First serious grow! LEC 315 in a 4x4 tent (Philips elite agro CMH)

Ace Yonder

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hahaha, I FORGOT to check on the plants before work, which is amazing considering the fact that I think about them about once every 15 seconds minimum. came home and wow! they're huge! they were also pretty thirsty.


wishing I named this thread "first grow! lec 315, starbud, and others..."

Starbud is kicking ass! the only issue I'm having with her is trying to keep the canopy even. there's at least 8 tops all demanding attention, after the stretch the lower half of the plant is gonna be a menagerie! Midnight kush is also going at a good rate. She was pretty damn tall, so a couple of nights ago I tied her down, she bounced back up immediately, so last night (about 24 hrs before picture was taken) I tied her down again, possibly too far, but she is bouncing back, just a little slowly. Brazil amazonia has surprised me in the last week, really starting to take off, made me glad I tied her down before, I did it again last night in the opposite direction (C shaped main stem) and she's bounced back. lots of side branching on her. fool's gold is blowing up! bigger than querkle and brazil, which both had a 10 day head start. Afghan kush is starting to speed up, Burmese kush is still pretty slow, I wonder if that's because she hasn't been transplanted. querkle is growing, but hasn't shown me much more as far as sex.
I dunno how to feel about the blue kush auto. The way it leans over it's like the main stem is growing from the very side of the pot, so it's shading a lot of midnight kush. I worry that the plant may be stressed by that, and the thought of autoflower hermie pollen floating around my tent really GRINDS MY GEARS. However, it's getting stinky and crystally

How much longer would you guys say I got on that autoflower? I've looked and can't even find anything from dinafem about flowering time, I just emailed them about it, but don't expect much applicable info from them.

wednesday is day 50, if my lights aren't here by then, we're goin' 12/12 anyway
Damn dude, those are some beautiful pink pistils! All your plants look amazing, I am so excited to see that Starbud in bloom! I just found out that Hortilab may be releasing/already released a Sativa dom Starbud Sister, and if that's true then those are some seeds I am gonna have to get my hands on ASAP! Because my only hesitation with starbud is that it's chunky indica buds my be a little mold prone for my wet outdoor climate, so a sativa version, whooo boy. Anyways, enough about that, I'll wrap up by saying again that your plants look fucking great, pardon my french. :bigjoint:
 

borbor

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hey thanks man! It's super exciting hearing from you guys that they're looking good!
I keep seeing things about "starbud's sister," was thinking of maybe ordering a pack of that for the next round, or revegging this fine lady and taking six clones, I guess it all depends on what I see in the next eight weeks! I'm lucky (I guess) to have such low humidity where I am

I notice the autoflower doesn't seem to be getting much better, if anything I'd say possibly worse. Still, she's smelling better and better each day and sizing up a bit more than I expected. When I open the tent now it's an unmistakable cannabis smell thanks to her,
weird, now that I look at the pictures they really don't look the same, Seems like the camera is trying to make those leaves look better than they actually are.

I also noticed just now that at least with my cell phone camera I'm getting those vertical bars on my screen through the camera, but I'm not seeing that in the actual images

this is what they sound like:
 

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GroErr

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oh yeah? my working plan was to raise it every couple of days so it was pretty much always around 20", would it be better just to set it high and let them grow up?
You can go either way, I do it the lazy way, don't like to move them too many times, once is typically enough and even that if I guess the stretch right I may not move them at all. I prefer to let them stretch up towards the light because I bring them in with very tight nodes and bushy (LED's that I veg with tend to do this), having the light a bit higher gets them to stretch a bit more and opens them up a bit.
 

borbor

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the stretch begins! seems like they've all gained at least a couple of inches. raised the light a bit.
Looks like afghan kush is probably a male. that makes brazil amazonia the only other seed in the tent that wasn't feminized and I think I've seen some pistils on her. so that should bring me down to six plants, five when the autoflower is done. Burmese kush is in a 2 gallon, and the size difference I've seen between plants in different sized smart pots is pretty obvious, so I don't really expect a whole lot out of her. not supposed to be the main event anyway :)
 

