First Major Op

I'd like to open my room for discussion and feedback. Here is what I'm working with

Strain: AK-47
Veg Ferts: Flora Nova Grow, Hydrozyme, Superthrive applied every water when needed (about every 5 days)
Flower Ferts: Flora Nova Bloom, Hydrozyme, Superthrive, Flora Nectar Grape ( also experimenting with Gen Organics Go Box on cycle 3) applied every 2-3 days with 1 gal/hr drip system
Veg Light: HydroFarm 4 bulb T-5
Flower Light: Plantmax 1000 HPS w/ parabolic (horizontal) on 4' light mover 18" from cola's
Room Size: 10' L x 6' W X 8' H
Medium: Miricle Grow Organic Potting Soil in 1 gal pots (i've switched to coco and perlite now on 4th cycle with 3 gal pots)
Reflection: Panda Sheet (white and black sides)
Air: 4" inline fan out and 6" inline fan pulling fresh outside air in onto cola's
Avg Temp: day - 77
night - 62
Ph: 6.5
Water: Local supply

This is basically everything I can think of. My babies are on a slighty elevated table for drainage reasons. I'm on a 2 week S.O.G. method and 1st cycle of 9 plants are approaching 6 weeks. Im about to throw my 4th cycle in this week with will have the upgraded coco and perlite mix in 3 gal pots.

Here's where I'm looking for feedback:

My first cycle is lacking fat dense cola's like one would expect from AK-47. THC production is beautiful. Also, my plants range from 28" 36" in height. No topping was done so there is the main averaging 8-10" and 6-8 sub cola's averaging 3-5" tall. Can I expect much additional growth when the larger pots are used.

On cycle 3, I decided to remove the sub shoots and focus on one main large cola. I'm hoping this will allow me to obtain the same yield as the 1st cycle but in less space (I want to increase plants from 8 to 12). Does this sound feasable?

With 2 more weeks and 3 days to go, can I expect some addition of density to my cola's? I'll be fert'ing till week 7 and a flush afterwards till harvest.

Im not looking to increase lighting at the moment due to funds nor add CO2 just yet. Is there anything I could do to add density to my cola's? Yes i want a fat harvest but I'm primarly focused on thick buds and not the airy crap that it looks to be headed towards.

This is my first thread and was hesitant to share because i wanted to succeed on my own. I've done outdoors prior and had great success. This is my first major investment that wasnt just a 175 HPS in a small closet. I know the grow community is fucking awesome and I'm sure I'll hear so many ideas and look forward to everyone of them. If there is a way to follow me and want updates and you know how just let me know. I'd love to share.
 

phillipchristian

New Member
Here's my opinion on a couple things...

1. Get away from Miracle Grow. Not nearly porous enough and not designed for marijuana growth. Invest in some decent soil from your local hydro store or order some online.
2. I'd swith the fans around and make the 6" your exhaust. Not sure how you have it set up excactly. Whether you are exhausting the light or just the room.
3. You're pH might be a smidge on the high side. I keep soil nuts and pH at around 6.2
4. If your plants aren't big enough maybe you are not vegging them long enough. Need more info though. Bigger pots mean bigger & more roots which means bigger plants.
5. You're gonna get a fair amount more in growth the last 2 weeks. Where you really are gonna see a difference is in the resin spores (trichromes).

Just my opinion though.
 

hydrosoil78

Active Member
to get fatter and more buds you should transplant right before flowering (really) , maybe try 5 gal buckets , drill drainage holes. I noticed mycorrhizae helps (all purpose happy frog granules) if I sprinkle some on the dirt when I transplant, I use some of that in vegetative too, its a beneficial bacteria that colonizes the roots and should prevent the cal mag deficiency.
 
Thank you, phillipchristian. My first reply. I'll address those and appreciate your feedback.

