i picked up my veg nutes today. it is a 30 10 10 formula that you mix a teaspon per 2 quarts of water for indoor plants every TWO weeks! how the hell am i supposed to translate that?

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What line of nutes are you using. Give the name of the product and it should be easy to find directions.

hope u mean easy to find directions for me, cause the instructions on the package are what you quoted me above...lol.

ok. here goes...its miracle grow. NOW WAIT, it was the ONLY 30 10 10 i could find at ANY of the local stores including walmart, home depot, agway, etc. anyway its Miracle Grow Miracid. Its meant for orchids and other acid loving plants, which, apparently includes cannabis at the veg stage at least.

i was thinking, i have 6 plants at the moment with i think they're 1 and a half gallon pots. supposedly you're supposed to water the amount of volume that your pot holds, so about 6 gallons per watering. i water every 3 or so days so what i was thinking was i would make approx. 6 gallons. of the recommended concentration for feeding indoors every 2 weeks, and feed that to them every 2 weeks! lol this translates roughly into every third watering. anyone see a problem with this? my babies are starting to show deficiency because the soil i use has absolutely no nutrients, called pro mix. its sphagnum, peat, and pearlite. anyway...

hoping to head to home depot soon to get a layer of bricks for the floor for a heat stone and getting insulation. either way, if i monitor somewhat closely, keep the doors open when in day, cap the input/outputs at night, I'm keeping around 40 percent humidity and 80F max 50F min with NO insulation...so...yeah...

i personally think your plants are starving to death. THE REASON i think this is you said earlier you used a soiless no nutrient medium.

like i said give them about 1/4 of a T spoon to 1 gal of water and give them a light feed, such a low dose will not hurt them and it will tell you if they are starving or not.

if you used soil with nutrients in it that are "time released" they release when you water and you may have burnt them but your plants dont look burnt they look hungry or something....i dunno

radeonDEUS said:

hope u mean easy to find directions for me, cause the instructions on the package are what you quoted me above...lol.

ok. here goes...its miracle grow. NOW WAIT, it was the ONLY 30 10 10 i could find at ANY of the local stores including walmart, home depot, agway, etc. anyway its Miracle Grow Miracid. Its meant for orchids and other acid loving plants, which, apparently includes cannabis at the veg stage at least.

i was thinking, i have 6 plants at the moment with i think they're 1 and a half gallon pots. supposedly you're supposed to water the amount of volume that your pot holds, so about 6 gallons per watering. i water every 3 or so days so what i was thinking was i would make approx. 6 gallons. of the recommended concentration for feeding indoors every 2 weeks, and feed that to them every 2 weeks! lol this translates roughly into every third watering. anyone see a problem with this? my babies are starting to show deficiency because the soil i use has absolutely no nutrients, called pro mix. its sphagnum, peat, and pearlite. anyway...

hoping to head to home depot soon to get a layer of bricks for the floor for a heat stone and getting insulation. either way, if i monitor somewhat closely, keep the doors open when in day, cap the input/outputs at night, I'm keeping around 40 percent humidity and 80F max 50F min with NO insulation...so...yeah...

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ok BAD idea man, 30-10-10 is a fukton of nitrogen and nitrogen is what burns plants, they are way too small right now for a full dose.

I use MG as well. the package comes with a 2 sided spoon, you should use the side with the smaller spoon on it and only fill it up about 1/4-1/2 per gallon of water.

you always want to start off as small as you can and work your way up, Mj will use lots of N BUT not in the early stages of life as they are way too small to process all of them chemicals (MG is a chemical fertilizer) if they take well to the epicly small dose, move it up a bit next watering but you definatly want to start small.

nute burn is one of the most common problems new growers have because they think more is better and it is NOT, your plants will tell you when you need more

wow noman, just read thru ur sig threads/journals. I'm awed. thank you so much for spending the time to even look at my thread lol. would love to get some input if you've read the last few pages of this thread...

yeah matt def they are both starving AND were initially burnt. they got burnt when i first put them in the cab cause the lights were real close and they stretched like mad and probably had no roots...NOW they're starving cause i haven't fed them.

so what you're saying is, use a quarter of the half-teaspoon end of the scoop that came with the MG per gallon? so if I'm getting this correctly, use two full scoops of the smaller side for 8 gallons? also, i transplanted yesterday, and watered pretty thoroughly. i know its bad to overwater, but I'm wondering if its worse to keep them without food for another couple days? should i feed immediately? thanks a ton matt, you really are helping a noob big time! +rep

i would feed them asap and yeah about 2 of the smaller side for 8 gallons would be 1/8 strength for a houshold plant. i know this doesnt seem like alot of food but its just to get them going and then you can increase that dosage.

probally even be safe to do 2 scoops per 6 gallons thats up to you.

personally where you just watered i would just mix up 1 gal at that strenth and divide it up between them all, otherwise its just going to run out the bottom and be wasted. on a normal baisis you want runoff but right now you just want to feed and where you havent introduced any fertilizers yet you dont need to have runoff as the main purpose of watering till 10-20% runoff is sort of a mini flush and there is nothing to flush at this point

post some pics up soon wanna see how they are looking, im actually kinda surprised that those CFL burnt your plants

my pics really arent thaqt great but i had my CFL pretty dam close to my plants.

tho my plants got burned im pretty posotive it was nutrient burn from pre treated perilite/peatmoss and not heat burn but it could have been

totally appreciate the input man. really helpn me out. i am about to mix up a gallon and then its the first feeding time! I'm excited. I'm hoping my babies will perk right up. they should what with the chalet that i have created for them. i can't lie, I'm impressed with myself lol. this first grow isn't going exceptionally well from a growing aspect, but the cab i built is TITS. pics to follow feeding.

looking forward to more post from this one

hey man gotta start somewhere. my first gorw wich was summer of 2011 i tossed 4 beans in them jiffy peat pots and left em outside, soon i needed to transplant them, soon i needed to transplant them again. got 6 Oz out of the deal, could have been around 8Oz but had to cut 2-4 weeks early due to bud rot from the weather being so wet in september. i went outside to stare at them at least 4-5 times a day and had issues like rootbound and over feeding (i actually dumped straight MG concentrate on them LOL)

Matthebrute, I have the same old school humidity dial next to a digital one in my tent. LOL

thegersman said:

Matthebrute, I have the same old school humidity dial next to a digital one in my tent. LOL

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how accurate is it? im gonna invest in a 7$ humidity/temp digital gauge

i got that 7 dollar one from walmart. works fine. nothing to gauge it against, but it seems pretty accurate. it doesnt remember the low over a 24hr period, not quite sure exactly how long it DOES remember, but its fairly responsive, i.e. changes rapidly when i open the doors to the cab. SO. here are the pics. dont mind my cat buddha. hes the man. lol...