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borbor

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up up and away!
Here's some group shots:
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And here's a shot of starbud- right next to the label check out my favorite cola! excited to see what three leaves per set does against the other branches on the plant.
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Here's a couple of midnight kush-in the group shots she's in the back right. she seems to love the LED!
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Here's one of burmese kush. she's put on the most "stretch" so far since 12/12, I think
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more coming within the hour, rearranged a little, very happy with it, so I'll grab some more photos
 

borbor

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got brazil amazonia finally free, she's on the right side instead of the left, where I felt she was getting overshadowed by the autoflower, I could never see her or get good pics until now. she's got a nice thick stem from the LST, and lots of side branches. hope she flowers fairly fast under the CMH LED combo, she's listed on seedfinder to flower at 95 days!
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here's a couple of attempts at using my phone's camera to take pics of afghan kush's suspected balls, I'm pretty sure tomorrow I won't need to ask anybody, but can't be too sure!
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Some Blue kush auto buds- the smell is better than I expected. I feel like I've learned as a newb what an autoflower truly was. It's like the challenge mode, lightning round. It's like driving around with no spedometer, headlights, or directions and all the stoplights are broken
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a couple more group shots, I love these ladies.
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borbor

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24 hours later, busted out the other camera to grab some pics of the blue kush auto, packing on trichs, and smell! I finally put my finger on it! It was stupid, The only words I've been able to come up with for the smell are "really good" and "sweet," now it's unmistakable! It's a straight up obvious blueberry smell, I wonder which parent she got that trait from :)

stretching! raised the light a bit more tonight. I've got 17" of space left to raise the light.
If that's not enough space I can take the hooks off of the light and clip the ratchets directly to the light, which would cut off another 3 or 4 inches, The bulb is 22 inches above the highest point on the canopy
 

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Ace Yonder

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Nice man, your Blue Kush Auto is really packin' on the weight! Really makes me wish I had more light on mine haha, you're probably looking at close to 3x the yield I'm gonna pull, maybe more! The smell is really great isn't it? Probably smells the most like fruit and the least like weed of anything I've grown so far. The thing I'm most shocked by is how frosty they are, I had thought that the auto genes would leave it really lacking in the trichome department, but that doesn't seem the be the case at all, I really can't wait for dinafem to formally release it for sale haha
 

borbor

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here's where we're at today, the pic of the bottom of the plant is exactly the plant you'd expect-starbud
some blue kush auto buds too
on all these photos, especially the ones with the nicer camera (file name starts with IMG instead of IMAG) remember, they get bigger if you hit the arrow next to the X in the top right corner :joint:
 

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borbor

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I just ordered a cheap 1'4" x 1'4" x 3'11" tent and a purple kessil h150 :) I think in a couple weeks I'll have a seed or two started, and order another led, maybe a kessil magenta or another a51 rw-75, depending on funds and a51's stock, to start my veg tent!
I know that size is really just good for one or two plants even in veg, but I'm thinking If I start one and throw it into flower a couple weeks after the auto is done, then I'll have another couple of oz coming my way not long after most of my first ladies are chopped. It'll also make it more worth it to run the tent for brazil amazonia who's supposed to take 90+ days to flower. Then, I can throw another plant in when I chop most of my plants, and have three plants in different stages of flower in that tent, and a plant in veg!

I still have 2 world of seeds Colombian gold and 1 WOS Brazil Amazonia, 3 g13 labs midnight kush, 3 th seeds HOG, and one top tao auto


speaking of HOG, went to my friend's house today, his plants are lookin' great for the most part, I tried to take a picture of his DNA genetics fuego but it just looks like shit with the hps light. it smells awesome and has some of the most dense trich coverage I've ever seen in person, however, we're both guessing he's gonna get an ounce at the most from that plant. the hog seed I gave him, on the other hand, looks like it could give him a qp, but neither of us can even find a trichome! crazy, but not a terrible shocker, the breeder had said fuego was bred strictly for its resin profile, and numerous people online have said that the hog is basically crap unless you get the "hawgsbreath" pheno

at the same time I gave him these seeds (as well as a blimburn grizzly purple kush and g13 white widow, grizzly purple looks good, white widow's having troubles), I gave another friend a querkle, an elemental seeds mango tango, g13 white lavender. and g13 white critical. I've never actually seen his garden, I just don't go to his house much, and when I do his plants are in a seperate room from where we hang out. he' always brings great smoke to match at get-togethers, excited to see what he does with those beans!
 