1. Yeah, my Mircle Grow was a horrible decision that I knew was bad but lacked funds to purchase those $22 bags. That $9 bag brought thousands (literally) of gnats/larve which i just got under control last week down to 50 a week (took 5 weeks) with the help of gnatrol. I'm hoping the coco/perlite mix will do wonders.
2.I use the 6" because i have the duct piped throughout the room and need it for the larger distances. The 4" ducting is a short 2ft in lenght into my attic directly above the room. Its not cooling the lights.
3. I'll see how the feedback from others go on whether 6.2 is high since Jorge is my guide and says 6.5 is optimum for soil. but if enough people agree with 6.2, I'm all for it.
4.my clone is currently 2 weeks and 2 weeks veg. they go into flower room at 10-12" I have decided myself to add an addtional week in veg for a total of three weeks starting cycle 5. My downfall is that I'm out of height at 38".
5. I'm hoping they expand an extra 1/4 in size by week 8. Very few hair have started to turn orange now so I know the end is near. I cant imagine those cola's getting an increase in resin. They are beautiful now and started to pick up a wonderful sweet smell.
 

Elite Nugz

Active Member
I'd like to open my room for discussion and feedback. Here is what I'm working with

Strain: AK-47
Good strain..
Veg Ferts: Flora Nova Grow, Hydrozyme, Superthrive applied every water when needed (about every 5 days)
Flower Ferts: Flora Nova Bloom, Hydrozyme, Superthrive, Flora Nectar Grape ( also experimenting with Gen Organics Go Box on cycle 3) applied every 2-3 days with 1 gal/hr drip system
You have no Bloom Booster here. Get some KoolBloom... you need it.
Veg Light: HydroFarm 4 bulb T-5
Flower Light: Plantmax 1000 HPS w/ parabolic (horizontal) on 4' light mover 18" from cola's
Horizontal mounted are not good, unless your growing trees and have the bulbs on the sides of the plants instead of the tops. Probably the worst reflector you can be using with a light mover is a parabolic. Trade that thing in for an AjustAWing.
Room Size: 10' L x 6' W X 8' H
Medium: Miricle Grow Organic Potting Soil in 1 gal pots (i've switched to coco and perlite now on 4th cycle with 3 gal pots)
Miracle Grow Organic is completely fine..
Reflection: Panda Sheet (white and black sides)
Mylar has better reflectivity, but the black and white poly will do just fine.
Air: 4" inline fan out and 6" inline fan pulling fresh outside air in onto cola's
Reverse these to 6" exhaust, 4" intake
Avg Temp: day - 77
77 is fine, but I would stay close to 80. 85-90 if you had Co2
night - 62
62 is good...
Ph: 6.5
6.5 is perfect for soil. Some people report even better results with cannabis at 6.4. If your in coco, then your PH is way off.
Water: Local supply
Just make sure your water doesnt have too much calcium in it like some tap water is known for. Too much Calcium locks out other nutrients and will give you a bunch of prpblems.

This is basically everything I can think of. My babies are on a slighty elevated table for drainage reasons. I'm on a 2 week S.O.G. method and 1st cycle of 9 plants are approaching 6 weeks. Im about to throw my 4th cycle in this week with will have the upgraded coco and perlite mix in 3 gal pots.
How many plants are in the area your growing, and how much space do you give each plant??

Here's where I'm looking for feedback:

My first cycle is lacking fat dense cola's like one would expect from AK-47. THC production is beautiful. Also, my plants range from 28" 36" in height. No topping was done so there is the main averaging 8-10" and 6-8 sub cola's averaging 3-5" tall. Can I expect much additional growth when the larger pots are used.
28-36" entering or exiting flowering?? What sized pots did you have, compared to now??

On cycle 3, I decided to remove the sub shoots and focus on one main large cola. I'm hoping this will allow me to obtain the same yield as the 1st cycle but in less space (I want to increase plants from 8 to 12). Does this sound feasable?
I dont understand this.... you cut off all your side branches?? If so...Why would you do that? And did you sqeeze the plants in tights to fill in the empty space that your side branches were occupying??

With 2 more weeks and 3 days to go, can I expect some addition of density to my cola's? I'll be fert'ing till week 7 and a flush afterwards till harvest.
You are using one light, with a bad reflector, mounted in the worst possible way, and to top it off, your taking away even more light by using your light mover. If you want denser buds, then your going to need more light. If you cant afford another light, then I say ditch the light mover.

Im not looking to increase lighting at the moment due to funds nor add CO2 just yet. Is there anything I could do to add density to my cola's? Yes i want a fat harvest but I'm primarly focused on thick buds and not the airy crap that it looks to be headed towards.
Your going to continue to get "airy crap" unless you can increase the amount of light you have. Ditch the light mover and you'll get the same exact yield out of a smaller area.

