First grow frustration

I cant remember if you use calmag or not, but if you R/O add calmag, if you dont and use normal tap water you dont need it.

It looks like the beginning of a Calcium/Magnesium deficiency. Or, it could be the lights are too close. Plants are mostly water, so if the lights are too close and "bake" the plant, the moisture goes away and you get wrinkes. A wet t-shirt has nice perky titties, but when half of the water drains off the shirt, the shirt gets all wrinkly. Same thing really (but in this case, the titties UNDER the shirt are fine! ).

Most people measure the temperature in their rooms poorly, but putting a thermometer on a wall. Keep it hanging from the side of your light by a string at the same height your plant is to the light. Or, hold your hand above the plant. Does it feel warm on your hand? If so, move the light UP.

So that's all I got, lights higher (6" ought to do) or calmag!

Keep us posted if it gets worse too for sure, if it does get worse, dont freak out, as worse is easier to diagnose than what you have now.

Thanks Kitty! My Sentinel temperature sensor is right next to the plant tops under the lights. My exhaust fan starts blowing out hot air and sucking in cool air once the temp reaches 74.5* under the lights. My room temp is several degrees cooler. I actually have 3 thermometers, 2 under the lights and one in the room. I'll duck out of work early today to pick up some Cal/Mag and keep my fingers crossed.

Sounds good man....... The Cal Mag should fix the problem, but remember, look for NEW growth to be perfect -- the old growth will always look a little off because of the problem. At this young, it wont impact your harvest whatsoever. The plants look perfectly happy and healthy past that, so despite you being a 'noob' as you call yourself, you got it goin on and are well on the right track.

I recommend kicking your PPM up to 500-600 by going with week 2 veg nutrients. Your plants are the right height already, you should have been giving them full strength nutrients when they started on their second or third node of leaves (Or around 3 inches tall). It isnt bad to feed them less, but they will grow faster with more and they are ready for it!

Good luck man............

Yes Rk has a good point. If it gets worse it'll be easier to diagnose you'll just have to react quicker...


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Picked up the Cal/Mag and put it in tonight. Hopefully they'll perk up. Friday/Saturday I want to change my res and bump up my nutrients a tad.

Plants are looking great, thanks everyone!

I do have a stupid question though. Why do my leaves start out all buff and proud in the mornings but then by the end of the light cycle are all droopy? Is this just the way they are?

BiteSizeFreak said:

Plants are looking great, thanks everyone!

I do have a stupid question though. Why do my leaves start out all buff and proud in the mornings but then by the end of the light cycle are all droopy? Is this just the way they are?

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Yep.........................

Poor girls get all tuckered out after a long day of growing lol

Mine look droopier in the morning and perkier later in the evening. *shrug*, never really thought about that

Hey Kitty, you mentioned that I should have already been giving them full strength nutrients. I posted 3 threads in 3 different places asking people at what intervals to bump up the nutrients and no one could/would answer me. I know that during the first 1-2 weeks to just use water and then start at 1/4 or 1/2 strength nutrients but what about after that?

As always, THANKS!!!

When you FIRST notice them rooting, wait about 3 days. Then start feeding 1/2 strength nutrients for a day or three, and then right to week 1 veg full strength.

When you baby them so slowly, they grow slower because they have no nutrients. This is for hydroponics though, if this is soil which I cant remember disregard everything I say, I dont know dick about soil

researchkitty said:

When you FIRST notice them rooting, wait about 3 days. Then start feeding 1/2 strength nutrients for a day or three, and then right to week 1 veg full strength.

When you baby them so slowly, they grow slower because they have no nutrients. This is for hydroponics though, if this is soil which I cant remember disregard everything I say, I dont know dick about soil

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Yes, that sounds like a reasonable way to start off the roots, even for soil.

You can't just throw the roots into the soil. Well, you can, but they might get squished.

Rad with the Hobbyist pack, though you're supposed to add Voodoo Juice and Overdrive too. Unless I missed the post where that was listed. Maybe that's the issue.

Overall though, it sounds like everyone's been giving great advice here, so I'm not sure what else I could add.

Hey SensiB,

The Kitty's method sounds pretty solid. I personally start at 2/3 strength during the first true week of vegging. you have to factor in the point that AN nutes are supposedly pretty concentrated. One thing i can vouch for is it's easy as hell to burn your plants in 1 week if your not careful, but that's probably the case with any nute line. After the week is over you can pretty much tell if you have a plant that wont be able to handle full strength. But Week 2 onwards it's full 100%

Anyway after my week of 2/3 with SENSI A&B Grow, B-52, & Rootjuice. Overdrive is supposed to be used during the final weeks of flowering. Maybe you mean piranha??

** Don't forget you don't need to adjust pH if you are using the entire line. **



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I should change my name to "Imadumbfuk" or something. So I have this plant that is a monster grower, towering above all others. It's been growing a couple inches a day. Well it got a bit too close to the light and the leaves are all funky spotty and dry looking like the first pic on page 1. *face palm* So while I'm sure Cal/Mag was part of the problem the other part was even with glass my lights were still too close. Learning sucks lol. Wish it was like The Matrix where you could just download a file and know everything about a subject. In the mean time I'll continue with the trial and error then come to RUI for help method.

Usually have to move lights up a few inches each day to combat the growth, yup! If the top of the plant feels warm to your hand by holding it under the light there, then its too hot!

theres always that monster plant that seems to outgrow all others. moving the light away, you will be diminishing the light getting to the others and keeping it close to the light, you are frying the plant with the potential of the biggest buds. i always tie down my big plants, it's very easy to do, just tie some strings around the part of stem where you want to bend it down then pull it toward the direction where it doesnt block too much light from others, then tie to something. if vegetation is too dense for passing a string without damaging branches and leaves, you can add weights on it instead of tying, i use metal wire wrapped around a stone and shaped like a hook. there are some ready made weights for the puropose too, but DIY is a 1minute job

Wednesday I'm starting flowering so yesterday I switched from my 400MH's to my 600HPS's to work out any potential heat issues. Well I've got the heating squared away but since switching to the 600HPS my plants are droopy as hell now. My humidity has dropped because of the extra cooling needed but it's still 45%+.

Switching from Hortilux Blue MH to their Super HPS was a MAJOR color change.

It sure is a difference in light isnt it? Your humidity is fine at 40-60%, so your spot on!

Usually in Hydro droopy means overwatering. Whats your watering schedule like? A pic would help too So watering schedule, ppm & ph would help a lot!

Yeah the light is incredible. My whole room is Mylar'd and so to me it looks like a golden room when I open the door.

Watering schedule is 10AM - 6PM - 2AM for 15 minutes since I'm running 18 hours of light for a few more days. What would you reccomend changing it to when the lights go 9AM - 9PM?

Aside from my lights changing which dropped my humidity a little nothing else in my room has changed so I have just been chalking it up to the lights or something. Could it just be them adjusting to the new light spectrum? My nutrients haven't/won't be changing until Wednesday when I start flowering week 1. Probably just me being an over protective first parent

In your setup, water an hour after the lights come on, and N E V E R when the lights are OFF. The plants dont drink or eat at night, so while it doesnt "hurt" them, it doesnt help them either and just makes them more prone to overwatering.

9am - 9pm flower if you water 3x a day would be 10am, 2pm, 6pm for 15 minutes each cycle. I do a half hour in Flower Room A and fifteen minutes in Flower Room B because of the difference in bucket sizes and how long it takes them to fill. Either way, wont hurt. The biggest thing is the interval being correctly spaced..............

have fun