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borbor

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Ugh, today was like the movie clerks

gave them a good watering just now, they needed it, it's been a while. Still just going off of the biocanna nutes feeding schedule, recently started giving calmag as well, it just has scared me to do so for some reason so far. I was thinking "k.i.s.s." so what they just got was- (dosages in ml per gallon)
8-10 ml bio vega
8 ml bio boost
2 ml bio rhizotonic
4 ml general organics CaMg+

and the autoflower got
12 ml bio flores
8 ml bio boost
2 ml bio rhizotonic
4 ml CaMg+


super excited about the veg tent, but I probably can't just set it up tomorrow when it comes, there's gonna be a couple things to work out with venting and stuff I think. I might throw the kessil in the flower tent for a little bit, as long as it's here and not doing anything else.
once my ambitions run higher I'll have to get a bigger veg tent, for sure, but this will definitely speed up the super boring "are we there yet?" seedling stage,
One of my friends in real life (who grows) said "that's stupid" when I told him I ordered a veg tent. It wasn't about the products, just about where I put my money, as opposed to parts for a new gaming computer since the beast I built 8 years ago died recently. I get that we have fun with that stuff but man, prioritize! The funny part to me is that someone who's been growing for almost a year and a half told me it was stupid that I ordered a veg tent while I was ordering some weed for him through a delivery service in town that likes me. but it sucks that he hasn't set up his veg tent yet!
I loaned him my unused secret jardin dr90 and it's still just sitting there wrapped up waiting to be set up!
I almost feel like I should be an asshole for half a minute and tell him I want/need it back before he's even set it up, to save us both the trouble of taking it down. just sucks I brought it over like 6 weeks ago, he got himself another ballast, hood and bulb,and can't take the two hours to set it all up, and it's still all in the same spot, while I could use an option for a veg tent or a drying tent!


um, "real life" aside, the plants are doing good! The only two reasons I don't have any pictures are that first of all, I wanted to take time off from constant pictures to build up anticipation, so there's gonna be a more noticeable difference between the last pics and the next pics. Could probably be considered petty of me, hahaha.
they're definitely sizing up,though, I've followed a bit of groerr's advice and raised the lights a lot just now
 
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borbor

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Day 60 from seed day 12 of 12/12
even though it's been a while, there's really not much to say for these pics. I like talking about my plants though so it's a long one anyway.
They're all getting bigger by the day, there's a pic of beneath starbud's canopy, a forest.
The blue kush auto seems to be fattening up, while packing on trichs and smell. Does anybody have a recommendation as to when to start flushing? Ace yonder's is about 30 days ahead of mine, so usually I take the fact that it's still alive as a sign that I shouldn't flush for at least a couple of weeks, but also, this plant is under a lot of light in comparison (not knocking him though! looks like amazing quality and probably with better gpw!) and I've heard from groerr about the CMHs finishing a bit faster, just no idea what to expect with the auto (my driving a car analogy from earlier applies here)
preflowers all over the place, I'm so excited for the real flowering to start! I'm noticing more preflowers on the branch with three leaves per node, I've heard before that they yield more, let's hope!
I took out the super small 15 watt circulation fan and let the big oscillating fan get back to work.
The back row is burmese kush, fool's gold, and midnight kush
the front row is the blue kush auto, starbud, and brazil amazonia

Also, veg tent!
surprised at how well the tent is actually made. I've had a little experience with shitty tents, so that's what I expected for the price I paid (especially considering the size, I'm guessing the primary demographic for these tents is probably saying "I'll be the coolest kid in school if I grow weed"), the poles are steel, they actually seem like the same poles as my gorilla tent, wouldn't be surprised if they got them from the same place. In fact, I'd be surprised if they didn't. 4 hanging bars across the top, like a tic tac toe board, which seemed like a lot for a space that small, but cool. I wish I'd kept the querkle male alive, it would totally be in there under 12/12. I realize this tent is too small to be a real veg tent, I can have 4 in solo cups or one in a one-gallon, and I checked, a 5 gallon also fits in there so I can use it to veg just one at a time without worrying about transplanting right at the start of 12/12.
This tent (the growlab 40) would be perfect for anybody looking to keep one small male alive. Next time I see a decent male I'm gonna abandon this tent as a veg tent and make it my male tent while I order a better veg tent, or set up my 3x3 potentially.
I'd say this growlab tent has better plastic connectors than my secret jardin 3x3. The SJ connectors just didn't look this sturdy, though for both companies they are plastic. The light-proofing on this growlab tent is actually something gorilla grow tents could take a lesson from. Not to say that this is more light-proof than my gorilla,I doubt it, but they way that they did the zippers actually is. Freakin' metal zippers! the zipper itself is lightproof also, and what I really like is the flaps, there's a square flap hanging down on the top middle with velcro on the three sides that aren't stitched to the tent, and the same thing on bottom! With my gorilla if the lights are on all I have to do is look at the bottom of the zipper to know they're on, with this growlab tent that doesn't happen, the light leaks pretty much only come from the vents, which is actually a design I usually like as well, the vents are totally removable with velcro on all 4 sides, you put the covers on inside the tent. In a tent this small I dunno if it's gonna be easy to put stuff on and take stuff off the sides, but in my big tent I would actually like that design better.