This is my first thread and was hesitant to share because i wanted to succeed on my own.

Dont be stuborn. Learn from other peoples mistakes, instead of your own. The more you share and the more questions you ask, the better you will do. Otherwise it will be a very long learning experience, filled with mistakes that could have been avoided simply by asking someone who has already done it and succeeded.
 
Elite Nugz, Thank you!

1. I assumed Flora Nectar was a bloom booster. Its a molayses and from what i understood that increases blooms
2. Horizontal is side to side not up and down. Even the Adjust-A-Wing is horizontal. I dont understand your feedback here. However, I am upgrading to the adjust-a-wing after the first harvest.
3. Where should i keep the Ph at for the new coco addition?
4. How can i test my calcium content?
5. Each cycle currently has 8-9 plants. There are 4 rows which run lenghtwise with the light mover. The middle two rows have the first 8 plants and the two outer rows have the second 8 plants. the third and forth cycle of 8 plants each, which is smaller and are elevated to obtian the hieght of the mature plants are on each ends. Each plant is space around 1.5 cf to supply lighting to lower branches. a total of 32 plants.
6. The side branches were removed on cycle three as an experiment to focus growth to one main cola. not every branch was removed just the ones that grew until week 1 of flowering. In week 3 I've already added 4-5 un-cut branches and know more will be produced in the coming weeks. this is just an experiment to focus energy on one main cola. I've been told I can expect as much or more from a single cola which is 32" as my un-cut bushy 36" plant at harvest. yes I'm using every area of the primary light source. they are squeezed in as tight as possible.
7. 36-38" is expected harvest height. They are in 1 gal pots currently but I have upgraded cycle 4 to 3 gal pots. the 3 gal pots are in veg for another few days so that means my first 3 cycles will be in a 1 gal pot.
8. I've never heard anyone say using a light mover is bad. I argued the same things as you about the mover but tens of people and vast amount of books have all said use a light mover if you have one.
9. By harvest of cycle 3, i hope to have three 600 HPS with inline cooling with adjust-a-wing reflector. maybe even CO2.
 
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Pic 1 is a main cola at week 6
Pic 2 is a branch cola at week 6
pic 3 is a different cola at week 6
pic 4 is group shot week 6
pic 5 is cycle 3 at week 2 (side branches removed until week 1 of flowering)
pic 6 is light reflector at 18" from cola's
pic 7 is another group shot at 6 weeks

*sorry for the bad quality. i lack a digital camera.
 

Elite Nugz

Active Member
Elite Nugz, Thank you!