Nope, growlab isn't paying me any money, I'm just kinda surprised I got a brand new tent this decent for that cheap. My biggest gripe is that the ducting holes are 4" instead of 6", but really, a 4 inch fan is enough for any application from this tent.

the kessil LED is exactly what I expected. can't wait to see it perform on plants! I wish I could throw it in the flower tent now. hooking everything up would just be a pain in the ass, then when I get something to veg it'd be another pain in the ass to take down. I'm kind of debating getting two or three more kessils, the only issue is that I'm not sure of the value, This h15 purple cost me about $90 (priced $97 from growershouse, while they had a 15% off sale on all LEDs), I don't think you can get that $/watt elsewhere for less than $100.
It sounds like an awesome idea to throw two h150 magentas (or purples) into the flowering tent, maybe even an h150 red as well, but at the price of two or three kessils, would it be better just to put it all toward a51? I almost think that the kessils would make a better flower tent in the long run, since the spectrum from magentas or purples next to the spectrum from rw-75s, next to the CMH would be pretty great for plant growth, very full.

I wonder a lot, could I add light that makes it worse? like, HYPOTHETICALLY since I'm not gonna do it no matter what, if I added a MH bulb or blue kessil or something somewhere in there, could it be detrimental to flowering, even though there's more light? Do they care about the spectrum, or does the spectrum just affect them whether they care or not? (if that makes sense)

Also wondering, I keep wanting to raise my lights higher, but will that be detrimental to the autoflower by a significant amount? should I put the kessil just above the auto just to keep it extremely well lit?
 

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borbor

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by the way, in some of the bud pics of the autoflower you might notice some hairs, they're definitely from the dog, the problem isn't as bad as it looks. these pictures probably captured 50% of the loose hairs in the tent, but in any case, not mites, don't worry!
 

borbor

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Not much to post tonight regarding my current plants

Though tomorrow I'm 90% sure I'm getting a clone for the veg tent from craigslist. I know to really check thoroughly for bugs! If I do get it, it'll probably be mob boss. It's between mob boss and pre-98 bubba, and I figured I'm gonna have enough different kinds of kush as it is.

his ad said he's using biocanna nutes, I'm guessing it helps that I am too!
 

GroErr

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Looking great in there borbor, wouldn't worry too much about extra spectrum, imo none of it will hurt but you may not get much return from the kessil as it's more veg spectrum. That said, mixing in the RW-75 spectrum should help with flowering and frost :)
 

borbor

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Indeed I think you're right about the rw 75/cmh helping with flowering and frost, I just opened it up to look at the blue kush auto for a second and I got excited and one thing led to another and I turned her around and turned starbud around and took pics.
when I turned starbud I noticed from that angle she's almost a big sphere! I wouldn't be surprised if half of my yield from these six plants was starbud, she dwarfs the blue kush auto already.

I'm seeing more of what ace was saying earlier about the trichs on the blue kush, I'm very pleased with her. It seems like pistils near the top are starting to turn orange, gonna try to keep an eye out for new pistil growth. I love the smell! makes me want to consider other dinafem blueberry strains!
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Here's a couple of group shots, which are pretty much dominated by starbud, the first is before I rotated starbud, the second is after.
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Here's some prefowers from starbud. It's really hard to get the correct angle, but the first pic is of the branch with 3 leaves per node, excited to see how it grows
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Midnight kush-
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Fool's Gold-gettin' big!
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