1. I assumed Flora Nectar was a bloom booster. Its a molayses and from what i understood that increases blooms
Nah.. FloraNectar is a Sweetener. It helps to increase the aroma and taste of your weed. The molasses you can really just do without. Molasses is very low on the totem pole of important nutrients. Its main function in my garden is that it helps increase smell and flavor and also feeds my beneficial bacteria. Other then that, I probably wouldnt even use it. You need something thats high in Phosphorus. And some Potassium, with little to no nitrogen. Those are the important things in flowering. Then about on week 4 of flowering, your plants start to really suck down some magnesium. Along with calcium, so a good Calcium Magnesium suppliment like CaMag+ from General Organics would be good. By using the CalMag, you'll prevent your plants from yellowing too early. So add some type of Calcium Magnesium and a bloom booster like Monster Bloom or GH KoolBloom, and you'll help those buds pack on more weight.
2. Horizontal is side to side not up and down. Even the Adjust-A-Wing is horizontal. I dont understand your feedback here. However, I am upgrading to the adjust-a-wing after the first harvest.
So you have a horizontal parabolic hood?? I didnt even know they made those. I figured all parabolics were vertical and you had just made a typo. I see your pic below and it is horizontal. Either way, parabolics are the worst reflectors. You always want your reflectors to have that bumpy, shiny aluminum look. Its been tested time and time again, that stuff has the highest amount of reflectivity.
3. Where should i keep the Ph at for the new coco addition?
The coco is tricky one. It really depends on how much perlite and other stuff that you add to the mix.
4. How can i test my calcium content?
Find a water bill around the house and see if it has a website on it. If it does, go to that website and look for any type of water analysts. If you find it, then just check to see if you have hard water. It should say on there. Or if it gives a PPM of the water and its over 300ppm, then I would consider it hard, and assume that you have too much calcium or other junk in your water, that that could cause some issues. If you've been using tap water for all of this time so far, and had no issues, then you should be good though.
5. Each cycle currently has 8-9 plants. There are 4 rows which run lenghtwise with the light mover. The middle two rows have the first 8 plants and the two outer rows have the second 8 plants. the third and forth cycle of 8 plants each, which is smaller and are elevated to obtian the hieght of the mature plants are on each ends. Each plant is space around 1.5 cf to supply lighting to lower branches. a total of 32 plants.
Well, if your doing Sea of Green (SOG), and your taking off all the side branches, and focusing on just the main cola... then I think you should be squeezing them closer together. If you dont, then your losing valuable light space, that could be spent growing bud, instead of keeping the floor well lit.
6. The side branches were removed on cycle three as an experiment to focus growth to one main cola. not every branch was removed just the ones that grew until week 1 of flowering. In week 3 I've already added 4-5 un-cut branches and know more will be produced in the coming weeks. this is just an experiment to focus energy on one main cola. I've been told I can expect as much or more from a single cola which is 32" as my un-cut bushy 36" plant at harvest. yes I'm using every area of the primary light source. they are squeezed in as tight as possible.
Okay... all of the talk about focusing energy, completely ignore it. I've seen people do some crazy things to their plants and it ridiculous. Just let the plant do its thing and try to get as many tops to the surface as possible. Look into screen of green. Its an easy way to keep plants short and bring all the tops to the surface, where light tensity is at its prime, and you'll get a bunch of fat buds. I'll post some pics of my last scrog at the bottom of this message.
7. 36-38" is expected harvest height. They are in 1 gal pots currently but I have upgraded cycle 4 to 3 gal pots. the 3 gal pots are in veg for another few days so that means my first 3 cycles will be in a 1 gal pot.
Too many inches, cycles and pot sizes for me to understand man. If their finishing at about 3 feet, then you should be using no less then 3 gallons. Your plants have to be root-bound, and that will kill your yield and plant health in a second. I would do 5 gallon, just to be safe.
8. I've never heard anyone say using a light mover is bad. I argued the same things as you about the mover but tens of people and vast amount of books have all said use a light mover if you have one.
LoL. Take my advice or not buddy... its totally up to you. I've done it all though bro.... I used light movers and didnt like them. I tried everything possible to make them work, because I was absolutely convinced that they would benefit my room. No matter what I did, all a light mover did was spread out my yield. So instead of a 4x4 area filled with fat solid dense buds, I had a 4x7 area filled with looser buds, that looked to be the same size, but they didnt have that density. So really all your doing is spreading out your yield. So you can do the same yield, in a smaller area without the light mover. If you dont believe me, test it out for one cycle and see what happens. If you want more weed buddy... you gotta get yourself more light and stop moving yours around making them all loose. Light movers resemble nature, but our little HPS lights are nothing even close to the sun. Since our lights are way to weak, we dont have the luxury of getting to move them back and forth.
9. By harvest of cycle 3, i hope to have three 600 HPS with inline cooling with adjust-a-wing reflector. maybe even CO2.

Check these out... Buds come out solid..!! This is a low producing strain and I pulled over a pound per light. If I run a big producer, then I'd double that amount.

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skiweeds

Active Member
get rid of the miracle grow. get rid of the light mover. i know you dont plan on more light atm but if you really want a 'major op' you're going to need more. especially if you want nice big hard colas. they have bud hardeners like bloombastic by atami which works well. another way to get bigger buds is with a cool tube with sufficient airflow. this way you can place your lighting much closer to your plants without burning. if you inline fan has enough cfms your plants can touch the glass of the hood and not burn. the closer the light the more lumens. more lumens = bigger, denser buds.
 
**************UPDATE****************
just returned from the store and added Floralicious Plus, FloraBlend, and Liquid KoolBloom to the existing flower regiment.
Here's the best news - just bought 3x 600HPS with plantmax bulbs which are inline cooled.

Here's my question: with the existing room dimensions, and eventually turning my SOG into a SCROG, how many plants can i expect to fit into the room (10' L x 6'W x 8' H) and obtain those dense sticky white buds?
*Elite Nugz, you look to have some knowledge on this SCROG method.
 
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